White People

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    Jul 23, 2015 8:29 PM GMT
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    Jul 24, 2015 11:08 AM GMT
    Wow, this was a very well done documentary, thanks for sharing it, Metta 8.

    Mr. Vargas demonstrated very skilled active listening skills when he interviewed individuals from different ages and ethnic backgrounds. He showed empathy, patience and respect at all times. At no time he appeared confrontational or disrespectful to anyone. I liked the fact that Mr. Vargas validated some of the white/European-Americans' perspectives without questioning them. He instead chose to present research and statistical data to some of them and asked for their reactions to the information.

    Another effective engagement tool Mr. Vargas used was to help some individuals see the commonalities between their ancestors' adjustment to the new US culture with the similar struggles newer immigrants have (like Mr. Vargas did with the Italian-American family). Even if some people may hold to their beliefs about race (like the step father in the video), Mr. Vargas seemed to effectively help "plant a seed" in some people's minds with a different perspective. That is one way positive changes can happen.

    It is my believe and hope that this type of dialogue approach and interactions are what ultimately can and will promote more just and humane interactions among all of us.
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    Jul 24, 2015 3:11 PM GMT
    The Philippines has many programs available where they pay for their citizens to get educated in the US for free provided they return home and put a couple of years into service for the Philippine people. After which they are free to return to the US and are given preferential access to green cards and citizenship frequently under the H1B Visa program. I've helped a few legal immigrants under the H1B program.

    Hopefully Jose the illegal alien gets deported. He has admitted his own criminality by being in the US illegally.
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    Jul 24, 2015 10:04 PM GMT
    I think this documentary was well done and educational. However, even though they said that they were not trying to induce guilt for being born white, the underlying tone I got was we really should be ashamed for being white. Racism will never get better as long as we vacillate from victimizing one race to the other. Shaming white people will never create equality. That will only cause the pendulum to swing in the other direction for a while. The only thing that will create equality is to treat all races, ethnicities, genders and sexual expression equally. Period.
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    Jul 24, 2015 11:56 PM GMT
    Only in the USA would this happen. It's ok, my family tried in Mexico. LOL

    My Grandmother was born in Mexico, many years ago, Pancho Villa See url for info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa kicked them with many others out of the country. Why???? Because their skin was white and because they were industrious and prosperous. NO ONE can preach to me about racism and or liberalism. He's regarded as a hero in Mexico, because he liberated the country from the white settlers and played Robin Hood. How dare he??? A real crook no better than ISIS.

    My Family suffered immensely. They had to pack up quickly and for the most part left all their belongings behind. Some also lost their lives at his hand. He handed the Farm, ranches and industries to the poor work less class!! Most of the business they established then FAILED! Serves them right.

    I am a part of this heritage of survival. My people had to endure untold hardships and NO ONE HELPED THEM. Resiliency is key to the survival of the fittest.
    That's All I want to say!
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    Jul 25, 2015 2:58 AM GMT

    The underlying message is that somehow white people feel entitled. Whatever. My family came to the US from Germany in the mid 1800s because the country was f****d up with wars and they were starving. Does that sound entitled? Their life was not good.

    They got here and were sod-busting farmers trying to survive on land hyped by the railroads.

    Sorry but I don't really believe the b.s. and I don't have time to contemplate skin tone. That's for others who have too much time on their hands. My conscience is clear.

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    Jul 25, 2015 3:12 AM GMT
    I gotta say I didn't like this. I've been involved in dozens of conversations about race and diversity because of my career in HR. The most effective discussions, by far, have occurred when everyone feels included and we talk about solutions, how to work together, how to communicate and how to look for ways to include people.

    This documentary, to me, kinda felt like it was heavily skewed (borderline shaming) against whites. Even the title "white people" was pretty offensive and just sorta jammed the everyday white person into the same bucket. I don't like it when that happens to me so I don't enjoy watching others go through it. Anytime you shame a group, and especially for something they cannot control, it turns people off big time... and especially tends to alienate the very people who could contribute and learn the most from the discussion.

    To me, a better documentary would be to have like minded families of different races share a household for a few days and talk about about similarities and major differences, maybe do a few challenges together etc. They could talk about several topics. Something that felt like everyone had something to contribute and something to take away.
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    Jul 26, 2015 7:17 PM GMT
    Wow, what a set of noteworthy responses! I would like to add additional comments to the ones I already made.
    I agree that this documentary could have included additional information, statistics and perspectives that may have expanded the subject more. Nevertheless I still think MTV did an adequate job with this program considering the 40 minute time limits.

    However unlike other respondents here, I did not feel that the program "shamed" or "bashed" white/European American individuals. I find it interesting that some members of socially privileged populations deem any social critique of their privilege as an attack on them. Perhaps this is because some who identify as "white" are not accustomed to be challenged to reflect on the role that social privilege may have on other people's lives as well as their own. As provocative as the "White People" title may seem to some, I think the title itself was trying to make a point. How different would a white/European American's person feeling of being unfairly singled out by this documentary be from that of a heterosexual person who may feel "bashed" when others speak about heterosexual privilege?

    Years ago I was a facilitator for "diversity training" initiatives as part of my job. One thing that I have learned is that to make the process of overcoming social and institutional racism successful, we must address "white privilege", and these types of discussions will always make some people uncomfortable. And that is precisely the point: without discomfort, there is no spark or incentive to change. Change itself is often an uncomfortable process and I think that Mr. Vargas illustrated that very well in the documentary. If after having discussions about race nobody feels uncomfortable, then we failed in our objective to challenge and overcome racial injustice.

    I still believe that challenging people's perceptions on these issues can be done in a respectful and dignified manner. I believe that all of us at some point have been both survivors and perpetrators of injustice. However I also think that in most cases when we do or say things that offend others, we may be doing so inadvertently. Thus respectfully challenging each other is one constructive way of overcoming racial injustice.

    May this type of robust dialogue continue! icon_biggrin.gif