Men 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostate.

  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 26, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    Has Anyone had any experience with taking supplements for prostrate health. I've done a ton of research and I don't want to go through another surgery and I don't want to take the more advance drugs to shrink the prostrate because one of the side effects is a higher possibility of prostrate cancer and if you do get cancer it is more aggressive. I was doing flowmax before the surgery and it helped a little but obviously eventually stopped working. In my research I have found that calcium can cause calcium build up in the prostate, making it more difficult to urinate, and guess what, I have been taking calcium for quite some time. So I've stopped.

    So I bought the Now brand of Pygeum, Saw Palmentto with pumpkin seed oil. I've only been taking it one week and I can already see a difference. Of course I don't know if it was stopping the calcium or starting the Pygeum or cutting back on coffee, because I did all three at the same time. I don't think it is the coffee, because I had a couple large cups today and I didn't notice a difference.

    So you have probably heard ads about stuff like beta prostate. And I also found a couple sites that talk about a number of different products good and bad:
    http://www.maleresearch.com/prostate_supplements_review/index_branded.html
    http://best-prostate-formulas.com/
    That second one looks like they are just touting their own stuff, but it lists a bunch of others. I'm sure they are probably all over priced too.

    So now I'm thinking, wow this seems to finally be working, so I'm thinking upping the dosage might help, or get something with a higher milligram content. That Prostaleaf brand seems to be highly recommended, but it seems to be pretty pricey. I found Action Labs Super Saw Palmetto Plus Pygeum which looks like it might be good, so I ordered it on iherb. So I'll try that next.

    Man, I have been dealing with this for several years now, and let me tell you, it is no fun. So if any one has any experiences and found something that works for you, I would sure love to know about it. I would really love to shrink this mother down back to its normal size.

    If you are more comfortable emailing privately that is cool. Thanks in advance.
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    Jul 26, 2015 5:46 AM GMT
    Men 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostrate.

    Men 50+ need advice on how to spell PROSTATE. It's not prostRate, which means to lie prone on the ground, typically face down.

  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 26, 2015 5:51 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidMen 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostrate.

    Men 50+ need advice on how to spell PROSTATE. It's not prostRate, which means to lie prone on the ground, typically face down.

    ya ya ya, get serious and quit being so anal .. everyone makes spelling mistakes icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jul 26, 2015 5:53 AM GMT
    My urologists have recommended drinking cranberry juice for prostate health, and especially to minimize urinary tract blockage due to prostate enlargement, including BPE. Easily available in supermarkets and not expensive.

    But check the label ingredients. You don't want a mixture with things like apple juice. In the US, Ocean Spray brand Original is pure cranberry, with a bit of sweetener.
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    Jul 26, 2015 5:56 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    Art_Deco saidMen 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostrate.

    Men 50+ need advice on how to spell PROSTATE. It's not prostRate, which means to lie prone on the ground, typically face down.

    ya ya ya, get serious and quit being so anal .. everyone makes spelling mistakes icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif

    Sorry. My annoyance is that it's a common & widespread spelling mistake, and also a pronunciation mistake. Every time I hear a guy talk about his "prostrate" I wanna hit him over the head.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 26, 2015 5:58 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidMy urologists have recommended drinking cranberry juice for prostate health, and especially to minimize urinary tract blockage due to prostate enlargement, including BPE. Easily available in supermarkets and not expensive.

    But check the label ingredients. You don't want a mixture with things like apple juice. In the US, Ocean Spray brand Original is pure cranberry, with a bit of sweetener.

    I was drinking that for quite a while and I never saw any improvement, but I'll be glad to add it back in again. Maybe I can knock this out from every direction. I'll go buy some tomorrow ... thanks. I have to look it up, but I think pure black cherry juice is also suppose to be good.
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    AMoonHawk said
    Art_Deco saidMy urologists have recommended drinking cranberry juice for prostate health, and especially to minimize urinary tract blockage due to prostate enlargement, including BPE. Easily available in supermarkets and not expensive.

    But check the label ingredients. You don't want a mixture with things like apple juice. In the US, Ocean Spray brand Original is pure cranberry, with a bit of sweetener.

    I was drinking that for quite a while and I never saw any improvement, but I'll be glad to add it back in again. Maybe I can knock this out from every direction. I'll go buy some tomorrow ... thanks. I have to look it up, but I think pure black cherry juice is also suppose to be good.

