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  • toybrian

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    Jul 24, 2015 11:16 PM GMT
    thank god the guy was mnot hurt either..that is a miracle..
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    Jul 24, 2015 11:22 PM GMT
    He'll likely cause the same accident again by biking on the wrong side of the road.
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    Jul 25, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    When I was out walking this afternoon along the lake here, I noticed that traffic on Lake Shore Drive was coming to a crawl. Then I heard sirens, as I came up alongside the scene, a guy on a motorcycle had been cut off by a car and he lost control. I was talking with someone who had actually witnessed it. The motorcycle and the rider slid along the pavement about 50 feet. The paramedics had him on a backboard, but worked quickly and they sped off to the hospital. Hope the guy is ok. He was wearing a helmet.
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    mx5guynj saidHe'll likely cause the same accident again by biking on the wrong side of the road.
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.

    The way the cycling laws are currently setup are extremely dangerous. Most people don't cycle much faster than a person running, and even the fastest cyclist can't keep up with traffic in a 45+ MPH zone. It's the equivalent of putting a 10-20 MPH speed limit on motorcycles and expecting them to be safe.
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    mx5guynj saidHe'll likely cause the same accident again by biking on the wrong side of the road.
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.

    The way the cycling laws are currently setup are extremely dangerous. Most people don't cycle much faster than a person running, and even the fastest cyclist can't keep up with traffic in a 45+ MPH zone. It's the equivalent of putting a 10-20 MPH speed limit on motorcycles and expecting them to be safe.


    Bikes are supposed to ride in the street with traffic in the same direction, that's the law. It's against the law in most states to ride a bike on a 45mph+ road that doesn't have a bike lane.

    As far as the sidewalk, its for pedestrians. I was in the hospital for over a month as a pedestrian hit from behind on a sidewalk by a bike and now have a permanent injury. The perp who hit me didn't even stop.

    Try obeying the law and thinking of someone other than yourself instead of spinning in your own orbit. If the road isn't safe for a bike, then don't ride it. Self indulgence and self entitlement at the expense of others is a huge problem in the gay community.
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    mx5guynj saidHe'll likely cause the same accident again by biking on the wrong side of the road.
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.

    The way the cycling laws are currently setup are extremely dangerous. Most people don't cycle much faster than a person running, and even the fastest cyclist can't keep up with traffic in a 45+ MPH zone. It's the equivalent of putting a 10-20 MPH speed limit on motorcycles and expecting them to be safe.


    Bikes are supposed to ride in the street with traffic in the same direction, that's the law. It's against the law in most states to ride a bike on a 45mph+ road that doesn't have a bike lane.

    As far as the sidewalk, its for pedestrians. I was in the hospital for over a month as a pedestrian hit from behind on a sidewalk by a bike and now have a permanent injury. The perp who hit me didn't even stop.

    Try obeying the law and thinking of someone other than yourself instead of spinning in your own orbit. If the road isn't safe for a bike, then don't ride it. Self indulgence and self entitlement at the expense of others is a huge problem in the gay community.
    You're obviously not a cyclist.
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    Jul 25, 2015 6:38 PM GMT
    How the hell is the cyclist proposed to have caused the accident? Two vehicles, neither on a collision path with him, collided with each other at unsafe speeds. That collision in turn is what caused the truck to lurch in his direction.
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    Jul 25, 2015 7:02 PM GMT
    I wonder which motor vehicle was at fault? By either running a red light or stop sign, or violating a "Priority Road" in Germany?
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    Jul 26, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    paulflexes said
    mx5guynj saidHe'll likely cause the same accident again by biking on the wrong side of the road.
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.

    The way the cycling laws are currently setup are extremely dangerous. Most people don't cycle much faster than a person running, and even the fastest cyclist can't keep up with traffic in a 45+ MPH zone. It's the equivalent of putting a 10-20 MPH speed limit on motorcycles and expecting them to be safe.


    Bikes are supposed to ride in the street with traffic in the same direction, that's the law. It's against the law in most states to ride a bike on a 45mph+ road that doesn't have a bike lane.

