Transphobia in the Gay community

  • NYC_BOI

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    Jul 17, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
    I just joined this forum and I noticed there's a lot of transphobia on here. It's always so sad whenever I see Gay men being transphobic or biphobic or racist or prejudiced in any way because we've been discrimated against. We just got the right to marry people we love in all 50 states but we can still be fired for being Gay and it's legal for Gay people like us to be murdered for being Gay in many countries.

    I just saw a post where a Gay man said transphobic remarks about Caityl Jenner and referred to her as "it" and what drives me insane is that there are homophobic straights that do the same thing to us. There are straight people that call us "it" and stuff so yeah I just don't understand all the hate.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 18, 2015 12:03 AM GMT
    They're just uncomfortable with their own sexuality. Some of the guys here are in the closet, and they try to encourage others to live inauthentic lives as well.
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    Jul 18, 2015 12:36 AM GMT
    Many gay people are transphobic because they think that the transgender, transexual and intersexual people should not belong to the comunity because gender is different to sexual orientation, and many hate be confused.

    I think that we are accept and tolerate because we are a fraternity comunity LGBTI.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 18, 2015 12:47 AM GMT
    calima saidMany gay people are transphobic because they think that the transgender, transexual and intersexual people should not belong to the comunity because gender is different to sexual orientation, and many hate be confused.

    I think that we are accept and tolerate because we are a fraternity comunity LGBTI.icon_biggrin.gif

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 18, 2015 1:01 AM GMT
    NYC_BOI saidI just joined this forum and I noticed there's a lot of transphobia on here. It's always so sad whenever I see Gay men being transphobic or biphobic or racist or prejudiced in any way because we've been discrimated against. We just got the right to marry people we love in all 50 states but we can still be fired for being Gay and it's legal for Gay people like us to be murdered for being Gay in many countries.

    I just saw a post where a Gay man said transphobic remarks about Caityl Jenner and referred to her as "it" and what drives me insane is that there are homophobic straights that do the same thing to us. There are straight people that call us "it" and stuff so yeah I just don't understand all the hate.
    You can be fired from your job in 28 states not in all 50 states. Just a little reminder for you.

    As for transgender people, they are a major liability for the GLB community. They are too radically different for the rest of us and they need to form their own unified community rather than ride on the coat tails of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. The GLB community has worked too hard and struggled through too much adversity to allow the transgender crowd to ride on our coat tails to the point of becoming an appendage to our community.

    I personally have nothing against the transgender crowd but at the same token, I am very uncomfortable with them.

    You guys are too damned liberal for your own good.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 18, 2015 1:15 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    NYC_BOI saidI just joined this forum and I noticed there's a lot of transphobia on here. It's always so sad whenever I see Gay men being transphobic or biphobic or racist or prejudiced in any way because we've been discrimated against. We just got the right to marry people we love in all 50 states but we can still be fired for being Gay and it's legal for Gay people like us to be murdered for being Gay in many countries.

    I just saw a post where a Gay man said transphobic remarks about Caityl Jenner and referred to her as "it" and what drives me insane is that there are homophobic straights that do the same thing to us. There are straight people that call us "it" and stuff so yeah I just don't understand all the hate.
    You can be fired from your job in 28 states not in all 50 states. Just a little reminder for you.

    As for transgender people, they are a major liability for the GLB community. They are too radically different for the rest of us and they need to form their own unified community rather than ride on the coat tails of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. The GLB community has worked too hard and struggled through too much adversity to allow the transgender crowd to ride on our coat tails to the point of becoming an appendage to our community.

    I personally have nothing against the transgender crowd but at the same token, I am very uncomfortable with them.

    You guys are too damned liberal for your own good.

    After reading this, I have to wonder who the liability really is.icon_confused.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 18, 2015 1:42 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    NYC_BOI saidI just joined this forum and I noticed there's a lot of transphobia on here. It's always so sad whenever I see Gay men being transphobic or biphobic or racist or prejudiced in any way because we've been discrimated against. We just got the right to marry people we love in all 50 states but we can still be fired for being Gay and it's legal for Gay people like us to be murdered for being Gay in many countries.

    I just saw a post where a Gay man said transphobic remarks about Caityl Jenner and referred to her as "it" and what drives me insane is that there are homophobic straights that do the same thing to us. There are straight people that call us "it" and stuff so yeah I just don't understand all the hate.
    You can be fired from your job in 28 states not in all 50 states. Just a little reminder for you.

    As for transgender people, they are a major liability for the GLB community. They are too radically different for the rest of us and they need to form their own unified community rather than ride on the coat tails of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. The GLB community has worked too hard and struggled through too much adversity to allow the transgender crowd to ride on our coat tails to the point of becoming an appendage to our community.

    I personally have nothing against the transgender crowd but at the same token, I am very uncomfortable with them.

    You guys are too damned liberal for your own good.

