The Gay Diaspora

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    Jul 27, 2015 7:26 PM GMT
    Having seen venerated gay venues close in various cities with the advent of online community (first forums and then apps), having not witnessed since Wilton another substantial gay ghetto arise out of the ashes of heterocity nightlife, even as population continues to increase and ever more come out of their various LGB&T closets, having recently learned that Daytona Beach, not a large city by any stretch but also not a small town, no longer has reliable gay nightlife--I was very surprised to learn that--I found particularly interesting this post...

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4086036
    southbeach1500 saidThe entire USA is a "gay friendly" place.

    ...in a thread about that because it highlighted to me a gay diaspora impacting somewhat now and maybe more into the future generations of gays in ways we didn't have to deal with before.

    When I googled "gay diaspora" I found only "739 results" while it seems a bigger issue than that.

    And it must be already pretty frustrating for young gay people because that thread was started by a 22 year old trying to figure out his world. So in an odd sense, it sort of seems that back when we were forced in the closet more, it was easier to meet people face to face, pre-app filters.

    So back to SB's observation, or propaganda haha, however he intended because it seems partially true but also partially bullshit as we know we are not always welcomed everywhere, even here, but that idea, this potential of being free to be who you are openly, this possible obsolescence of gay ghetto, this destruction of gay public nightlife whether by online forum or apps or closing of gay bars or hetero incursions into gay bars, it really seems like broadcasting of gay seed, not into neighborhood victory gardens but out into the north forty and I wonder what that harvest will be.
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    Jul 27, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    Whut's diapora? Some kind of fungal thang?
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    Jul 27, 2015 8:54 PM GMT
    I miss the Norman Rockwell era of glory holes. Being part of a subculture was fun while it lasted...

    Now that's okay to be gay, it seems like many people are skipping the part about being different, and so there are new kinds of closets being built every day.
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    Jul 27, 2015 9:02 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI miss the Norman Rockwell era of glory holes. Being part of a subculture was fun while it lasted...

    Now that's okay to be gay, it seems like many people are skipping the part about being different, and so there are new kinds of closets being built every day.


    Very funny. But it's not just the Eagle chain which lost out to Grindr. It's the little mom & pop drag show stages too. In fact I seem to recall the Daytona bars featured drag shows which is typical of small city gay bars.

    But please do expound on your new kinds of closets. That sounds interesting.
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    Jul 28, 2015 2:37 AM GMT
    As being gay becomes more normalized, there is less need for segregated venues.

    Just like blacks are now a normal part of nightlife in most bars and clubs, so are gays.

    And just like what's happened (and is still happening) with blacks, churches are the last venues to become more inclusive.
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    Jul 28, 2015 4:25 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidAs being gay becomes more normalized, there is less need for segregated venues.

    Just like blacks are now a normal part of nightlife in most bars and clubs, so are gays.

    And just like what's happened (and is still happening) with blacks, churches are the last venues to become more inclusive.


    Nice that we're welcomed but you still have to be able to find each other. So how's that work now, you bring a GPS app into a str8 bar? Is there an app with a Gayger counter?
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    I thought it was dumb enough seeing so many people in gay bars with their faces in their phones. I'd joke that they were looking for a gay person in a gay bar. So now it's no joke?

    I definitely relate to the frustration of the young man in the referenced thread. I haven't even tried the apps yet in part because there's something about the process of submitting an application just to meet someone that turns me off.

    I think in the face to face that he's looking for--rather than looking for a gay face in a sea of str8 faces--can be a spontaneity that can spark a chemistry, be that leading to a friendship or a love.

    So what's odd about this is that usually a diaspora, the scattering of a people from their homeland, is caused by fleeing whereas this is more a staying in place (not moving to the promised land of West Hollywood) but yet without a place to gather in Daytona or wherever, the gay sanctuary where before apps we'd meet for high holy services every Friday night. And we made friends there. Groups of friends. Not just this one on one app stuff. So by that I think it's a valid concern.
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    Jul 28, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
    bon_pan saidWhut's diapora? Some kind of fungal thang?
    https://diasporafoundation.org/