    As far as the sidewalk, its for pedestrians. I was in the hospital for over a month as a pedestrian hit from behind on a sidewalk by a bike and now have a permanent injury. The perp who hit me didn't even stop.

    Try obeying the law and thinking of someone other than yourself instead of spinning in your own orbit. If the road isn't safe for a bike, then don't ride it. Self indulgence and self entitlement at the expense of others is a huge problem in the gay community.
    Exactly, bicyclists are among the worst and most persistent lawbreakers. They have no legal right riding on any sidewalks, none whatsoever. They ignore red traffic lights, plow through stop signs and ride against traffic. In addition many of these cyclists refuse to wear helmets putting themselves in grave danger. They cry and complain why motorists yell at them and why pedestrians detest them. The laws don't need to be changed, it is the attitudes of a large percentage of cyclists that need to be changed. I love cycling and it is a healthy and relatively efficient way to get around. But that renegade portion of the active cycling population thinking that they have all the legal right of way in the world when in reality they don't under the law, it is those belligerent, careless cyclists that make all the rest of us look bad. THAT IS WRONGicon_exclaim.gif
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    Art_Deco saidI wonder which motor vehicle was at fault? By either running a red light or stop sign, or violating a "Priority Road" in Germany?


    It looks like the car's road has an unbroken center line and the truck's lanes only exist outside that road; I'd bet from that the truck was entirely at fault.

    If this is Germany, then of course there's a good chance the cyclist is in the right place; many sidewalks and crosswalks are designated for bicycle use, some shared and some divided. Obviously there is no designated crossing on the far side.
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    Jul 27, 2015 2:11 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    mx5guynj saidHe'll likely cause the same accident again by biking on the wrong side of the road.
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.

    The way the cycling laws are currently setup are extremely dangerous. Most people don't cycle much faster than a person running, and even the fastest cyclist can't keep up with traffic in a 45+ MPH zone. It's the equivalent of putting a 10-20 MPH speed limit on motorcycles and expecting them to be safe.
    Bicyclists do not belong on sidewalks, they belong on the roads going with traffic not against traffic like you wrongly and blindly advocate. There is nothing wrong with the laws in their current setup. There is something wrong with bicyclists who break the laws repeatedly and think that they have all the right of way in the world over both motorists and pedestrians. If bicyclists weren't such persistent lawbreakers, they most likely wouldn't get into serious accidents. It is not just belligerent motorists that are a problem, renegade, lawbreaking bicyclists are also the problem. Obviously, you are full of shit up to your eyeballs because you advocate riding on sidewalks and against traffic which is extremely dangerous.
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    Paulflexes said:
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.


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    Bikes are supposed to ride in the street with traffic in the same direction, that's the law. It's against the law in most states to ride a bike on a 45mph+ road that doesn't have a bike lane.

    As far as the sidewalk, its for pedestrians. I was in the hospital for over a month as a pedestrian hit from behind on a sidewalk by a bike and now have a permanent injury. The perp who hit me didn't even stop.

    Try obeying the law and thinking of someone other than yourself instead of spinning in your own orbit. If the road isn't safe for a bike, then don't ride it. Self indulgence and self entitlement at the expense of others is a huge problem in the gay community.

    Paulflexes said:
    You're obviously not a cyclist.[/quote]

    I am a cyclist and the laws should be obeyed. Riding against traffic on the wrong side of the road endangers pedestrians who are legally walking on that side against the traffic. It also makes right turns impossible. Try to ride on roads with a wide shoulder and clear fog line. To guard against being rear-ended, mount a rear view mirror on your left handlebar (or into the end of your left grip) and check it every time you hear a vehicle approaching from your rear. Signal all turns. Stop wherever cars have to stop. Set a good example to counter the bad cyclists out there.
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    Jul 27, 2015 11:20 PM GMT
    Donusman saidPaulflexes said:
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.


    mx5guynj said
    Bikes are supposed to ride in the street with traffic in the same direction, that's the law. It's against the law in most states to ride a bike on a 45mph+ road that doesn't have a bike lane.

    As far as the sidewalk, its for pedestrians. I was in the hospital for over a month as a pedestrian hit from behind on a sidewalk by a bike and now have a permanent injury. The perp who hit me didn't even stop.

