Homophobes likely to be closet Gays

  • NYC_BOI

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    Jul 16, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    Homophobic attitudes are more likely to found in individuals who harbour unacknowledged attraction towards the same sex, a series of psychology studies have found.

    The study, which analysed four separate experiments conducted in the US and Germany, provides empirical evidence to suggest that homophobia is in fact the ‘external manifestation of repressed sexual desires they feel towards their own gender’, reports IBT.

    “Individuals who identify as straight but in psychological tests show a strong attraction to the same sex may be threatened by gays and lesbians because homosexuals remind them of similar, unrealised desires they themselves harbour,” Netta Weinstein, a lecturer at the University of Essex and the study’s lead author, explained.

    The sexual orientation of participants was measured by how they reacted to words and images with sexual connotations, during a timed task.

    In many cases these are people who are at war with themselves and they are turning this internal conflict outward,” added co-author Richard Ryan, professor of psychology at the University of Rochester who was involved in the study, in which about 650 university students participated.

    The study – which was conducted by a team from the University of Rochester, the University of Essex and the University of California – also found that subjects who said they were heterosexual – but reported homosexual tendencies during tasks – were more likely to be hostile to gays, who were forced to repress their true emotions because of strict, conservative upbringings.
    The researchers also said that this may why some homophobic public figures have often caught engaging in homosexual acts.

    They highlighted the case of Ted Haggard, the evangelical preacher who opposed gay marriage but was exposed in a gay sex scandal in 2006 and Glenn Murphy, Jr., the former chairman of the Young Republican National Federation and vocal opponent of gay marriage, who was accused of sexually assaulting a 22-year-old man in 2007.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/15/homophobes-likely-to-be-closet-gays-study-finds/

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    Jul 16, 2015 7:43 PM GMT
    I agree. I was actually just thinking how all the guys on RJ who publicly expressed disgust for Caitlyn Jenner are actually trapped in the wrong body. Why else would they have such overreactions to how someone is living their life, especially since the sports world stands behind Caitlyn? I do hope they sort their feelings out, before more people get hurt.
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    Jul 16, 2015 7:48 PM GMT
    It gotten to be a cliche: those with the rabid ant-homosexual agenda......are caught in their deceit.

    Airport bathroom sex, black mail from hustlers, pedophilia, it all comes out in a very unhealthy way from repression.
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    Jul 16, 2015 7:53 PM GMT
    I've known this for years. It's why tend to gravitate toward the "straight" guys who are the most uncomfortable around me at first. Later, after repeated exposure through hanging out, they eventually fool around with me when no one else is around...100% of them. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 16, 2015 7:57 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI've known this for years. It's why tend to gravitate toward the "straight" guys who are the most uncomfortable around me at first. Later, after repeated exposure through hanging out, they eventually fool around with me when no one else is around...100% of them. icon_wink.gif

    I should use that in my drug pushing career.icon_idea.gif
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    Jul 16, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    like what a surprise that is just pure common sense

    Why would a guy who has no attraction to other males would be so interested in gay life? You can see most homophobes go to articles about gays, are interested what they do, especially the sex scenes

    It just makes complete sense, that most homophobes are closeted gays that suppress their inner desires and feel ashamed and it comes out as homophobia
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    Jul 16, 2015 10:40 PM GMT
    Nothing new here.

    That is something I have suspected to be true for many years.
  • NYC_BOI

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    Jul 16, 2015 11:37 PM GMT
    What I don't understand about all of this is um ok like whats the point of closeted LGBT people doing and saying homophobic things??? if you're closeted I understand. Theres a lot of reasons why people stay in the closet whether it's rejection from their family or friends or fear for their safety and stuff. We live in a very homophobic society and Gay people literally just got the right to get married in all 50 states a few weeks ago, you can be fired for being Gay, its legal to murder someone for being Gay in certain countries so yes coming out isn't easy and I understand why tons of people stay in the closet.

    What makes me so fucking mad are these disgusting self hating pastors and stuff who talk about how LGBT people are going to go to hell and stuff and closeted people who say and do homophobic things...I just dont understand it. What's the point of doing that? If you don't want to come out OK but why make life horrible for other LGBT people? I don't know if I should feel bad for self hating homophobes or be mad at them for being pieces of shit. I feel both I guess.
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    Jul 16, 2015 11:43 PM GMT
    NYC_BOI saidWhat I don't understand about all of this is um ok like whats the point of closeted LGBT people doing and saying homophobic things??? if you're closeted I understand. Theres a lot of reasons why people stay in the closet whether it's rejection from their family or friends or fear for their safety and stuff. We live in a very homophobic society and Gay people literally just got the right to get married in all 50 states a few weeks ago, you can be fired for being Gay, its legal to murder someone for being Gay in certain countries so yes coming out isn't easy and I understand why tons of people stay in the closet.