    Well, of course whatever works best for you, and your own condition. Cranberry juice has given me good results, and frankly I was rather dubious about such a "home remedy". And I've had chronic prostatitis (prostate infection) for 30 years, and more recently prostate cancer. But it was my urologists who told me to try it, a number of them over the years, not my original idea, or something I browsed on the Internet. And the proof is in the peeing.
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    Jul 26, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
    "Pygeum, also known as African plum extract, could cut down on the times you have to get up to urinate at night and can improve urine flow. It may not work as well as standard treatments like alpha-blockers, though. Try 75 to 200 milligrams a day. Experts encourage using only sustainably harvested pygeum."

    http://www.webmd.com/men/prostate-enlargement-bph/enlarged-prostate-supplements-remedies


    Check out the link for a few more suggestions.


    You may want to skip the Saw Palmetto though:

    " newer and larger studies have shown that saw palmetto works no better than a placebo -- even at higher doses."
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    Jul 26, 2015 3:31 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    I was drinking that for quite a while and I never saw any improvement, but I'll be glad to add it back in again. Maybe I can knock this out from every direction. I'll go buy some tomorrow ... thanks. I have to look it up, but I think pure black cherry juice is also suppose to be good.

    As I wrote above, make sure it's 100% cranberry juice, plus some sugar sweeteners and a few preservatives will be present. The majority of cranberry juice sold is a blend with other juices, like apple and various berries, which obviously dilutes the therapeutic benefit. With Ocean Spray brand it'll read "Original" and the ingredients label will confirm it. Anything that says "Cranberry Cocktail" is a mixed fruit blend.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 26, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    Art_Deco saidMen 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostrate.

    Men 50+ need advice on how to spell PROSTATE. It's not prostRate, which means to lie prone on the ground, typically face down.

    ya ya ya, get serious and quit being so anal .. everyone makes spelling mistakes icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif
    Well my friend, do yourself a good favor by checking your spelling before submitting your forum post.

    No I am not familiar with saw palmentto in regards to prostate health.
  • Breeman

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    Jul 26, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
    I've personally found that stress seems directly related to prostrate health. The greater and more prolonged the stress, the more pain I seem to experience. I'm 53 and my prostrate hasn't been a problem in 4 years.

    I don't think there's any real scientific evidence or otherwise that supplements help with problems of the prostate.
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    Breeman said
    I've personally found that stress seems directly related to prostrate health. The greater and more prolonged the stress, the more pain I seem to experience. I'm 53 and my prostrate [sic] hasn't been a problem in 4 years.

    I don't think there's any real scientific evidence or otherwise that supplements help with problems of the prostate.

    It's PROSTATE, not PROSTRATE!!! Gawd, if I run into that anymore... icon_razz.gif

    The prostate appears to be sensitive to different things, especially those in our diet. I was advised by urologists to be wary of caffeine and colas.

    And indeed, when I drink Coca Cola I can expect some urinary blockage, presumably due to prostate swelling that constricts the urethra. Same thing can happen with beer. Ironic, because beer can make me want to pee, and then I can't, or very well. I avoid both.

    So what the doctors have stressed with me are things to avoid, mostly certain drinks. But to drink pure cranberry juice. Which does seem to really help. I'm also prescribed Flomax to improve urinary flow following my prostate cancer.

    My husband (SB Alert) still takes his Flomax, following his own cancer treatment, but I haven't taken mine in 2 years. The cranberry juice works just as well, and I don't like taking medications if I really don't need them. I was up to 12 different things a day at one point, and have weaned myself back to 2, taken twice a day (epilepsy & blood pressure, plus a third pain med as needed, not too often).
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    Jul 26, 2015 4:51 PM GMT
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    Breeman said
    I've personally found that stress seems directly related to prostrate health. The greater and more prolonged the stress, the more pain I seem to experience. I'm 53 and my prostrate [sic] hasn't been a problem in 4 years.

    I don't think there's any real scientific evidence or otherwise that supplements help with problems of the prostate.

    It's PROSTATE, not PROSTRATE!!! Gawd, if I run into that anymore... icon_razz.gif

    The prostate appears to be sensitive to different things, especially those in our diet. I was advised by urologists to be wary of caffeine and colas.

    And indeed, when I drink Coca Cola I can expect some urinary blockage, presumably due to prostate swelling that constricts the urethra. Same thing can happen with beer. Ironic, because beer can make me want to pee, and then I can't, or very well. I avoid both.