    Try obeying the law and thinking of someone other than yourself instead of spinning in your own orbit. If the road isn't safe for a bike, then don't ride it. Self indulgence and self entitlement at the expense of others is a huge problem in the gay community.

    Paulflexes said:
    You're obviously not a cyclist.

    I am a cyclist and the laws should be obeyed. Riding against traffic on the wrong side of the road endangers pedestrians who are legally walking on that side against the traffic. It also makes right turns impossible. Try to ride on roads with a wide shoulder and clear fog line. To guard against being rear-ended, mount a rear view mirror on your left handlebar (or into the end of your left grip) and check it every time you hear a vehicle approaching from your rear. Signal all turns. Stop wherever cars have to stop. Set a good example to counter the bad cyclists out there. [/quote]Thank you +200,000
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    Donusman saidPaulflexes said:
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.


    mx5guynj said
    Bikes are supposed to ride in the street with traffic in the same direction, that's the law. It's against the law in most states to ride a bike on a 45mph+ road that doesn't have a bike lane.

    As far as the sidewalk, its for pedestrians. I was in the hospital for over a month as a pedestrian hit from behind on a sidewalk by a bike and now have a permanent injury. The perp who hit me didn't even stop.

    Try obeying the law and thinking of someone other than yourself instead of spinning in your own orbit. If the road isn't safe for a bike, then don't ride it. Self indulgence and self entitlement at the expense of others is a huge problem in the gay community.

    Paulflexes said:
    You're obviously not a cyclist.

    I am a cyclist and the laws should be obeyed. Riding against traffic on the wrong side of the road endangers pedestrians who are legally walking on that side against the traffic. It also makes right turns impossible. Try to ride on roads with a wide shoulder and clear fog line. To guard against being rear-ended, mount a rear view mirror on your left handlebar (or into the end of your left grip) and check it every time you hear a vehicle approaching from your rear. Signal all turns. Stop wherever cars have to stop. Set a good example to counter the bad cyclists out there. [/quote]You need to cycle more. I just bought a car last week, after being car-less for over a year (sold my previous car over a year ago to commit to cycling for a while - learned a helluva lot).

    .......yet another RJ quote fuckup........can't wait till they get this feature fixed...

    Cycling laws are written and approved by non-cyclists, modified ever-so-slightly to benefit the cyclist lobbyists who put their $0.02 into the discussions.

    A lot of work needs to go into cycling laws. The way they're currently written - for every US state - ensures that more cyclists will be killed before the laws are changed. I'm one of the few cyclists who'll go against the grain, and gladly accept the ticket/fine for being safer than the law.
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    Jul 30, 2015 1:11 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Donusman saidPaulflexes said:
    I'm a HUGE proponent of sidewalks and, if a sidewalk isn't available, riding against oncoming traffic.

    If you've ever been rear-ended on a bike, you'd understand why. I have. It's not fun.


    mx5guynj said
    Bikes are supposed to ride in the street with traffic in the same direction, that's the law. It's against the law in most states to ride a bike on a 45mph+ road that doesn't have a bike lane.

    As far as the sidewalk, its for pedestrians. I was in the hospital for over a month as a pedestrian hit from behind on a sidewalk by a bike and now have a permanent injury. The perp who hit me didn't even stop.

    Try obeying the law and thinking of someone other than yourself instead of spinning in your own orbit. If the road isn't safe for a bike, then don't ride it. Self indulgence and self entitlement at the expense of others is a huge problem in the gay community.

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    You're obviously not a cyclist.

    I am a cyclist and the laws should be obeyed. Riding against traffic on the wrong side of the road endangers pedestrians who are legally walking on that side against the traffic. It also makes right turns impossible. Try to ride on roads with a wide shoulder and clear fog line. To guard against being rear-ended, mount a rear view mirror on your left handlebar (or into the end of your left grip) and check it every time you hear a vehicle approaching from your rear. Signal all turns. Stop wherever cars have to stop. Set a good example to counter the bad cyclists out there. You need to cycle more. I just bought a car last week, after being car-less for over a year (sold my previous car over a year ago to commit to cycling for a while - learned a helluva lot).