    What makes me so fucking mad are these disgusting self hating pastors and stuff who talk about how LGBT people are going to go to hell and stuff and closeted people who say and do homophobic things...I just dont understand it. What's the point of doing that? If you don't want to come out OK but why make life horrible for other LGBT people? I don't know if I should feel bad for self hating homophobes or be mad at them for being pieces of shit. I feel both I guess.
    It is all these homophobic hypocrites that make much of the U.S. and a large part of the rest of the world a dangerous place for an openly gay man. If we didn't have all these hateful, right wing factions making all this nonsensical noise, we wouldn't be having this conversation today.
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    Jul 17, 2015 1:04 PM GMT
    Some of them for sure.
    But I'm pretty certain more of them are just arseholes. Lashing at anything and anyone not like themselves. Then they can feel a sense of belonging by joining up with other arseholes to hate a minority.

    University students aren't really representative of society as a whole. For example, male homosexuality is 2.5 times as common in university students as in general society.
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    Jul 17, 2015 1:55 PM GMT
    grofte said... University students aren't really representative of society as a whole. For example, male homosexuality is 2.5 times as common in university students as in general society.

    likely not only a university issue:
    younger population is much more accepting.
    older population (my age) is likely never fully out of the closet.

    so you see; stereotypes (gay, old, young, straight...) are useful, for example Trump would probably love to put all gays in concentration camps if it meant getting elected into office
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    Jul 17, 2015 2:18 PM GMT
    So in other words, they didn't find homophobia in heterosexuals? While it makes sense that repression could lead to homophobia, I'd think it more likely that a person's violent reaction to their own homophobia could occur in those who tend towards being gay; not that homophobia itself arises out of being gay, rather that it comes from being uncomfortable with sexuality generally regardless of a person's innate orientation.

    It looks like the reporter didn't even read the study because here's the article of the study cited in the article in the OP's link...

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120406234458.htm
    Homophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies demonstrates...

    ...in the formation of intense and visceral fear of homosexuals, including self-reported homophobic attitudes, discriminatory bias, implicit hostility towards gays, and endorsement of anti-gay policies...

    ...The findings provide new empirical evidence to support the psychoanalytic theory that the fear, anxiety, and aversion that some seemingly heterosexual people hold toward gays and lesbians can grow out of (not that it necessarily or only does grow out of) their own repressed same-sex desires...


    Okay, so that's making more sense than that telephone playing article, that it is "more pronounced" not that this is necessarily from whence it derives--that maybe, more likely, it's the more violent or most virulent cases...

    ...participants who reported themselves to be more heterosexual than their performance on the reaction time task indicated were most likely to react with hostility to gay others, the studies showed...


    ...and I think that distinction important because otherwise it makes us out to be our own worst enemy endemically (which can be the case but) that were we to conquer that, hetero hegemony would suddenly dissipate which I kind of sort of doubt. It'd probably stick around for a least another millennium.

    So while repression might either make more likely or increase the affect, duh!, I remain fairly certain that people are perfectly capable of manifesting homophobia with out being gay, that a person uncomfortable with their own sexuality regardless of their orientation will find any excuse, including religious horseshit, to levy against the gay.
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    Jul 17, 2015 2:26 PM GMT
    theantijock said... So while repression might either make more likely or increase the affect, duh!, I remain fairly certain that people are perfectly capable of manifesting homophobia with out being gay, that a person uncomfortable with their own sexuality regardless of their orientation will find any excuse, including religious horseshit, to levy against the gay.

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    Jul 17, 2015 2:33 PM GMT
    Studies like this are good. Homophobia among closeted gays might be recognized by our own community, but it is not well known by the general public. Nor typically by the homophobes themselves, as a possible indicator they're gay themselves. These studies can help spread that word, and in a more authoritative way than our own subjective allegations can.