    After reading this, I have to wonder who the liability really is.icon_confused.gif
    Go stand in front of a mirror and you will see the real liability.icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 18, 2015 1:50 AM GMT
    It depends on what's considered transphobia. Some of it is unreasonable. Referring to a human being as an "it" is obviously mean and unnecessary. Citing use of pronouns that are biologically applicable as bigotry is irrational. Back when he was interviewing with Diane Sawyer, Bruce Jenner was referring to himself as a guy and a dad. Then Vanity Fair hits and it's "Call Me Caitlyn" (who still identifies as a dad and celebrated Father's Day). It all comes off as a kooky control game. It's also interesting that he didn't refer to himself as she until he put on make-up, hair extensions and a bustier. Transsexual identification doesn't require any physical transitioning at all.
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    roadbikeRob said
    NYC_BOI saidI just joined this forum and I noticed there's a lot of transphobia on here. It's always so sad whenever I see Gay men being transphobic or biphobic or racist or prejudiced in any way because we've been discrimated against. We just got the right to marry people we love in all 50 states but we can still be fired for being Gay and it's legal for Gay people like us to be murdered for being Gay in many countries.

    I just saw a post where a Gay man said transphobic remarks about Caityl Jenner and referred to her as "it" and what drives me insane is that there are homophobic straights that do the same thing to us. There are straight people that call us "it" and stuff so yeah I just don't understand all the hate.
    You can be fired from your job in 28 states not in all 50 states. Just a little reminder for you.

    As for transgender people, they are a major liability for the GLB community. They are too radically different for the rest of us and they need to form their own unified community rather than ride on the coat tails of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. The GLB community has worked too hard and struggled through too much adversity to allow the transgender crowd to ride on our coat tails to the point of becoming an appendage to our community.

    I personally have nothing against the transgender crowd but at the same token, I am very uncomfortable with them.

    You guys are too damned liberal for your own good.


    We should be Republican like Caitlyn Jenner?
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 18, 2015 3:01 AM GMT
    CODY4U saidIt depends on what's considered transphobia. Some of it is unreasonable. Referring to a human being as an "it" is obviously mean and unnecessary. Citing use of pronouns that are biologically applicable as bigotry is irrational. Back when he was interviewing with Diane Sawyer, Bruce Jenner was referring to himself as a guy and a dad. Then Vanity Fair hits and it's "Call Me Caitlyn" (who still identifies as a dad and celebrated Father's Day). It all comes off as a kooky control game. It's also interesting that he didn't refer to himself as she until he put on make-up, hair extensions and a bustier. Transsexual identification doesn't require any physical transitioning at all.

    This starts out well, but then it's like, Don't ask, Don't tell, and only wear your dress in the closet.

    The uncanny thing is how good she looks for her age. It's like she's just been born.

    I think history will treat Caitlyn kindly. In the meantime, why not have an athlete turned transgendered role model?

    I think people are just jealous.
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    Jul 18, 2015 4:09 AM GMT
    Just because the colors in a rainbow aren't infinite doesn't mean there isn't room for transsexual and transgendered folk who have always, and will continue to, identify as straight - OR Republican.
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    Jul 18, 2015 4:12 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidJust because the colors in a rainbow aren't infinite doesn't mean there isn't room for transsexual and transgendered folk who have always, and will continue to, identify as straight - OR Republican.
    Yes it does. There's always room for people who identify as straight, regardless of their true sexual orientation or identity; but there's no room for Republicans as the party is currently represented.
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 18, 2015 10:01 AM GMT
    I don't think I have a phobia and I certainly don't hate anyone. I wish trangendered people well in their process to become another gender.
    I just don't really see how that has anything to do with being gay and why they belong in the gay community.

    Unless they are attracted to the same gender they are trying to become they are not gay.

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    Jul 18, 2015 12:51 PM GMT
    CheeseKraut saidI don't think I have a phobia and I certainly don't hate anyone. I wish trangendered people well in their process to become another gender.
    I just don't really see how that has anything to do with being gay and why they belong in the gay community.

    Unless they are attracted to the same gender they are trying to become they are not gay.

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    Jul 18, 2015 1:07 PM GMT
    Maybe there's a bit of jealousy. Gay men and women spend many years coping with their sexuality and hopefully learn to accept themselves for how they were born. Transgenders somewhat changed the game because they're encouraged to become the person they identified themselves to be rather than be forced embrace the cards they were dealt. It may seem like a double standard to some.
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    Jul 18, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI never understood the whole phobia behind another person's gender identity.


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    NYC_BOI saidI just joined this forum and I noticed there's a lot of transphobia on here. It's always so sad whenever I see Gay men being transphobic or biphobic or racist or prejudiced in any way because we've been discrimated against. We just got the right to marry people we love in all 50 states but we can still be fired for being Gay and it's legal for Gay people like us to be murdered for being Gay in many countries.

    I just saw a post where a Gay man said transphobic remarks about Caityl Jenner and referred to her as "it" and what drives me insane is that there are homophobic straights that do the same thing to us. There are straight people that call us "it" and stuff so yeah I just don't understand all the hate.
    You can be fired from your job in 28 states not in all 50 states. Just a little reminder for you.