    .......yet another RJ quote fuckup........can't wait till they get this feature fixed...

    Cycling laws are written and approved by non-cyclists, modified ever-so-slightly to benefit the cyclist lobbyists who put their $0.02 into the discussions.

    A lot of work needs to go into cycling laws. The way they're currently written - for every US state - ensures that more cyclists will be killed before the laws are changed. I'm one of the few cyclists who'll go against the grain, and gladly accept the ticket/fine for being safer than the law.[/quote]But you are not being safer than the law, you are putting yourself in grave danger by riding against traffic. Bicycles are supposed to be riding with traffic never against it. Like I said before there is nothing wrong with the current cycling laws, there is something wrong with the cyclists who insist on being belligerent, spiteful renegades by running red traffic lights, ignoring stop signs, riding against traffic, riding on sidewalks, and showing no consideration for other users of public rights of way. The laws should permanently remain as they are and be more strictly enforced with greatly increased fines. Bicyclists put themselves in danger with their high and mighty attitudes and their total disregard for other users of public rights of way. Change bicyclist attitudes not the cycling and traffic laws.
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    roadbikeRob saidBut you are not being safer than the law, you are putting yourself in grave danger by riding against traffic. Bicycles are supposed to be riding with traffic never against it. Like I said before there is nothing wrong with the current cycling laws, there is something wrong with the cyclists who insist on being belligerent, spiteful renegades by running red traffic lights, ignoring stop signs, riding against traffic, riding on sidewalks, and showing no consideration for other users of public rights of way. The laws should permanently remain as they are and be more strictly enforced with greatly increased fines. Bicyclists put themselves in danger with their high and mighty attitudes and their total disregard for other users of public rights of way. Change bicyclist attitudes not the cycling and traffic laws.
    Yesterday I rode my bike from SFO (dropped off a rental car) all the way into downtown SF. Once I got into the downtown area, where hundreds of cyclists are, I followed a few cops on bikes. They ran red lights, stop signs, rode on the sidewalk when traffic was too thick, and occasionally went against traffic...particularly on one-way streets. This was all to maximize safety.

    I can't count how many "safe" law-abiding cyclists I've seen get hit, including myself. Bicycles are not cars. They don't go as fast as cars. They're harder to see on the road than a motorcycle because of the narrow profile (regardless of bright clothing and lights). Expecting a cyclist to obey all traffic laws at all times shows a complete lack of experience riding in urban areas. Even the cops know this.
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    Aug 03, 2015 1:07 AM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidBut you are not being safer than the law, you are putting yourself in grave danger by riding against traffic. Bicycles are supposed to be riding with traffic never against it. Like I said before there is nothing wrong with the current cycling laws, there is something wrong with the cyclists who insist on being belligerent, spiteful renegades by running red traffic lights, ignoring stop signs, riding against traffic, riding on sidewalks, and showing no consideration for other users of public rights of way. The laws should permanently remain as they are and be more strictly enforced with greatly increased fines. Bicyclists put themselves in danger with their high and mighty attitudes and their total disregard for other users of public rights of way. Change bicyclist attitudes not the cycling and traffic laws.
    Yesterday I rode my bike from SFO (dropped off a rental car) all the way into downtown SF. Once I got into the downtown area, where hundreds of cyclists are, I followed a few cops on bikes. They ran red lights, stop signs, rode on the sidewalk when traffic was too thick, and occasionally went against traffic...particularly on one-way streets. This was all to maximize safety.