    With the result that the credibility of all homophobes begins to be doubted. And no damage could be publicly worse to them than the suspicion that they're really gay themselves. Nor do more to make them tone down their anti-gay rhetoric and other antics. Not necessarily bring those actually gay out of the closet, although a few might do it, but at least help to put a sock in their blathering mouths and lessen their hateful anti-gay legislation.
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    Jul 17, 2015 3:17 PM GMT
    It also brings to light the greater number of us than is typically reported in any various polling, which coincides nicely with this study of gay population percentages.

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w19508
    The Size of the LGBT Population...Substantially Underestimated

    Participants were randomly assigned to either a "best practices method" that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a "veiled elicitation method" that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01).

    The results show non-heterosexuality and anti-gay sentiment are substantially underestimated in existing surveys, and the privacy afforded by current best practices is not always sufficient to eliminate bias.


    So I'll just take a wild guess and suppose that those gay among the homophobes are also among those not self-reporting on surveys.
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    Jul 17, 2015 4:46 PM GMT
    grofte saidSome of them for sure.
    But I'm pretty certain more of them are just arseholes. Lashing at anything and anyone not like themselves. Then they can feel a sense of belonging by joining up with other arseholes to hate a minority.

    University students aren't really representative of society as a whole. For example, male homosexuality is 2.5 times as common in university students as in general society.


    This is mostly my take on this, except for the university bit. I doubt social status has much of a role to play in sexual orientation. Good Lord- just imagine if conservatives catch on to that idea. "Heavens- you want to send your SON to university?! He'll catch the gays there!"

    True can be said that homophobes can be trying to hide curiosity with hatred, but a few of my friends are the last people I'd ever expect to date another guy simply because of religious reasons. Religion homophobia probably trumps denial homophobia, at least, I think so up here.

  • Jul 17, 2015 4:50 PM GMT
    NYC_BOI saidWhat I don't understand about all of this is um ok like whats the point of closeted LGBT people doing and saying homophobic things??? if you're closeted I understand. Theres a lot of reasons why people stay in the closet whether it's rejection from their family or friends or fear for their safety and stuff. We live in a very homophobic society and Gay people literally just got the right to get married in all 50 states a few weeks ago, you can be fired for being Gay, its legal to murder someone for being Gay in certain countries so yes coming out isn't easy and I understand why tons of people stay in the closet.

    What makes me so fucking mad are these disgusting self hating pastors and stuff who talk about how LGBT people are going to go to hell and stuff and closeted people who say and do homophobic things...I just dont understand it. What's the point of doing that? If you don't want to come out OK but why make life horrible for other LGBT people? I don't know if I should feel bad for self hating homophobes or be mad at them for being pieces of shit. I feel both I guess.


    Because the book that they are supposed to affirm as "the truth" tells them that this is what they must do. Either be celibate or go all the way in living a lie by marrying a woman as cover.

    They feel like if they are doing their job then it makes them feel good about themselves in their continuing to suppress themselves.
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    Jul 18, 2015 12:01 AM GMT
    That's true. I'm homophobic and still in the closet. Oops, well there goes my secret.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 18, 2015 12:11 AM GMT
    CLTMike46 saidThat's true. I'm homophobic and still in the closet. Oops, well there goes my secret.

    A sock profile is a closeted profile.
  • Antarktis

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    Jul 18, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    Duh.

    This whole thread is spam
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    Jul 18, 2015 12:31 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    CLTMike46 saidThat's true. I'm homophobic and still in the closet. Oops, well there goes my secret.

    A sock profile is a closeted profile.


    Dewd, I think that one's for real. And he's smart and woofy ta'boot.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 18, 2015 12:54 AM GMT
    Antarktis saidDuh.

    This whole thread is spam

    Technically it's not spam. You could say it's reductive, but it seems there's some truth to it, considering there's more homophobia on gay sites than anywhere else.
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    Jul 18, 2015 12:59 AM GMT
    CLTMike46 saidThat's true. I'm homophobic and still in the closet. Oops, well there goes my secret.

    Are you serious, or joking?
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    Jul 18, 2015 2:58 AM GMT
    It's a cool stereotype that fits the narrative.

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 18, 2015 1:05 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    CLTMike46 saidThat's true. I'm homophobic and still in the closet. Oops, well there goes my secret.

    A sock profile is a closeted profile.
    Why do you consider him a sock puppet, because he doesn't subscribe to your rigid, ultra leftist viewpoints. I think that you need a lesson in tolerance, MinneapolisMotorMouth.