Obama pushes African nations to treat gays equally under law

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    Jul 25, 2015 5:00 PM GMT
    Kenyatta was unmoved, saying gay rights "is not really an issue on the foremost mind of Kenyans. And that is a fact."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/obama-pushes-african-nations-to-treat-gays-equally-under-law/ar-AAduHRd
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    Jul 25, 2015 6:39 PM GMT
    Shouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
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    Jul 25, 2015 6:50 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
    This doesn't seem very hateful to me:
    "Despite intense security throughout Nairobi, crowds gathered to watch Obama's motorcade speed through the city. U.S. and American flags lined the main road from the airport and billboard's heralded his arrival."

    And having a Pride event at the White House is a bit more in order than Kenya's current laws against gays.
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    Jul 25, 2015 6:52 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.


    "One prominent Democratic lawmaker told me Obama's problem is that he is not insecure -- he always believes he is the smartest person in any room and never feels the sense of panic." - Peter Baker of the NYT
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    Jul 25, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
    desertmuscl saidKenyatta was unmoved, saying gay rights "is not really an issue on the foremost mind of Kenyans. And that is a fact."


    That must have sounded wearily familiar to Obama, being an attitude shared by most conservatives back home.
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    Jul 25, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.

    I wonder how the US/UK would respond if a visiting politician from a non-western country began lecturing us on how we`d got a societal issue, in their opinion, badly wrong?
    Mostly likely, there`d be outrage at such impertinence, and a quick dismissal of the criticism.
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    Jul 25, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
    This doesn't seem very hateful to me:
    "Despite intense security throughout Nairobi, crowds gathered to watch Obama's motorcade speed through the city. U.S. and American flags lined the main road from the airport and billboard's heralded his arrival."

    And having a Pride event at the White House is a bit more in order than Kenya's current laws against gays.


    Kenya is not the world and the only reason he's getting such a warm welcome is that he's perceived as one of them as his father was Kenyan.
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    Jul 25, 2015 8:50 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.

    I wonder how the US/UK would respond if a visiting politician from a non-western country began lecturing us on how we`d got a societal issue, in their opinion, badly wrong?
    Mostly likely, there`d be outrage at such impertinence, and a quick dismissal of the criticism.


    Yep
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    Jul 25, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
    This doesn't seem very hateful to me:
    "Despite intense security throughout Nairobi, crowds gathered to watch Obama's motorcade speed through the city. U.S. and American flags lined the main road from the airport and billboard's heralded his arrival."

    And having a Pride event at the White House is a bit more in order than Kenya's current laws against gays.


    Kenya is not the world and the only reason he's getting such a warm welcome is that he's perceived as one of them as his father was Kenyan.


    I see where you're coming from but I think this is exactly why Obama should be the one to preach tolerance and equality there. The US has been pretty consistent in pushing human rights wherever we go for decades. China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. Sure it gets people pretty angry. But the many victims of the many human rights violations aren't angry. They are literally begging for The Greatest Country in the World to intervene between them and their government, invest in their country, and spread peace.

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    Jul 25, 2015 9:42 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.


    And yet, if he'd said nothing, half the gay community would be out after him for being silent. Maybe this was more consctuctive than mouthing a few platitudes about what a great place this is, and how it's great to see everyone, etc. Remember "Ich bin ein Berliner?" Kennedy sent some pretty strong signals with that.
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    Jul 25, 2015 10:05 PM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
    This doesn't seem very hateful to me:
    "Despite intense security throughout Nairobi, crowds gathered to watch Obama's motorcade speed through the city. U.S. and American flags lined the main road from the airport and billboard's heralded his arrival."

    And having a Pride event at the White House is a bit more in order than Kenya's current laws against gays.


    Kenya is not the world and the only reason he's getting such a warm welcome is that he's perceived as one of them as his father was Kenyan.
    He's still an improvement over the last few decades of Presidents.
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    Jul 25, 2015 10:20 PM GMT
    Huh. Obama has increased US Foreign Aid to countries which imprison and execute gays.

    Obama also gave a free trade deal to countries like Brunei where Obama's "Good Friend" the Sultan passed a law to stone gays to death.
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    Jul 25, 2015 10:31 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan said
    paulflexes said
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
    This doesn't seem very hateful to me:
    "Despite intense security throughout Nairobi, crowds gathered to watch Obama's motorcade speed through the city. U.S. and American flags lined the main road from the airport and billboard's heralded his arrival."

    And having a Pride event at the White House is a bit more in order than Kenya's current laws against gays.


    Kenya is not the world and the only reason he's getting such a warm welcome is that he's perceived as one of them as his father was Kenyan.


    I see where you're coming from but I think this is exactly why Obama should be the one to preach tolerance and equality there. The US has been pretty consistent in pushing human rights wherever we go for decades. China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. Sure it gets people pretty angry. But the many victims of the many human rights violations aren't angry. They are literally begging for The Greatest Country in the World to intervene between them and their government, invest in their country, and spread peace.



    I still think it is bad form to go to someone else's home and partake of their hospitality then chastise them for how they run things. I don't care if you're black, white, Asian, republican, democrat, independent, man, woman. There are places for that e.g., a UN address or an international conference on human rights, etc.

    As for Kennedy's famous speech, I was too young to remember.
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    Jul 26, 2015 1:18 AM GMT
    Lincsbear said
    UndercoverMan saidShouldn't we get our own house in order before telling others how to run theirs? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.

    I wonder how the US/UK would respond if a visiting politician from a non-western country began lecturing us on how we`d got a societal issue, in their opinion, badly wrong?
    Mostly likely, there`d be outrage at such impertinence, and a quick dismissal of the criticism.

    Viewing gay rights as human rights should allay concerns about "cultural invasion." There is no footnote, no asterisk in the United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights that excludes gays.
    Should the US also not discourage female genital mutilation, aparthide, genocide occurring within a nation's borders? Some matters transcend considerations of national sovereignty.
    If other nations in turn point the finger back at us, all the better.
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    Jul 26, 2015 1:42 AM GMT
    desertmuscl saidKenyatta was unmoved, saying gay rights "is not really an issue on the foremost mind of Kenyans. And that is a fact."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/obama-pushes-african-nations-to-treat-gays-equally-under-law/ar-AAduHRd


    Maybe he will campaign in that country for a new job when he's finished here?
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    Jul 26, 2015 8:27 AM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist said
    Viewing gay rights as human rights should allay concerns about "cultural invasion." There is no footnote, no asterisk in the United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights that excludes gays.
    Should the US also not discourage female genital mutilation, aparthide, genocide occurring within a nation's borders? Some matters transcend considerations of national sovereignty.
    If other nations in turn point the finger back at us, all the better.


    I agree with this..
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    Jul 26, 2015 7:39 PM GMT
    Before telling Kenya how to run their country, perhaps hypocrite Barack should remove the video from the White House website and Youtube where he praises his "Good Friend" and instead denounce the Sultan Of Brunei who passed a law to stone gays to death:



    Brunei also got a free trade deal from Obama.

    Perhaps Hillary should give back the $56000 in jewelry she accepted from the Sultan. Large sums of money (over $100 million so far) donated by countries which imprison and execute gays should be returned by the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation.



    Which Republican Presidential Candidates have been accepting money from countries which stone gays to death?
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    Aug 04, 2015 9:59 PM GMT
    > "Which Republican Presidential Candidates have been accepting money from countries which stone gays to death?"


    All those that have been offered it, I'd guess.