Creatine?

  • kevmoran

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    Jul 23, 2015 8:34 PM GMT
    I've seen a few topics about creatine but few on my specific questions and all were from awhile ago and I know creatine has undergone some changes in the past few years.

    So my worries:
    1. I've mostly heard that the gains are temporary, and that when you stop taking the supplement, your muscles "deflate". I don't plan on taking creatine for more than 6 months or so, let alone forever.

    2. I've heard one of the common side effects is acne. At 22, I'm not quite out of the pubescent tunnel yet and struggle with my skin as it is, I'm afraid of adding something that will make it worse. Has anyone had that specific issue.

    3. I've heard a of the two types, monohydrate and (I can't remember the other one), but hear extremely differing views on the two. What's that about?

    Thanks for any help!
  • Destinharbor

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    Jul 23, 2015 10:48 PM GMT
    My understanding is that creatine simply eases the transfer of fluids through the cell walls. Which may temporarily cause inflation of muscle cells but mostly is helpful in getting nutrients to the cells when stressed because of exercise. But I've also heard it retards the excetion of some enzimes that also tell your brain that the muscle is tired thus helping you get through a harder workout.

    My partner believes creatine is bad for his complexion andhas stopped for that reason. I can't tell if he's right.
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    Jul 24, 2015 4:35 AM GMT
    google ( types of creatine )

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek67.htm
  • BloodFlame

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    Jul 24, 2015 5:09 AM GMT
    I've never taken the stuff but one of my friends has in the past. From what he told me, it does help build muscle somewhat as it gives the "bloat" look to muscle but once he stopped taking it, a lot of his muscle deflated (mainly his midsection) to where he developed a bit of a belly. He still kept some muscle in his arms but other than that, that's all he told me.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 24, 2015 6:58 AM GMT
    Creatine is the ONLY supplement that I would recommend.

    Nutrition Express (on line) sells German Creatine Caps (1000 Mg) pure Creatine Monohydrate
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    Jul 24, 2015 3:31 PM GMT
    I've used it in the past and had a quick gain of ~5lbs, which seemed to be the bloating associated with it. Once I stopped lifting and using it, that 5lbs dropped. However, I made decent gains with it over that time period.

    My thoughts from my experience with it are:

    - If used in moderation, it is fine and has helped me push a bit harder in my lifting
    - The extra discipline required to use creatine effectively helped me maintain the discipline to get in my workouts. This was more of a mindset thing I noticed. So basically the practice of using creatine reinforced my habit of working out regularly.

    It should go without saying that using creatine is not, in and of itself, much of a shortcut to building muscle. The most important things are to be disciplined and actually workout diligently, consistently, and eat well and get enough rest. If you've got those down, you'll make good gains. Creatine would then be something that could help make those gains a bit better.
  • kevmoran

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    Jul 25, 2015 12:05 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidOh, and by the way, don't get all hung up on different types of creatine. Just get the basic creatine monohydrate. It's cheap and effective. All the other stuff is just hype. I buy a two gallon jug that lasts me for nearly four months at around $20.

    Look around online for good deals that offer free shipping. I find that the NOW brand provides very acceptable results.

    Hope my info helps you.

    Good luck.

    Thanks so much for your help! I'm ordering the Now Creatine as I type this, wish me luck. You've always been super helpful on here, if you ever for some reason need help with something I'm good at (knitting maybe), let me know!
  • oldfart

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    Jul 25, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    I've seen some good results rather quickly - then was interrupted.

    2 questions :
    Do you load at the start, and how?

    Does it affect body-fat readings on a Tanita scale machine?

    Thx
  • kevmoran

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    Jul 25, 2015 3:16 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said

    You're welcome, kev. Glad I could help.

    Just be sure to take some after pics after your body changes. And be sure to take plenty of those already very sexy and hot legs of yours. I wonder how they'll look after taking creatine.

    Deal!

