Maps Have Been Lying To You Your Entire Life

  • metta

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    Jul 19, 2015 2:37 AM GMT
    Maps Have Been Lying To You Your Entire Life






    http://www.iflscience.com/environment/how-maps-can-lead-you-wrong-idea
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    Jul 19, 2015 3:04 AM GMT
    If you think that's bad, try using a navigation system that hasn't been updated in a couple weeks, while driving in a metropolitan area with lots of road construction. You'll be headed the wrong way on a one-way street every few blocks. icon_lol.gif
  • SargeKO

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    Jul 19, 2015 12:51 PM GMT
    You 'all did'nt learn this in Grammar School? Maybe go join the Army or Marine Corps for a hitch and learn map reading and navigating. Wait... This will blow your mind... "North" isn't really North, especially on maps!
  • wellwell

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    Jul 19, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
    ^ ^ ^ PRECISELY ^ ^ ^



    LIES?

    What-the-hell is K. Hamilton's problem, PSYCHOSIS? Even a 1st grade student can figure out Chart Projections & why they're needed!
  • jjguy05

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    Jul 19, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
    SargeFight saidYou 'all did'nt learn this in Grammar School?


    LOL. It's told to us once, and then 99.9% of people forget it, let alone care.

    As for me, I'm a geography nerd, so this is like pointing out to me that the sky is blue.
  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 19, 2015 4:29 PM GMT
    I wouldn`t say lying, just approximations to the truth.
    Having studied geography, physical and human, to degree level, I knew this. All flat representations of a spherical Earth distort to some degree. The fact that the Earth is seventy percent ocean seems under represented, too; that the Pacific Ocean alone covers a greater area than all the landmasses combined.
    Another interesting point is how most global maps have chosen to have Europe near the centre; a hangover from our imperial days?
  • wellwell

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    Jul 19, 2015 4:41 PM GMT
    OK, so why is this any sort of a veracity issue? Psychosis?
  • bro4bro

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    Jul 19, 2015 7:43 PM GMT
    Wait, you mean the earth isn't flat?

    The Mercator projection is not a "lie". But it should probably be kept out of reach of small children, and people whose brains can't process curvilinear coordinate systems.
  • jjguy05

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    Jul 19, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    Lincsbear said
    Another interesting point is how most global maps have chosen to have Europe near the centre; a hangover from our imperial days?


    Perhaps, but it's also easier to divide the vast Pacific Ocean than the narrower Atlantic, or to break up Eurasia.
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    Jul 19, 2015 9:47 PM GMT
    It's not lying.. You just have to be smart enough to understand how projections work.

    I was taught this in grade school.
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    Jul 19, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
    Lincsbear said
    Another interesting point is how most global maps have chosen to have Europe near the centre; a hangover from our imperial days?


    That's sort of where things started. Just because Europe rose from the dark ages during the Renaissance period you think it's imperial? So many great ideas came from there. Jeeze get a grip.



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    Jul 19, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidWait, you mean the earth isn't flat?

    The Mercator projection is not a "lie". But it should probably be kept out of reach of small children, and people whose brains can't process curvilinear coordinate systems.
    I was showing someone an aerial video I did with the GoPro. That person obviously had no brain at all, because he mistook the "fisheye" (curvilinear) lens warping for the curvature of the earth, and was serious about it. He really thought he could see the curve from 500' in the air. What a dumbass. icon_lol.gif
  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 19, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    desertmuscl said
    Lincsbear said
    Another interesting point is how most global maps have chosen to have Europe near the centre; a hangover from our imperial days?


    That's sort of where things started. Just because Europe rose from the dark ages during the Renaissance period you think it's imperial? So many great ideas came from there. Jeeze get a grip.




    No, it`s more to do with maybe the establishment of so many global conventions in the nineteenth century when European countries were building empires and the dominant powers of the world.
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    Jul 19, 2015 11:25 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    bro4bro saidWait, you mean the earth isn't flat?

    The Mercator projection is not a "lie". But it should probably be kept out of reach of small children, and people whose brains can't process curvilinear coordinate systems.