    So what the doctors have stressed with me are things to avoid, mostly certain drinks. But to drink pure cranberry juice. Which does seem to really help. I'm also prescribed Flomax to improve urinary flow following my prostate cancer.

    My husband (SB Alert) still takes his Flomax, following his own cancer treatment, but I haven't taken mine in 2 years. The cranberry juice works just as well, and I don't like taking medications if I really don't need them. I was up to 12 different things a day at one point, and have weaned myself back to 2, taken twice a day (epilepsy & blood pressure, plus a third pain med as needed, not too often).


    Ok, I drink ... or drank about a pot of coffee a day. So maybe that is what helped more so then the pygeum. Sucks, because I love my morning coffee. Beer, eh, I haven't had one in years, so no big deal. Seems also that the older you get, the more it seems you have to give up.

    So how much cranberry juice do you drink per day, and how often? - thanks!
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    Jul 27, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidMen 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostate.
    Men 50+ need rich sexy sugar-boys to support them, and Paleo-ish diet for all other "old guy" ailments.
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    Ok, I drink ... or drank about a pot of coffee a day. So maybe that is what helped more so then the pygeum. Sucks, because I love my morning coffee. Beer, eh, I haven't had one in years, so no big deal. Seems also that the older you get, the more it seems you have to give up.

    So how much cranberry juice do you drink per day, and how often? - thanks!

    I drink 1 or 2 6-oz glasses of pure cranberry juice a day. I avoid most caffeine, sometimes have some tea, but never coffee. I also avoid Coke, although I love it with a pizza. If I succumb to the temptation I know I'll have trouble peeing for the next 24 hours.

    Beer is my second pizza choice, despite my not liking it otherwise as a "stand-alone" beverage, or maybe after a round of golf on a hot day. But again I have to expect some urinary blockage afterwards. No other alcohol does that to me, but then I don't drink very much anyway, despite what southbeach1500 and his friends exaggerate about me here.

    You mention age, but here's the irony for me: the older I've gotten the more things I can tolerate, but the less volume. When I was a teenager (drinking at 18 was legal) I couldn't stand any alcohol except vodka in mixed drinks. If I had whiskey or tequila I risked throwing up, and I hated the taste of wine or beer. I didn't manage gin martinis until I was 21, a duty I felt I owed my family. LOL!

    Today I can drink any alcohol comfortably, but only in small quantities; no indulging allowed. Likewise with food, the second irony of my aging. I used to hate eating, a costly, time-consuming inconvenience I likened to having to refuel my car or motorcycle. My weight was unchanged for 20 years.

    Then as I turned 40 I discovered the pleasures of eating. For once enjoying the foods, and the socializing I could do over a table. My weight began to creep upwards a bit, and I had to buy larger Army trousers for the first time in my career. And by then I'd been a Lt. Colonel, pushing buttons to make things happen, less running around and doing it all myself, and so more sedentary.

    When I retired at 45 I actually lost weight, becoming more active again with camping & motorcycling. Left to myself I never think of food, or drink, you have to put it under my nose. Same with the cranberry juice we're talking about - it's an effort for me to remember I should be drinking it, and I frequently forget.

    Right now I'm about 40 pounds overweight, because my husband (SB Alert) is always putting something in front of me, or taking us to restaurants where I have to order at least something while he's eating. In addition my medical problems have added some pounds. None of these are allowances, however, I've just gotta work harder.

    But sometimes, age is an irony. You finally find you like to do something, but you're too old to do it! icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 27, 2015 1:02 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    AMoonHawk saidMen 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostate.
    Men 50+ need rich sexy sugar-boys to support them, and Paleo-ish diet for all other "old guy" ailments.
    Man you crack me up at timesicon_lol.gif You are a man of surprises. It is hard to judge whether you are the bright light at the end of a long, dark tunnel or the powerful headlight of a speeding, oncoming locomotive.
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    Jul 27, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
    What are the symptoms that this stuff is supposed to cure or reduce?

    I have to get up at least twice a night to piss now and never did before. At my last physical I told my doctor and she said that it's normal for an older man. She did the prostate exam sticking her finger in my butt and said that it was normal.
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    Jul 28, 2015 3:10 AM GMT
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    AMoonHawk said
    Ok, I drink ... or drank about a pot of coffee a day. So maybe that is what helped more so then the pygeum. Sucks, because I love my morning coffee. Beer, eh, I haven't had one in years, so no big deal. Seems also that the older you get, the more it seems you have to give up.