    I should really update my pics anyway, I've probably put on 20 lbs of muscle since those pictures. And squats twice a week has done wonders!
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    Sep 17, 2015 6:26 AM GMT
    I love creatine, a few weeks of taking it and drinking a lot of water I definitely notice a size increase especially in my chest and arms, the problem is when I stop all of that size goes away because it's all just water retention, the energy increase is good though and I'll take bigger size however I can even if it is just bloating
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    Sep 17, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
    I used to use Creatine but stopped after reading the Scientific facts about the stuff. It does help ease muscle fatigue after a strenuous workout and helps to restore broken muscle fibre and tissue. It may also replenish lost energy. But it causes water retention, causing constipation and allows the muscles and body to become bloated rather than flexed. It does not improve muscle growth in any way.
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    Sep 18, 2015 3:34 AM GMT
    Well, I really miss my creatine. But several months ago my doctor told me my creatine levels were elevated and asked me if I was taking any supplements. She asked me to stop taking it for a while to see if my levels returned to normal. Sure enough when I stopped my blood work returned to normal. I miss taking it because I noticed a huge difference while on it. I may ask my new doctor his opinion on starting it again.
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    Sep 18, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Radd saidWell, I really miss my creatine. But several months ago my doctor told me my creatine levels were elevated and asked me if I was taking any supplements. She asked me to stop taking it for a while to see if my levels returned to normal. Sure enough when I stopped my blood work returned to normal. I miss taking it because I noticed a huge difference while on it. I may ask my new doctor his opinion on starting it again.


    A doctor tests for creatinine levels, not creatine. Creatinine is the byproduct of creatine and that's what they look for in bloodwork and urine samples.

    You really should try to find a doctor who has an appreciation for athletics and/or weightlifting. Many doctors are way too conservative. Once, a doctor thought my whey protein powder was oral steroids. Just dumb! The standard baselines for creatinine are the same whether a person is a frail ninety year old woman or a 260lb bodybuilder. Which is absurd as more muscular people are going to have more creatine/creatinine in their bodies than a layperson who has much less muscle. In fact, there truly is no baseline established. The numbers they use are an oversimplification and a general "guide."

    You should also ask for a phosphorous test from a urine sample. Losing phosphorous through urine is the next step to determine if your kidneys are under stress. My creatinine levels are a bit on the high side but that's because of my body size and workout history. My doctor found no abnormally high phosphorous levels in my urine. So I'm good to go.



    Well, as I said, I'm in the process of switching doctors because I don't like her passive aggressive staff. My new doctor works out at my gym and is a borderline bodybuilder himself.

    But my old doctor's question still troubles me because it's the first time I've ever had a doctor ask me if I was taking any supplements when discussing my blood work. It was like she knew I was taking creative just by looking at my results. If creatinine is the byproduct of creatine, then why would that not be an indicator of too much creatine?
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    Sep 19, 2015 6:15 AM GMT
    I don't understand why guys have female doctors.
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    Sep 19, 2015 4:10 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI don't understand why guys have female doctors.



    All my doctors in the past have been male and I highly prefer seeing a male doctor. Not because I'm sexist but because I feel like they can relate to male issues better (because they own the same equipment.) Also I'm uncomfortable with a female touching my private parts. But her bedside manner is incredible and that's why I stuck with her. But I can't deal with her staff anymore so I've found a new doctor. He's also gay.
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    Sep 22, 2015 2:34 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Radd said

    But my old doctor's question still troubles me because it's the first time I've ever had a doctor ask me if I was taking any supplements when discussing my blood work. It was like she knew I was taking creative just by looking at my results. If creatinine is the byproduct of creatine, then why would that not be an indicator of too much creatine?


    I wouldn't worry about it. It could just be that she herself was overly cautious and does that with everyone.

    And to answer your question, the simple answer is yes but like I explained in my previous post: The general guidelines that were established were for everyone regardless of body size or muscle density. More research needs to go into determining what's a healthy level of creatinine for larger men with bigger and more muscular bodies.



    I'm also concerned about taking it with Truvada.
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    Sep 22, 2015 2:31 PM GMT
    I've taken creatine pills before and that stuff does work, however I don't know how much of the mass is just actual water weight? icon_neutral.gif
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    Sep 26, 2015 8:06 AM GMT
    Talon saidI've taken creatine pills before and that stuff does work, however I don't know how much of the mass is just actual water weight? icon_neutral.gif

    From what I understand, creatine helps in better recovery and provides you with more energy during the work out. But it doesn't help in muscle growth unlike steroids. Obviously, if your lifting is progressing, then you would see better muscle development.