Truly Shocking News. Seattle's $15.00 Minimum wage seems to be backfiring and it's not even in full effect yet.

  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 23, 2015 11:43 AM GMT
    http://790talknow.com/foxfeedspro/details/item_230484/seattle-grapples-with-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-law-as-other-cities-foll/

    Work less hours to keep all the free stuff?Full Life Care, a home nursing nonprofit, told KIRO-TV in Seattle that several workers want to work less.

    “If they cut down their hours to stay on those subsidies because the $15 per hour minimum wage didn’t actually help get them out of poverty, all you’ve done is put a burden on the business and given false hope to a lot of people,” said Jason Rantz, host of the Jason Rantz show on 97.3 KIRO-FM."


    Welfare rosters?
    Despite a booming economy throughout western Washington, the state’s welfare caseload has dropped very little since the higher wage phase began in Seattle in April.
    In March 130,851 people were enrolled in the Basic Food program.
    In April, 130,376 was the caseload.

    That's less than a 1% drop.

    Restaurants?
    Some restaurants have tacked on a 15 percent surcharge to cover the higher wages. And some managers are no longer encouraging customers to tip, leading to a redistribution of income. Workers in the back of the kitchen, such as dishwashers and cooks, are getting paid more, but servers who rely on tips are seeing a pay cut.

    Some long-time Seattle restaurants have closed altogether, though none of the owners publicly blamed the minimum wage law.

    “It’s what happens when the government imposes a restriction on the labor market that normally wouldn’t be there, and marginal businesses get hit the hardest, and usually those are small, neighborhood businesses,” said Paul Guppy, of the Washington Policy Center.
  • mybud

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    Jul 23, 2015 5:26 PM GMT
    Most of all your sources originate from fox.... like their an independent source. Switch off the radio, and go for a walk, you need some exercise to clear your head...Oh and Trump says SNORT.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 24, 2015 3:56 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAnd any other city dumb enough to follow Seattle's lead will see the same job cuts made by the private sector.


    But there's sick irony in this if you read the 1st paragraph... The $15.00 minimum wage was intended to raise people out of poverty and get them off welfare. Now they want to work less hours so they won't lose their free stuff.

    Jeeeeeeeeeeez......... another great achievement in the realm of social engineering!
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    Jul 24, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
    You can't solve every problem with one new rule. Ny increasing the minimum wage, the state generally increases the amount of money spent in the local areas, since just about everyone who gets a minimum wage, spends all they get, and tends to spend more of it a local establishments, which also increases sales tax revenue. Also, more income axes are generated,taxes are generated in states having an income tax.

    If restauarants want to go to the european system, and add a 15% service charge, fine - that means we don't have to tip anymore.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 25, 2015 12:20 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidYou can't solve every problem with one new rule.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! You need to be preaching that to liberals who insist every problem can be solved with one rule.

    HikerSkier saidAlso, more income (t)axes are generated,taxes are generated in states having an income tax.

    This is true however if people in minimum wage jobs getting $15.00 an hour cut back on the number of hours they work in order to keep all the free shit that's been given to them under the pretense of solving all problems with one rule nothing is accomplished, is there?

    HikerSkier saidIf restauarants want to go to the european system, and add a 15% service charge, fine - that means we don't have to tip anymore.

    You obviously didn't read the article. The 15% surcharge being added by restaurants is to cover the expenses of paying employees who are covered by the one rule to solve all problems minimum wage increase. Servers are not covered and still rely on tips for as much as 80% of their earnings. Customers being hit with a 15% surcharge in restaurants have have stopped tipping servers.
  • carew28

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    Jul 25, 2015 1:08 PM GMT
    It's actually amazing that in the short space of time the raise in the minimum-wage has been in effect, that the amount of people on food-stamps has gone down at all. That's actually quite an accomplishment. I suspect a good many of those people still receiving foodstamps are children.

    To the best of my knowledge, the minimum-wage in Seattle right now is $11/ hour. (Up from $9.32). It'll take foodstamps some time to catch up. Even at $11/hr, that's an annual income, for a fulltime worker, of $22,880 yearly. If they're supporting children, they'll probably still need foodstamps. If they're a single fulltime worker with no dependants, it should get them off foodstamps. But it certainly won't pay for college, and it'll provide only a bare-bones living. If they're working part-time at $11/hr, they'll probably have to remain on foodstamps.

    The $15 minimum-wage is supposed to get phased in gradually over a 3 year period for large employers, with a 7 year period for small employers.

    If employees hours are cut back, possibly it's at their own request, but it's just as likely to be an employer policy.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 25, 2015 1:42 PM GMT
    carew28 saidIt's actually amazing that in the short space of time the raise in the minimum-wage has been in effect, that the amount of people on food-stamps has gone down at all.That's actually quite an accomplishment.


    I posted in here a couple of weeks ago that food stamps have gone down less than one percent only in the period of the two previous months which is most likely from a drop in unemployment than the minimum wage.

    You better hold off with the confetti and parade.


    I suspect a good many of those people still receiving foodstamps are children.
    What we suspect is irrelevant and has no bearing on reality.

    To the best of my knowledge, the minimum-wage in Seattle right now is $11/ hour. (Up from $9.32). It'll take foodstamps some time to catch up. Even at $11/hr, that's an annual income, for a fulltime worker, of $22,880 yearly. If they're supporting children, they'll probably still need foodstamps. If they're a single fulltime worker with no dependants, it should get them off foodstamps. But it certainly won't pay for college, and it'll provide only a bare-bones living. If they're working part-time at $11/hr, they'll probably have to remain on foodstamps.

    The $15 minimum-wage is supposed to get phased in gradually over a 3 year period for large employers, with a 7 year period for small employers.

    If employees hours are cut back, possibly it's at their own request, but it's just as likely to be an employer policy.[/quote]

    I bolded all the words and phrases that are red flags you're attempting to rationalize.

    Defintion
    Rationalize. attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate.
  • carew28

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    Jul 26, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
    Well, the entire posted Fox News article itself (except for the figures showing a reduction in foodstamp recipients) was rationalization and conjecture, with the exception of the hypothesizing about minimum-wage employees asking for reductions in their working hours, which is just pure speculation and guessing.

    I can rationalize just as well as Fox News can.
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    Jul 26, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    carew28 saidWell, the entire posted Fox News article itself (except for the figures showing a reduction in foodstamp recipients) was rationalization and conjecture, with the exception of the hypothesizing about minimum-wage employees asking for reductions in their working hours, which is just pure speculation and guessing.

    I can rationalize just as well as Fox News can.

    that's why it's called Faux News.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 27, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    This is one time that I think the democrats and the liberals are absolutely right. I support a minimum wage of $15.00 an hour. It is time to start taxing the richest of the rich more heavily and it is time for the private sector to accept the fact that people do work hard and that they deserve a decent wage. If it weren't for the lowly workers, the private sector wouldn't have shit to show for. These rich business owners should be stripped of the right to outsource to cheap labor areas. It is time for them to fulfill their rightful obligation of sharing the wealth since it is the working poor, the working class and the middle class that keeps a free market economy healthy and humming. Enough of this wrongful bullshit of the wealthy and especially Wall Street always getting their way because this great country is going bankrupt thanks to their cold hearted greed.
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    Jul 27, 2015 3:22 AM GMT
    mybud saidMost of all your sources originate from fox.... like their an independent source. Switch off the radio, and go for a walk, you need some exercise to clear your head...Oh and Trump says SNORT.
    I wonder what Trump snorts. icon_wink.gif