Who's the real fascist of the crowd???

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    Jul 18, 2015 11:17 PM GMT
    Queen Elizabeth's Nazi salute is a reminder how close Britain sailed to the fascist wind


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    Palace mulls legal action over Nazi film


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  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 18, 2015 11:37 PM GMT
    2bnaked saidQueen Elizabeth's Nazi salute is a reminder how close Britain sailed to the fascist wind


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    Palace mulls legal action over Nazi film


    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/19/palace-mulls-legal-action-over-nazi-film.html


    That's not QE II in the picture with Hitler. It's the Duke of Windsor and Wallis Simpson whom he married after he abdicated the throne to his brother, QE II's father, George VI.

    See the picture here:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2015/0718/Queen-Elizabeth-s-Nazi-salute-What-it-tells-us-about-Uncle-Edward-video

    Also QE II was ONLY SEVEN at the time she did that under the instruction of her uncle, a known Nazi sympathizer. I hope the queen sues the crap out of whoever is involved with this.
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    Jul 18, 2015 11:46 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    2bnaked saidQueen Elizabeth's Nazi salute is a reminder how close Britain sailed to the fascist wind


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    Palace mulls legal action over Nazi film


    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/19/palace-mulls-legal-action-over-nazi-film.html


    That's not QE II in the picture with Hitler. It's the Duke of Windsor and Wallis Simpson whom he married after he abdicated the throne to his brother, QE II's father, George VI.

    See the picture here:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2015/0718/Queen-Elizabeth-s-Nazi-salute-What-it-tells-us-about-Uncle-Edward-video

    Also QE II was ONLY SEVEN at the time she did that under the instruction of her uncle, a known Nazi sympathizer. I hope the queen sues the crap out of whoever is involved with this.




    Check this video out from Sky News. There are a few stories going on simultaneously it seems and I tried to get them all in.....

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/19/palace-mulls-legal-action-over-nazi-film.html
  • tj85016

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    Jul 18, 2015 11:49 PM GMT
    I think that's actually Margaret Thatcher icon_lol.gif

    that would be fitting icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 18, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
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    Jul 19, 2015 5:33 AM GMT
    Buckingham Palace furious after British tabloid publishes video of Queen's Nazi salute


    http://www.firstpost.com/world/buckingham-palace-furious-british-tabloid-publishes-video-queens-nazi-salute-2350250.html

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    Jul 19, 2015 6:57 AM GMT
    US school children used to use the same salute when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It was the Roman or Bellamy salute. The Nazis didn't come up with it. Like the swastika, they borrowed it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
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    Jul 19, 2015 12:16 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    2bnaked saidQueen Elizabeth's Nazi salute is a reminder how close Britain sailed to the fascist wind


    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.666654

    article-1370242-0200E6DA0000044D-622_468

    Palace mulls legal action over Nazi film


    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/19/palace-mulls-legal-action-over-nazi-film.html


    That's not QE II in the picture with Hitler. It's the Duke of Windsor and Wallis Simpson whom he married after he abdicated the throne to his brother, QE II's father, George VI.

    See the picture here:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2015/0718/Queen-Elizabeth-s-Nazi-salute-What-it-tells-us-about-Uncle-Edward-video

    Also QE II was ONLY SEVEN at the time she did that under the instruction of her uncle, a known Nazi sympathizer. I hope the queen sues the crap out of whoever is involved with this.


    Out of interest, what grounds would she have to sue? Also what do you assume people think about the video? Are they reading in to it much?
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    Jul 19, 2015 1:45 PM GMT
    I've watched the footage and - while it is slightly embarrassing in light of subsequent events - it's not exactly Nuremberg rally stuff. It just looks like daft mimicking.

    Of course, before WW2, there was a significant pro-fascist movement in Britain, but you have to see that in the context of the time. Many people in the interwar years believed it was going to be a straight choice between fascism or communism (the Cambridge spies, for example, chose communism).

    The best thing would be for the Queen to open up the Royal Archives covering 1920-45 and allow historians to put these things into proper context. We already know The Duke of Windsor (formerly Edward VIII) had Nazi sympathies and many of Prince Philip's German relatives were Nazis (the Queen Mother was apparently disapproving of his 'hun' roots). None of this is news.
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    Jul 19, 2015 2:21 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI've watched the footage and - while it is slightly embarrassing in light of subsequent events - it's not exactly Nuremberg rally stuff. Princess Elizabeth (the current Queen) is first to throw up an arm, in what looks like a random gesture and the rest follow. It just looks like daft mimicking.

    Of course, before WW2, there was a significant pro-fascist movement in Britain, but you have to see that in the context of the time. Many people in the interwar years believed it was going to be a straight choice between fascism or communism (the Cambridge spies, for example, chose communism).

    The best thing would be for the Queen to open up the Royal Archives covering 1920-45 and allow historians to put these things into proper context. We already know The Duke of Windsor (formerly Edward VIII) had Nazi sympathies and many of Prince Philip's German relatives were Nazis (the Queen Mother was apparently disapproving of his 'hun' roots). None of this is news.

    It was a gesture sweeping Europe in the early 1930s. Mussolini in Italy had created it in the 1920s, and Hitler in Germany borrowed it. I believe Franco in Spain also used it at times.