    I can't count how many "safe" law-abiding cyclists I've seen get hit, including myself. Bicycles are not cars. They don't go as fast as cars. They're harder to see on the road than a motorcycle because of the narrow profile (regardless of bright clothing and lights). Expecting a cyclist to obey all traffic laws at all times shows a complete lack of experience riding in urban areas. Even the cops know this.
    Well that is San Francisco, a tightly packed, overcrowded, congested hilly city on 46 square miles of land. That still doesn't change the fact that riding against traffic is dangerous and bikes like all other road users have to follow the exact same laws. I follow the laws and have been cycling for the past 17 years and I have never been hit and never encountered any other problems. The overwhelming majority of my rides are in urban/suburban areas where there is heavy traffic. But I have seen many cyclists taking chances by doing some of the foolish, wreckless things you are advocating and they came extremely close to getting either hurt or killed. As for motorists not noticing bikes, that is mostly due to distracted driving when they are not paying any attention to their driving and worrying about the less important stuff.
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    roadbikeRob saidBut you are not being safer than the law, you are putting yourself in grave danger by riding against traffic. Bicycles are supposed to be riding with traffic never against it. Like I said before there is nothing wrong with the current cycling laws, there is something wrong with the cyclists who insist on being belligerent, spiteful renegades by running red traffic lights, ignoring stop signs, riding against traffic, riding on sidewalks, and showing no consideration for other users of public rights of way. The laws should permanently remain as they are and be more strictly enforced with greatly increased fines. Bicyclists put themselves in danger with their high and mighty attitudes and their total disregard for other users of public rights of way. Change bicyclist attitudes not the cycling and traffic laws.
    Yesterday I rode my bike from SFO (dropped off a rental car) all the way into downtown SF. Once I got into the downtown area, where hundreds of cyclists are, I followed a few cops on bikes. They ran red lights, stop signs, rode on the sidewalk when traffic was too thick, and occasionally went against traffic...particularly on one-way streets. This was all to maximize safety.

    I can't count how many "safe" law-abiding cyclists I've seen get hit, including myself. Bicycles are not cars. They don't go as fast as cars. They're harder to see on the road than a motorcycle because of the narrow profile (regardless of bright clothing and lights). Expecting a cyclist to obey all traffic laws at all times shows a complete lack of experience riding in urban areas. Even the cops know this.
    Well that is San Francisco, a tightly packed, overcrowded, congested hilly city on 46 square miles of land. That still doesn't change the fact that riding against traffic is dangerous and bikes like all other road users have to follow the exact same laws. I follow the laws and have been cycling for the past 17 years and I have never been hit and never encountered any other problems. The overwhelming majority of my rides are in urban/suburban areas where there is heavy traffic. But I have seen many cyclists taking chances by doing some of the foolish, wreckless things you are advocating and they came extremely close to getting either hurt or killed. As for motorists not noticing bikes, that is mostly due to distracted driving when they are not paying any attention to their driving and worrying about the less important stuff.
    I've got about 20 more years on your for road riding, but the first 10 were mostly rural (started riding roads around age 7). That's very fortunate/lucky that you haven't been hit.

    The stuff I experienced in SF was "just the same ole stuff" for me, because Miami and South Beach are the same way (the location, not the RJ user).

    Traffic laws only work for cyclists in less congested areas, and even then it's not always safe. I can't count how many beer bottles that were thrown at me in Arkansas from behind, and no mirror can protect you from that. icon_wink.gif
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    In some, or perhaps many, places, bicycle riders are from the lower income strata. For example, around here you see a lot of Mexicans riding the cheap $70 Walmart bicycles.

    As a result bicycle riders get less respect; people seem to expect that everyone, or at least everyone who counts, should be driving a car.

    One time I was riding through an intersection and some high school kids were going by in a pickup truck and one of them yelled out at me, "You faggot!" My immediate reaction was, "How could they tell?"

    So I agree with paulflexes, your own safety is more important than convenience to the public and following the law.
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    Lumpyoatmeal saidIn some, or perhaps many, places, bicycle riders are from the lower income strata. For example, around here you see a lot of Mexicans riding the cheap $70 Walmart bicycles.

    As a result bicycle riders get less respect; people seem to expect that everyone, or at least everyone who counts, should be driving a car.

    One time I was riding through an intersection and some high school kids were going by in a pickup truck and one of them yelled out at me, "You faggot!" My immediate reaction was, "How could they tell?"

    So I agree with paulflexes, your own safety is more important than convenience to the public and following the law.
    Thank you!