    As for transgender people, they are a major liability for the GLB community. They are too radically different for the rest of us and they need to form their own unified community rather than ride on the coat tails of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. The GLB community has worked too hard and struggled through too much adversity to allow the transgender crowd to ride on our coat tails to the point of becoming an appendage to our community.

    I personally have nothing against the transgender crowd but at the same token, I am very uncomfortable with them.

    You guys are too damned liberal for your own good.


    The LGBT rights movement in the US started with Stonewall? I'm pretty sure most of those involved with that were Trans, I thought it was the LGB which rode on it's coat tails and then took over.
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    Jul 18, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    My problem with it is that Trans now means big pharma. Jenner is a frikin Frankenstein now. That is quite different than feeling like a girl and living like one without medical intervention.
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    Jul 18, 2015 9:29 PM GMT
    But actually people do have a point, being transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation, I think it is a little bit prejudice to think that all gay should accept transgender people, in the end being gay does not make you anything, it does not put a label on you that you should think or behave in certain way
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    Jul 18, 2015 10:46 PM GMT
    Being gay doesn't involve self-mutilation unlike being transgender, so there's a significant difference between the two that should be recognized ... nothing to do with "phobia."
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    CODY4U saidIt depends on what's considered transphobia. Some of it is unreasonable. Referring to a human being as an "it" is obviously mean and unnecessary. Citing use of pronouns that are biologically applicable as bigotry is irrational. Back when he was interviewing with Diane Sawyer, Bruce Jenner was referring to himself as a guy and a dad. Then Vanity Fair hits and it's "Call Me Caitlyn" (who still identifies as a dad and celebrated Father's Day). It all comes off as a kooky control game. It's also interesting that he didn't refer to himself as she until he put on make-up, hair extensions and a bustier. Transsexual identification doesn't require any physical transitioning at all.

    This starts out well, but then it's like, Don't ask, Don't tell, and only wear your dress in the closet.

    The uncanny thing is how good she looks for her age. It's like she's just been born.

    I think history will treat Caitlyn kindly. In the meantime, why not have an athlete turned transgendered role model?

    I think people are just jealous.


    What I said was it doesn't take a transformation to identify as trans. Up until the VF issue hit, he was still refering to himself as "Bruce" and "dad". This is very odd for someone who has supposedly been slowly transitioning since the 90's. It's just one of many inconsistencies. This family has yet to do anything honestly.

    Christie Brinkley looks good for her age. Caitlyn looks exactly how most would picture a 6'2, 65 year old MTF. Another thing that's rather annoying is this unrelenting push to claim Caitlyn as the most attractive woman in the history of women. It's all very pushy, and pushy usually just turns people off. I think certain rights are probable (again, depending on what's considered a right). This whole "I Am Cait" thing is a total trainwreck.
  • Muscmasmat

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    Jul 19, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    I attended a number of diversity learning sessions at my former company that addressed transsexual topics. Most were given by MTF trans women. One was a former body builder man that transitioned to a really beautiful woman. For us that do not have gender dysphoria, it is difficult to understand at first. But it should not be difficult to understand that these people are different from most in our society, and that they just want to look on the outside like they feel on the inside. Being different from most others in society and the discrimination that can come from that is a common issue for both trans and gay people.

    Gender identity and sexual orientation are indeed different. Both are complex. But When you think about it, in the past, some of the people who were designated queer/homosexual may have really been trans people. Men who wanted to dress as women or act in a feminine way, may have been really trans and not gay. Or maybe not. Maybe they were gay men, but just felt they needed to appear as women because they were attracted to other men and society forced them to chose to be feminine acting. Either way, there is some historic affinity between the groups. Also, because the number of real trans people is so small, even compared to the small number of gay people in society, it would be difficult for them to mount any political clout, unless they were aligned with others such as the gay movement. So we are different, but we are together in the movement (what could be more "e pluribus Unum"?)

    Sometimes seeing a trans person can be off-putting because their appearance may be different than our norms. But we have learned in society now to accept those who are handicapped, have lost limbs, who are in wheelchairs, who have tattoos, have nose rings and piercings, etc. No reason we can not accept trans people. And many trans people are able to change their appearances to be more conforming to our ideas of a particular gender anyway, and look really good.

    Regarding Caitlyn Jenner, I think for a 65 year old, she looks really good. Being wealthy has helped, I am sure. Just as all movements have their icons that promote acceptance just by outing themselves as being part of a particular group, Caitlyn Jenner can be that person for trans acceptance. And assuming she maintains her sexual orientation, she is now a lesbian. So let's accept her as gay and as a trans person.

    It's time we as gay people educate ourselves regarding our trans sisters and brothers and accept them in the LGBT movement and as fellow human beings!
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    NYC_BOI saidI just joined this forum and I noticed there's a lot of transphobia on here. It's always so sad whenever I see Gay men being transphobic or biphobic


    Biphobia is a myth. There is no such thing. they just get pissy when we say we dont want to date them... and guess what ?? WE DONT HAVE TO ! Get over it.