Democratic Candidate Martin O'Malley apologizes after saying 'all lives matter' at liberal conference

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    Jul 21, 2015 10:52 AM GMT
    This story has nothing to do with Trump, but if you want to understand his popularity, one explanation is he is the opposite of the crap demonstrated here.

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    Phoenix (CNN) - Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley apologized on Saturday for saying "All lives matter" while discussing police violence against African-Americans with liberal demonstrators.

    Several dozen demonstrators interrupted the former Maryland governor while he was speaking here at the Netroots Nation conference, a gathering of liberal activists, demanding that he address criminal justice and police brutality. When they shouted, "Black lives matter!" a rallying cry of protests that broke out after several black Americans were killed at the hands of police in recent months, O'Malley responded: "Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter."

    The demonstrators, who were mostly black, responded by booing him and shouting him down.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/

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    Several dozen demonstrators interrupted Mr. O'Malley by shouting “Black lives matter!” — which has become a rallying cry in the wake of recent shootings of black men by police officers — and Mr. O'Malley responded: “Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter,” according to CNN.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, one of Mr. O'Malley’s rivals on the Democratic side, was shouted down as well when he tried to speak, according to Yahoo! News.

    “Black lives, of course, matter. I spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights and for dignity,” Mr. Sanders said. “But if you don’t want me to be here, that’s OK. I don’t want to outscream people.”

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    Jul 21, 2015 6:48 PM GMT
    It is hard for someone who is not an ethnic minority to understand the true message behind "black lives matter" without consigning it as liberal delusions or a statement of victimization. It is not stating that all other lives do not matter. Rather, the statement is an affirmation that black lives matter as equally as others. I think we as a country are delusional to think that race is no longer an issue to avoid addressing the issue.

    If what I say does not make sense, the Berkeley Professor on the article explains the statement's message much more clearly

    Judith Butler, a philosopher at the University of California, Berkeley, recently explained why some find it offensive to respond to the "Black Lives Matter" movement with the "all lives matter."

    "When some people rejoin with 'All Lives Matter' they misunderstand the problem, but not because their message is untrue. It is true that all lives matter, but it is equally true that not all lives are understood to matter, which is precisely why it is most important to name the lives that have not mattered, and are struggling to matter in the way they deserve," Butler said in an interview with The New York Times. "If we jump too quickly to the universal formulation, 'all lives matter,' then we miss the fact that black people have not yet been included in the idea of 'all lives.'"
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    Jul 21, 2015 7:07 PM GMT
    Yes, there is the view that mentioning "all lives matter" deemphasizes "black lives matter". The other implication is that it is in response to perceived mistreatment by the white population, and white police, in particular.

    Its beginning in the Ferguson incident was based on falsehoods, and the same groups that proclaimed "black lives matter" also said "hands up, don't shoot", and never acknowledged the truth when it became known.

    Also, the Baltimore incident involved several police officers who are black, a police commissioner who is black, a city government that has been largely black for decades. Still, the protest groups emphasized the slogans.

    The bottom line is the slogans are exploited by groups who seek to foster a grievance attitude, specifically grievance against whites. Anything that diminishes their slogans, such as saying "all lives matter" will be met with disapproval.

    One black commentator said the slogan should really be "black lies matter".

    It's basically a negative message.
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    Jul 21, 2015 7:21 PM GMT
    smrtnfit22 saidIt is hard for someone who is not an ethnic minority to understand the true message behind "black lives matter" without consigning it as liberal delusions. It is not stating that all other lives do not matter. Rather, the statement is an affirmation that black lives matter as equally as others.

    If what I say does not make sense, the Berkeley Professor on the article explains the statement's message much more clearly

    Judith Butler, a philosopher at the University of California, Berkeley, recently explained why some find it offensive to respond to the "Black Lives Matter" movement with the "all lives matter."

    "When some people rejoin with 'All Lives Matter' they misunderstand the problem, but not because their message is untrue. It is true that all lives matter, but it is equally true that not all lives are understood to matter, which is precisely why it is most important to name the lives that have not mattered, and are struggling to matter in the way they deserve," Butler said in an interview with The New York Times. "If we jump too quickly to the universal formulation, 'all lives matter,' then we miss the fact that black people have not yet been included in the idea of 'all lives.'"


    The ramblings of a Berkeley feminist professor of "Comparative Literature and Critical Theory" notwithstanding, the reaction of the blacks in the audience speaks for itself. Even in its most positive light, it's nothing more than an immature shout of "Me, too!" Prof and her apologists need to look behind the rhetoric and try to understand exactly why it is that "not all lives are understood to matter, ... and are struggling to matter in the way they deserve." And, be careful using the "D-word," Prof; it may come back to haunt you.
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    Jul 21, 2015 11:46 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidYes, there is the view that mentioning "all lives matter" deemphasizes "black lives matter". The other implication is that it is in response to perceived mistreatment by the white population, and white police, in particular.

    Its beginnings in the Ferguson incident was based on falsehoods, and the same groups that proclaimed "black lives matter" also said "hands up, don't shoot", and never acknowledged the truth when it became known.

    Also, the Baltimore incident involved several police officers who are black, a police commissioner who is black, a city government that has been largely black for decades. Still, the protest groups emphasized the slogans.