    The thread I posted last week about the cop who was killed had a huge underlying meaning, which I didn't discuss here. But here are the details:

    The cop stopped us (the BMX crowd) because he thought we were the 'homeless guys on bikes" that the city hates. All it took was a few over-the-top tricks and discussing the prices of our bikes (cheapest being $1500+) to convince him that we're not the crowd he's looking for.
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    Any moron who claims to be a cyclist who rides on sidewalks or on the wrong side of the road is either not really a cyclist of any standing or just a complete and total loser.
    No wonder people hate you.
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    paulflexes said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidIn some, or perhaps many, places, bicycle riders are from the lower income strata. For example, around here you see a lot of Mexicans riding the cheap $70 Walmart bicycles.

    As a result bicycle riders get less respect; people seem to expect that everyone, or at least everyone who counts, should be driving a car.

    One time I was riding through an intersection and some high school kids were going by in a pickup truck and one of them yelled out at me, "You faggot!" My immediate reaction was, "How could they tell?"

    So I agree with paulflexes, your own safety is more important than convenience to the public and following the law.
    Thank you!

    The thread I posted last week about the cop who was killed had a huge underlying meaning, which I didn't discuss here. But here are the details:

    The cop stopped us (the BMX crowd) because he thought we were the 'homeless guys on bikes" that the city hates. All it took was a few over-the-top tricks and discussing the prices of our bikes (cheapest being $1500+) to convince him that we're not the crowd he's looking for.
    What Paulflexes is advocating is even more dangerous to cyclists and it is baseless bullshit. Riding against traffic and ignoring both traffic lights and stop signs are the acts that put cyclists in grave danger and also earn them the ire of motorists and pedestrians. Bicycles have no legitimate right on the sidewalks, period. Sidewalks are for pedestrians only and not for cycling. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the laws regarding cyclists, they are effective in keeping cyclists perfectly safe providing that they are enforced and cyclists abide by these laws. The exact same thing pertains to laws regarding motorists. The whole problem is that there is not enough stringent enforcement of these laws and the fines are not stiff enough to send a warning message to both cyclists and motorists that their unlawful, risky behavior on the road will not be tolerated. Probably add some mandatory jail time and a lot of these problems could be solved.
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    Lumpyoatmeal saidIn some, or perhaps many, places, bicycle riders are from the lower income strata. For example, around here you see a lot of Mexicans riding the cheap $70 Walmart bicycles.

    As a result bicycle riders get less respect; people seem to expect that everyone, or at least everyone who counts, should be driving a car.

    One time I was riding through an intersection and some high school kids were going by in a pickup truck and one of them yelled out at me, "You faggot!" My immediate reaction was, "How could they tell?"

    So I agree with paulflexes, your own safety is more important than convenience to the public and following the law.
    Thank you!

    The thread I posted last week about the cop who was killed had a huge underlying meaning, which I didn't discuss here. But here are the details:

    The cop stopped us (the BMX crowd) because he thought we were the 'homeless guys on bikes" that the city hates. All it took was a few over-the-top tricks and discussing the prices of our bikes (cheapest being $1500+) to convince him that we're not the crowd he's looking for.
    What Paulflexes is advocating is even more dangerous to cyclists and it is baseless bullshit. Riding against traffic and ignoring both traffic lights and stop signs are the acts that put cyclists in grave danger and also earn them the ire of motorists and pedestrians. Bicycles have no legitimate right on the sidewalks, period. Sidewalks are for pedestrians only and not for cycling. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the laws regarding cyclists, they are effective in keeping cyclists perfectly safe providing that they are enforced and cyclists abide by these laws. The exact same thing pertains to laws regarding motorists. The whole problem is that there is not enough stringent enforcement of these laws and the fines are not stiff enough to send a warning message to both cyclists and motorists that their unlawful, risky behavior on the road will not be tolerated. Probably add some mandatory jail time and a lot of these problems could be solved.
    Sorry dude but we'll never go cycling together on the streets.

    Mountains maybe, cause that's where my passion lies...with high speed tight turns, medium/big jumps, hard stops, incredibly steep and bumpy descents, and other advanced riding techniques.

    Now you transfer those techniques to street cycling, and you'll quickly learn that the laws are setup to kill cyclists. You just haven't been killed yet. Cyclists who "obey the law" are more at risk than Red Bull Rampage riders.