Catholic Church issues ban on transgender godparents

  • metta

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    Jul 28, 2015 5:25 PM GMT
    Catholic Church issues ban on transgender godparents


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/28/catholic-church-issues-ban-on-transgender-godparents/
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    Jul 29, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    Their club, their rules. Don't want to play by them? Just move on.
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    One Bishop's decision does not necessarily reflect the views of the entire Catholic church. Only the Pope can actually make a decision that represents the entire Church because his job is exactly that.
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
    Actually beyond the title of the article, nowhere does it reference an actual ban.
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 29, 2015 5:12 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidTheir club, their rules. Don't want to play by them? Just move on.


    Right?

    It's like a jewish guy playing the fiddle at the annual Nazi ball.

  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 29, 2015 5:15 PM GMT
    AttisXVI saidOne Bishop's decision does not necessarily reflect the views of the entire Catholic church. Only the Pope can actually make a decision that represents the entire Church because his job is exactly that.


    Rest assured that the pope feels every gay person is going straight to hell and therefore not a good god parent.

  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
    CheeseKraut said
    AttisXVI saidOne Bishop's decision does not necessarily reflect the views of the entire Catholic church. Only the Pope can actually make a decision that represents the entire Church because his job is exactly that.


    Rest assured that the pope feels every gay person is going straight to hell and therefore not a good god parent.



    http://time.com/3975630/pope-francis-lgbt-issues/
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 29, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
    Oh, I know what he says. I just don't buy it. Nor do I feel comfortable hanging on his every word looking for a small signs of tolerance. I'm just not that bitch.

    I need ten percent openly gay bishops and clear statements against discrimination.
    I also need the "They shall be put to death and their blood shall be upon them" shit taken out of the manual.

    If this pope wants to be the one to end gay catholic kids panicking about their emerging sexuality he needs to do more for them than mince his words.

  • FRE0

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    Jul 29, 2015 6:14 PM GMT
    AttisXVI saidOne Bishop's decision does not necessarily reflect the views of the entire Catholic church. Only the Pope can actually make a decision that represents the entire Church because his job is exactly that.


    It doesn't even reflect the views of the entire Roman Catholic church.
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    AttisXVI saidOne Bishop's decision does not necessarily reflect the views of the entire Catholic church. Only the Pope can actually make a decision that represents the entire Church because his job is exactly that.


    It doesn't even reflect the views of the entire Roman Catholic church.


    True. Very true.
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    Jul 29, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
    While the laity view the role of godparent as purely honorary and ceremonial, the Church views otherwise. Godparents are expected to play a vital role in the spiritual life of the god child. How does one do this if they themselves do not practice their faith?

    That said, when someone accepts the role of godparent the Church assumes the parents and godparents have done so in good faith with the spiritual welfare of the child given primary consideration and importance and that the choosing of the godparents was not frivolous.

    I do not know if a transgendered person is excommunicated "latae sententiae" or whether or not this particular person is living a chaste life as a practicing Catholic. Neither does the Church. Remember the present Pope saying, "Who am I to judge?" Therefore, it would have been prudent for the Church official to not have passed judgement on this person either. The state of ones conscience and soul rests squarely with their possessor. If the transgendered person feels he is living in communion with the life of the Church then the Church officials must assume he is. If the transgendered person knows that he is not he should have the integrity to politely decline the invitation to be godparent and have the strength of his convictions to tell the parents that he is not up to the task.
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    Jul 30, 2015 3:49 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    AttisXVI saidOne Bishop's decision does not necessarily reflect the views of the entire Catholic church. Only the Pope can actually make a decision that represents the entire Church because his job is exactly that.


    It doesn't even reflect the views of the entire Roman Catholic church.


    AttisXVI is wrong. It is only when the Supreme Pontiff speaks "ex cathedral de fide" does he speak infallibly for the Church and he will do so only with the assent of a majority of his fellow bishops (as he is Bishop of Rome, first among equals), and Patriarchs and Metropolitans in communion with Rome. The Pope does not make decrees which are binding upon the Catholic Church capriciously.
  • Cutlass

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    Jul 30, 2015 8:34 PM GMT
    So what else is new? The rc church opted out of adoptions because anti-discrimination laws would bar them from discriminating against gays in adoptions. The pope recently said that every child deserves a mother and father. Hint, hint, in a pointed reference to gays as parents. In the meantime, priests are working against gay rights, while the 33 to 40 percent of gay priests in the church celebrate their gay inclinations.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 30, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
    God, heaven must so boring, what with no diversity, no sex, no love if you're a man who loves men.... Not to mention it's a dangerous place for children, what with all the priests there.icon_eek.gif
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 31, 2015 9:32 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    FRE0 said
    AttisXVI saidOne Bishop's decision does not necessarily reflect the views of the entire Catholic church. Only the Pope can actually make a decision that represents the entire Church because his job is exactly that.


    It doesn't even reflect the views of the entire Roman Catholic church.


    AttisXVI is wrong. It is only when the Supreme Pontiff speaks "ex cathedral de fide" does he speak infallibly for the Church and he will do so only with the assent of a majority of his fellow bishops (as he is Bishop of Rome, first among equals), and Patriarchs and Metropolitans in communion with Rome. The Pope does not make decrees which are binding upon the Catholic Church capriciously.


    Doctrines pronounced "ex cathedrA" are "infallible"; but so are all the "solemn definitions" of ecumenical councils (the last being Vatican II).

    But these are not the highest authorities for choices on moral issues within the ROMAN Catholic church: As any "educated" RC knows,

    "A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience."
    (The Catechism, Part III, Section I, Chapter 1, Article VI, I.1800).