Mormon Church threatens to leave Boy Scouts of America over decision to allow gay leaders

  • jeepguySD

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    Jul 28, 2015 3:33 PM GMT
    Yesterday the Boy Scouts governing body voted by a 45-12 margin (apparently with many abstentions) to end the ban on gay troop leaders, though a loophole in their decision allows church-sponsored troops to “continue to choose adult leaders whose beliefs are consistent with their own.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/26/the-boy-scouts-are-slated-to-lift-ban-on-openly-gay-adult-leaders/

    In response, the Mormon Church has threatened to end its association with Scouting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/us/boy-scouts-end-nationwide-ban-on-gay-leaders.html?_r=0
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    Jul 28, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    Um... girl bye.
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    Jul 28, 2015 4:45 PM GMT
    I'm surprised the WBC hasn't converted to Moron.

    Oops did I misspell that?
  • NursePractiti...

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    Jul 28, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    Good, let them leave.
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    Jul 28, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    Buh-bye...

    Who needs 'em?
  • tazzari

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    Jul 28, 2015 7:41 PM GMT
    Shows their support of youth and the BSA - "Do it the way we want or we'll take our toys and go home." Given that the BSA says anti-gay troups can go on being anti-gay, this strikes me as pretty indicative of where the LDS really are.
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    Jul 28, 2015 9:28 PM GMT

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  • metta

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    Jul 28, 2015 9:32 PM GMT
    Why don't the Mormons focus on space travel? You would think they would want to be looking for Planet Kolob.
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    Jul 28, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
    metta8 saidWhy don't the Mormons focus on space travel? You would think they would want to be looking for Planet Kolob.





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    Jul 28, 2015 9:42 PM GMT
    metta8 saidWhy don't the Mormons focus on space travel?
    Why not just send them into space with the technology we already have?
  • FRE0

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    Jul 29, 2015 12:01 AM GMT
    From the first post:

    "...though a loophole in their decision allows church-sponsored troops to 'continue to choose adult leaders whose beliefs are consistent with their own.'"

    Thus, if the Mormon Church sponsors a boy scout troop, it doesn't have to accept gay troop leaders. Therefore the Mormon Church really has no good reason to leave.
  • tazzari

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    Jul 29, 2015 12:09 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidFrom the first post:

    "...though a loophole in their decision allows church-sponsored troops to 'continue to choose adult leaders whose beliefs are consistent with their own.'"

    Thus, if the Mormon Church sponsors a boy scout troop, it doesn't have to accept gay troop leaders. Therefore the Mormon Church really has no good reason to leave.


    Just bigotry...
  • waccamatt

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    Jul 29, 2015 12:49 AM GMT
    Good riddance; while you're at it, why don't you fly to Planet Shish-kabob or whatever it's called.
  • jeepguySD

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    Jul 29, 2015 1:00 AM GMT
    tazzari said
    FRE0 saidFrom the first post:

    "...though a loophole in their decision allows church-sponsored troops to 'continue to choose adult leaders whose beliefs are consistent with their own.'"

    Thus, if the Mormon Church sponsors a boy scout troop, it doesn't have to accept gay troop leaders. Therefore the Mormon Church really has no good reason to leave.


    Just bigotry...


    Succinct, and accurate.
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    Jul 29, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
    The scouts need to decide if they are a secular or religious organization.
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    Jul 29, 2015 3:23 AM GMT
    theantijock saidThe scouts need to decide if they are a secular or religious organization.
    I actually like the fact that they claim neither secular nor religious affiliation. It would be nice if other businesses and organizations would adopt that policy, instead of using "freedom of religion" (aka: 'religious privilege') to discriminate against people.
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    Jul 29, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    theantijock saidThe scouts need to decide if they are a secular or religious organization.
    I actually like the fact that they claim neither secular nor religious affiliation. It would be nice if other businesses and organizations would adopt that policy, instead of using "freedom of religion" (aka: 'religious privilege') to discriminate against people.


    By their most recent vote they not only use religious so-called privilege to discriminate within their overall organization but they are being particularly scummy by adopting a duel policy playing both sides of the fence such that for receiving money blessings of the church, they will allow us to be discriminated against, while for the money acceptance of secular organizations, they will allow us into leadership positions.

    The Mormons are right to think that's horseshit because it is.

    It is disgusting enough that a business might cowl discrimination under the guise of religion, but scamming religion? I don't even know what that's called. That the Mormons have detected a sense of something wrong, they ought to go with their gut.

    What needs be gutted is the scouts. Their behavior of allowing their religious units to discriminate against us for their funding while expecting secular organizations to fund them is absolutely fucking abominable.

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  • FRE0

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    Jul 29, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
    waccamatt saidGood riddance; while you're at it, why don't you fly to Planet Shish-kabob or whatever it's called.