    Its sinister associations weren't fully understood until a few years after these images of the Princess Elizabeth were taken. Elizabeth's uncle Edward, Prince of Wales at this time who's shown in these shots (and future King Edward VIII who soon abdicated, possibly under pressure from the government for his Nazi sympathies), may have stage-managed these poses.

    In fact, Edward was so distrusted that Churchill, with Edward's brother King George V!'s approval, effectively exiled him to be the Governor of Bermuda during WWII. Edward, Duke of Windsor, would have preferred to stay in his residence in Vichy France, where he could keep socializing with his Nazi friends.

    But the British government convinced him he was a hostage risk. And they promptly bundled him off to remote Bermuda, where he could do little harm, and have no influence.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 19, 2015 2:47 PM GMT
    Will4 saidUS school children used to use the same salute when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It was the Roman or Bellamy salute. The Nazis didn't come up with it. Like the swastika, they borrowed it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
    Thanks to the Nazis, both that salute and the swastika are sullied beyond repair forever.icon_exclaim.gif
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    Jul 19, 2015 2:53 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Will4 saidUS school children used to use the same salute when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It was the Roman or Bellamy salute. The Nazis didn't come up with it. Like the swastika, they borrowed it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
    Thanks to the Nazis, both that salute and the swastika are sullied beyond repair forever.icon_exclaim.gif


    They haven't changed.

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    Jul 19, 2015 3:05 PM GMT
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    Jul 19, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
    A rather minor story in many ways, though seeing the young Princess Elizabeth giving the Nazi salute is a stark reminder of how the world has changed since then.
    The British royal family in recent centuries has had lots of German relatives: George I, Prince Albert, etc. George V was cousin to the old Kaiser Wilhelm I through Victoria. His wife, Queen Mary, was German also. Until 1917 their family name was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha(from Albert). They changed it to Windsor when anti-German sentiments grew strong in Britain during the First World War.
    Interestingly, the one non-Anglo-German among them was the Duchess of York(Scots), later Queen Elizabeth to George VI!
    It was quite natural for them to be sympathetic to all things German, though I doubt they had much time or respect for someone of Adolf Hitler`s class. But they would have taken note of his power in 1933.
    Their class position meant they infused the aristocracy, the elites, and British society generally with this 'germanophilia', and a wish to avoid conflict with Germany. Wagner was the favoured composer at the Proms in London(a festival of classical music in London during late summer)in the inter war years. There was also a strong aristocratic movement sympathetic/appeasing to the Nazis, and I think it did inform government policy towards Germany, especially Neville Chamberlain`s, into appeasement.
    It would be interesting to view their archives in full, and see what correspondence and communications they had in the inter war years with German relatives, elites, and government officials/ministers, including from 1933 to 1939. Especially interesting would be the Duke of York`s, later George VI, views on British-German relations.
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    Jul 19, 2015 3:51 PM GMT
    Perry Still Opposes Gay Scout Leaders, While Walker Backtracks

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    Jul 19, 2015 6:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidQuite similar to Obama and his "deal" with Iran...

    Then a (fair & balanced) Fox News video trumpeting southbeach's cred with Lindsey Graham, Bill Kristol and Dick Cheney...


    Actually, the much (by Fox News) maligned Neville Chamberlain DID the right thing at the right time. Buying Britain the time it needed to prepare for war with Germany. They were in no position to start at that time. By the way, Neville Chamberlain remained and retired a hero.

    But history, right? Something you and Fox News are so strong at.

    Also, completely off topic. Plus, there's nothing remotely related about the two moments in history.

    But policy is obviously your strength, southbeach (as opposed to the ass-crack politics of all of the liberal hens). Do tell us, troll, how it is YOU would deal with Iran's nuclear weapons. Or, better yet, which warmonger's plan for dealing with Iran do you prefer. Gotta hear this. Please use specifics. Please tell us how those who are opposed to this agreement aren't paid for with military contract money.
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    Jul 19, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
    That's crap. No one knew what Hitler was capable of in 1933. He was viewed as a clown. He was an object of ridicule in England and even by many in Germany. Only later did the world know the truth.



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    Jul 19, 2015 10:09 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidQuite similar to Obama and his "deal" with Iran...

    Then a (fair & balanced) Fox News video trumpeting southbeach's cred with Lindsey Graham, Bill Kristol and Dick Cheney...


    Actually, the much (by Fox News) maligned Neville Chamberlain


    Maligned by more than Fox news. Read your history. Even Churchill knew that Chamberlain was trying to do the right thing. But - Chamberlain did not know Hitler for what he was. Churchill did.
  • mybud

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    Jul 20, 2015 2:11 AM GMT
    Biggest fascist in the republican crowd? That's easy, TRUMP.Awe fuck bye.
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    Jul 21, 2015 4:55 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]2bnaked said[/cite]Queen Elizabeth's Nazi salute is a reminder how close Britain sailed to the fascist wind


    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.666654

    article-1370242-0200E6DA0000044D-622_468

    Palace mulls legal action over Nazi film


    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/19/palace-mulls-legal-action-over-nazi-film.html[/quot

    Fascist? No way. Hitler was a socialist ( National Socialist German Workers Party ) so naturally liberal Britain bought into it. Just like Obama he decided that other political parties grid locked government so he sent his opposition to concentration camps or exile.