    So how much cranberry juice do you drink per day, and how often? - thanks!

    I drink 1 or 2 6-oz glasses of pure cranberry juice a day. I avoid most caffeine, sometimes have some tea, but never coffee. I also avoid Coke, although I love it with a pizza. If I succumb to the temptation I know I'll have trouble peeing for the next 24 hours.
    ...

    But sometimes, age is an irony. You finally find you like to do something, but you're too old to do it! icon_confused.gif

    Thanks for the info. I think I've over indulged in one thing or another, until it was out of my system or I got bored of it. But the cutting back doesn't bother me so much. Sort of like the saying goes, 'all things in moderation'. Trying to find the balance is the tricky part icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 28, 2015 3:13 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    AMoonHawk saidMen 50+ Need Advice on Pygeum and Saw Palmentto extract for prostate.
    Men 50+ need rich sexy sugar-boys to support them, and Paleo-ish diet for all other "old guy" ailments.

    LOL ... The first thing they want to do is take a life insurance policy out on you .... the second thing they want to do is take you mountain biking on the highest steepest mountain around icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jul 28, 2015 3:28 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidWhat are the symptoms that this stuff is supposed to cure or reduce?

    I have to get up at least twice a night to piss now and never did before. At my last physical I told my doctor and she said that it's normal for an older man. She did the prostate exam sticking her finger in my butt and said that it was normal.


    twice a night is not bad, as time goes by, that ca start increasing to 3, 4 sometimes 5 times a night. Then you are constantly having to pee during the day, but you stand in front of the urinal and nothing comes out.

    So pretty soon you start crunching up on your stomach muscles to force the pee out and you get just a trickling. And when you pee, you almost get that sort of feeling when you shoot your wad, only it is much more intense and constant and feels a bit painful, but the pain is not it is not completely unbearable, just uncomfortable.

    So my advice would be to get ahead of it while you can. If ever you get to the point that you can't pee no matter how much you try, or you are just getting a few drops, go to the emergency room right away, because more than likely you have prostatitis and when they ask to rate your pain, rate it real high, like 9 or 10 or they will keep you waiting for hours and you'll only get worse.
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    Jul 28, 2015 3:33 AM GMT
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    Thanks for the info. I think I've over indulged in one thing or another, until it was out of my system or I got bored of it. But the cutting back doesn't bother me so much. Sort of like the saying goes, 'all things in moderation'. Trying to find the balance is the tricky part icon_biggrin.gif

    I didn't realize I was physically dependent on caffeine until the doctor told me to stop the coffee for a month as an experiment, because it appeared to be upsetting my digestion, and a break from coffee, Coke and all caffeine sources might help to prove a relationship. I only had one or 2 cups in the morning, anyway, and not again the rest of the day. I never lusted for coffee, it was just my morning routine to wake up, I was never a coffee fiend. But I did drink Coke during the day, another source of caffeine. I was 32 at the time.

    Sure, I told him, I can do that, no problem. Was I ever wrong! I started having withdrawals with terrible headaches. Which I didn't fully understand & recognize at first, had no idea why I had become irritable and grouchy (well, more than usual icon_redface.gif ).

    And yet even then I had no conscious urge to drink coffee to relieve those symptoms. And BTW, my digestive problems did clear up, leading the doctor to conclude that I was both highly sensitive to caffeine, and physically addicted. On just 2 morning cups and a couple of cans of Coke a day!

    But it also explained why if I slept in late on weekends I'd always wake with the same headache I was getting after stopping the coffee altogether. My body was programmed to have coffee around 6-7 AM, and if I missed it a headache would result from not getting my "fix". Of course in about a month without any coffee those sleep-in headaches stopped permanently, further proving the relationship.
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    Jul 28, 2015 5:55 AM GMT
    In my late 40's My body changed and I needed to get up to pee several times a night....."Old man's prostate it's called. I started to take saw palmetto from NOW. After about a month or so it went away and never came back . I take a capsule once in a while now as a precaution. I also keep pumpkin seeds around and munch on them as a snack.
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    Jul 28, 2015 6:04 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidIn my late 40's My body changed and I needed to get up to pee several times a night....."Old man's prostrate it's called. I started to take saw palmetto from NOW. After about a month or so it went away and never came back . I take a capsule once in a while now as a precaution. I also keep pumpkin seeds around and munch on them as a snack.

    Glad to hear it went away ... Wish I had started taking something sooner.