    I was showing someone an aerial video I did with the GoPro. That person obviously had no brain at all, because he mistook the "fisheye" (curvilinear) lens warping for the curvature of the earth, and was serious about it. He really thought he could see the curve from 500' in the air. What a dumbass. icon_lol.gif

    Yeah, everyone knows you have reach at least 1000 feet in altitude.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 19, 2015 11:57 PM GMT
    SargeFight saidYou 'all did'nt learn this in Grammar School? Maybe go join the Army or Marine Corps for a hitch and learn map reading and navigating. Wait... This will blow your mind... "North" isn't really North, especially on maps!
    And on highway route number signs. A good example of this inaccuracy exists along US Route 62 in Niagara Falls, NY. The signs say north 62 but in reality that segment of highway is going southwest. There are more direction inaccuracies on highway route number signs throughout the U.S.
  • LJay

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    Jul 20, 2015 12:58 AM GMT
    So I should carry a pocket globe instead of a roadmap?
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    Jul 20, 2015 4:50 AM GMT
    Lincsbear said
    desertmuscl said
    Lincsbear said
    Another interesting point is how most global maps have chosen to have Europe near the centre; a hangover from our imperial days?


    That's sort of where things started. Just because Europe rose from the dark ages during the Renaissance period you think it's imperial? So many great ideas came from there. Jeeze get a grip.




    No, it`s more to do with maybe the establishment of so many global conventions in the nineteenth century when European countries were building empires and the dominant powers of the world.


    There's a reason European countries were the dominant powers and able to build empires.
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    Jul 20, 2015 4:59 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    SargeFight saidYou 'all did'nt learn this in Grammar School? Maybe go join the Army or Marine Corps for a hitch and learn map reading and navigating. Wait... This will blow your mind... "North" isn't really North, especially on maps!
    And on highway route number signs. A good example of this inaccuracy exists along US Route 62 in Niagara Falls, NY. The signs say north 62 but in reality that segment of highway is going southwest. There are more direction inaccuracies on highway route number signs throughout the U.S.


    It's not an inaccuracy. Even numbered US highways run east to west or west to east while odd run north to south or south to north. There maybe particular segments of the road that run in different directions but the general directions are north/south or east/west. The Interstate system is the same.
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    Jul 20, 2015 5:30 AM GMT
    Maps Have Been Lying To You Your Entire Life

    No, it's the impossibility of flat 2-dimensional maps to accurately represent the 3-dimensional sphere of the Earth. I wouldn't term that "lying" since no deliberate deception was intended.

    And when US elementary schools still taught geography, that was one of the things we learned. We knew on a world map that Alaska wasn't actually as big as nearly half the USA. We had classroom globes that showed us the reality.
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    Jul 20, 2015 5:53 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Even numbered US highways run east to west or west to east while odd run north to south or south to north. There maybe particular segments of the road that run in different directions but the general directions are north/south or east/west. The Interstate system is the same.

    Older US roads and highways did not follow a consistent, nationwide numbering formula when they were built, some over a century ago, and those numberings continue today. There is a universal numbering rationale among the Interstate highways, however, which began to be constructed in the 1950s.

    North-south Interstates end in an odd number, and east-west Interstates end in an even number, most often 0. Those have 1 or 2-digits. Interstates sections that form additional beltways around urban areas are normally 3-digit, beginning with an even number. Interstate extensions that do not form complete beltways or not reconnect with through-Interstates will begin with an odd number., starting from 1.

    That was the original master plan, but some exceptions have developed in the decades since. And of course terrain and urban development have caused some generally N-S, or E-W Interstates to veer for brief stretches in totally different directions.
  • jjguy05

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    Jul 20, 2015 11:56 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said

    There's a reason European countries were the dominant powers and able to build empires.


    And what's that reason?
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    jjguy05 said
    UndercoverMan said

    There's a reason European countries were the dominant powers and able to build empires.


    And what's that reason?


    Nope. Not falling into that trap.
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    UndercoverMan said
    jjguy05 said
    UndercoverMan said

    There's a reason European countries were the dominant powers and able to build empires.


    And what's that reason?


    Nope. Not falling into that trap.


    There is no trap.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Renaissance
  • jjguy05

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    Jul 20, 2015 4:16 PM GMT
    Oh, the Renaissance? There's one simple reason, and that would be it?
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    Jul 20, 2015 7:51 PM GMT
    wellwell said^ ^ ^ PRECISELY ^ ^ ^



    LIES?

    What-the-hell is K. Hamilton's problem, PSYCHOSIS? Even a 1st grade student can figure out Chart Projections & why they're needed!


    QFT ^^^

    "Kristy" probably says it all -- yet another woman doing the equivalent job to a man's who doesn't.

    I believe it was second grade when we learned about the Mercator projection and all the compromises necessary to display a sphere on a plane, as well as that there was a difference between the location of the North Pole and the magnetic pole. Hello? "Lying"??? More like stupidity and ignorance!!