    Actually, it's planet pincus number 7.

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    Jul 29, 2015 10:27 PM GMT
    What they need to be concerned about are the actual gay "boy scouts" and not the leaders necessarily!

    Seriously, I was a boy scout and I have over 55 merit badges. In my day they were a little harder to come by. What made it even MORE difficult for me was that, at times, when I was younger and still not sure who or what I was, I was harassed, bullied and teased.

    Not really the case anymore, but young men are subject to this and it's harmful and detrimental to their personal growth. Where is the Jesus factor here......?

    Exactly, Young folks need someone who understands preadolescences and the trials of youth!
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    Jul 30, 2015 6:59 AM GMT
    TomSOCAL saidhttp://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-re-evaluating-scouting-program

    The LDS Web site says that they still allow gay boy scouts to participate. I don't see what the issue is, since we have freedom of religion and if Gay Scout Leaders are banned on private property on Mormon Facilities, that is their Church property. For whatever reason, they do not want Gay Scout Leaders operating in their meetinghouses.

    The LDS do a lot of other interesting things, politically.
    For example, their states (Arizona and Utah) do not have anti-discrimination clauses for housing and employment.
    Also, their police forces do not allow sex offenders to locate in suburban areas with high populations of LDS families.

    So it is not just the gay scout leaders.


    So are you drawing an equivalency between homosexual scout leaders and sex offenders?

    *just as they all suspected*
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    Jul 30, 2015 11:17 AM GMT
    A cult with money wanting to be accepted as a mainstream religion, acting like a corporation that wants to be a person making a comment on an institution by threatening to boycott and end a relationship....Please pack up and return ET to his actual home planet.... "Let's do the Time Warp AGAIN!"...Bye! Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 30, 2015 1:52 PM GMT
    TomSOCAL said
    freedomisntfree said
    TomSOCAL saidhttp://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-re-evaluating-scouting-program

    The LDS Web site says that they still allow gay boy scouts to participate. I don't see what the issue is, since we have freedom of religion and if Gay Scout Leaders are banned on private property on Mormon Facilities, that is their Church property. For whatever reason, they do not want Gay Scout Leaders operating in their meetinghouses.

    The LDS do a lot of other interesting things, politically.
    For example, their states (Arizona and Utah) do not have anti-discrimination clauses for housing and employment.
    Also, their police forces do not allow sex offenders to locate in suburban areas with high populations of LDS families.

    So it is not just the gay scout leaders.


    So are you drawing an equivalency between homosexual scout leaders and sex offenders?

    *just as they all suspected*


    No, I am not but what are the odds that a sex offender would decide to become a boy scout leader? They have a right, within scout troops in their meetinghouses, to exclude gay scoutmasters due to this risk. But that may, or may not, be their reason for this decision.



    Then why where you drawing an equivalency between homosexual scout leaders and sex offenders?
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    Jul 30, 2015 2:02 PM GMT
    The Mormon threat against the BSA might be taken seriously by the organization. Based on reports I've seen over the years, the Mormons comprise the single largest religious sponsoring group of the Scouts, with the most scouting members. Plus they allegedly make more overall contributions to the national organization.

    It might be one thing if the Methodists, or even the Catholics withdrew their participation & support, but the Mormons are a much bigger thing for the BSA. Scouting is declining in the US overall, but not among the Mormons.
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    Jul 30, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThe Mormon threat against the BSA might be taken seriously by the organization. Based on reports I've seen over the years, the Mormons comprise the single largest religious sponsoring group of the Scouts, with the most scouting members. Plus they allegedly make more overall contributions to the national organization.

    It might be one thing if the Methodists, or even the Catholics withdrew their participation & support, but the Mormons are a much bigger thing for the BSA. Scouting is declining in the US overall, but not among the Mormons.


    It'd be a horrible precident to set if the BSA reversed their decision based on the threats from the LDS Church.

    I'd prefer to think that the threat was considered before the vote passed.

    The article calls out that Scouting is the largest "non religious" activity that Mormon Youth participate in. For a "non religious" activity to backpedal based on the whining of a religious group.... Well, there'd be no PR spin capable of making that look like a good idea.

    The BSA lost a lot of donations and credibility over the years due to the homophobic stance they had (UNICEF leaps to mind). I bet they can get monies and donations from the more open-minded groups now to make up for any loss the lack of Mormon particupation might create.
  • metta

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    Aug 03, 2015 8:54 PM GMT
    Mormon Scouting Father Chokes Up In Interview Because His Son Isn’t Afraid Of Gay People


    http://www.queerty.com/mormon-scouting-father-chokes-up-in-interview-because-his-son-isnt-afraid-of-gay-people-20150803