    The bottom line is the slogans are exploited by groups who seek to foster a grievance attitude, specifically grievance against whites. Anything that diminishes their slogans, such as saying "all lives matter" will be met with disapproval.

    One black commentator said the slogan should really be "black lies matter".

    It's basically a negative message.


    I agree with you and (so do many other African Americans). Many of us believe that if we want people to fight to make the system more fair and accountable, we also must be willing to hold ourselves accountable and be fair about blame. And we also are very concerned about the black on black crime happening in the cities. We've cared about it for a very long time.

    But you won't hear much about those discussions in the media though. Its too boring and gets in the way of the drama. The media doesn't exist if there isn't a story or controversy to cover, especially in today's low information cycle. I saw plenty of reporters who seemed to be absolutely enjoying all the chaos.
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    Jul 22, 2015 12:24 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidYes, there is the view that mentioning "all lives matter" deemphasizes "black lives matter". The other implication is that it is in response to perceived mistreatment by the white population, and white police, in particular.

    Its beginnings in the Ferguson incident was based on falsehoods, and the same groups that proclaimed "black lives matter" also said "hands up, don't shoot", and never acknowledged the truth when it became known.

    Also, the Baltimore incident involved several police officers who are black, a police commissioner who is black, a city government that has been largely black for decades. Still, the protest groups emphasized the slogans.

    The bottom line is the slogans are exploited by groups who seek to foster a grievance attitude, specifically grievance against whites. Anything that diminishes their slogans, such as saying "all lives matter" will be met with disapproval.

    One black commentator said the slogan should really be "black lies matter".

    It's basically a negative message.


    I agree with you and (so do many other African Americans). Many of us believe that if we want people to fight to make the system more fair and accountable, we also must be willing to hold ourselves accountable and be fair about blame. And we also are very concerned about the black on black crime happening in the cities. We've cared about it for a very long time.

    But you won't hear much about those discussions in the media though. Its too boring and gets in the way of the drama. The media doesn't exist if there isn't a story or controversy to cover, especially in today's low information cycle. I saw plenty of reporters who seemed to be absolutely enjoying all the chaos.

    Thanks very much for your message. Really appreciate your candor. The sad truth is there are charlatans and hustlers of all races who thrive on stoking grievance and division, and much of the media gives them cover. The division creates an opportunity for them to attain or maintain power and influence.

    Related is the notion often repeated that the system is rigged and minorities cannot get a fair shake. This is not to ignore the reality that some have it easier than others, but any differences are exploited. A while back I had a conversation with a black man, successful in his career and in his 60s. He grew up in Watts, and had the view that it would be impossible to better himself. He said most in his community had the same view. In his case, the difference was his father who told him to not believe it. He might have to work harder, but he could break out of the ghetto environment, which he did.
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    Jul 22, 2015 2:41 AM GMT
    O'Malley came out the gate like a bull and flipped in 24 hours to show he's just one more gutless pandering hoaxster who stands for nothing that doesn't come with poll numbers.

    Woodford hit a bulls eye pointing the finger at the media for the way they handle "news" just to keep controversy going. When you examine things below the surface race is really not the cause of controversy but the tool for creating it. Blacks in media will as soon turn against other blacks to create a new controversy and get a byline for it. Truth doesn't matter to in media anymore. They are only in it to out smut each other.
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    Jul 22, 2015 4:14 AM GMT
    You can't say anything without offending someone, get over it. What a baby

    #BlackLivesMatter but only if said black lives were taken by a white person

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    Jul 22, 2015 4:39 AM GMT
    There are nearly 7 billion people on this planet. The harsh reality is no life really matters. If anyone of us dies in this moment, other than family and friends, the cosmos won't even hiccup and the vast majority of mankind won't even know you're gone. And within a month or two's time family and friends will have returned to their everyday lives with scarcely a thought of you.

    Sorry, just the harsh reality.

    Carry on.
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    Jul 22, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThe harsh reality is no life really matters. If anyone of us dies in this moment, other than family and friends, the cosmos won't even hiccup and the vast majority of mankind won't even know you're gone.


    Although there's a cynical nihilist in me that knows that this is true, the human part of me knows the pain of loss. It's a moment when we're most impotent.

    When a loved one dies, the manner in which they die matters. My mother died of cancer; all necessary medical steps were taken to prolong her life and reduce her suffering. If one of the medical professionals had neglected their job--accelerating her death or increasing her suffering--my family would have had grounds to sue for malpractice. As is our right in a civilized society.

    We are powerless except for a few little pieces, and those pieces better not be neglected (or sabotaged). That's where our sense of justice comes from, and measuring our (somewhat illusory) mastery of fate is how justice is quantified.

    These protesters are cognizant of the statistics demonstrating that black perps are more likely to die in police custody, more likely to be killed during interactions with the police, more likely to receive a harsher sentence, and less likely to get relief after provable police malpractice.

    Yes, all lives matter. Shit, that's a given. The protesters were disappointed that O'Malley's and Sanders's responses were tone deaf to their ONE cause. If I'm trying to press a congressman to support same-sex marriage equality, do I need a lecture from them that all marriages are great? Or how Uganda has a shitty human rights record? Oh wow, thank you for educating me on how sweet I have it here.

    But thanks for weighing in, conservatives. So nice this is a political (and not human) issue for you.