Zimbabwe - Hunter vs. Elephant - A Rare Win for the Elephant

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    Jul 28, 2015 6:49 PM GMT
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11546066/Elephant-kills-professional-big-game-hunter-in-Zimbabwe.html
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    Jul 28, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    Yay for Team Elephant! I hope the fucker suffered a long time. Still wouldn't be as much as all the animals he's made suffer over the years. Good people don't "Game" Hunt.
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    Jul 28, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
    Also Zimbabwe: - Minneapolis dentist kills semi-tame lion, after luring it out of a national park. Hunter wins - but I would hardly call that hunting. Reminds me of the Texas ranches, where "hunters" go to shoot tame lions.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/walter-palmer-american-dentist-revealed-as-killer-of-cecil-the-lion-in-zimbabwe-10421746.html
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    Jul 28, 2015 10:11 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidAlso Zimbabwe: - Minneapolis dentist kills semi-tame lion, after luring it out of a national park. Hunter wins - but I would hardly call that hunting. Reminds me of the Texas ranches, where "hunters" go to shoot tame lions.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/walter-palmer-american-dentist-revealed-as-killer-of-cecil-the-lion-in-zimbabwe-10421746.html
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    Jul 29, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidAlso Zimbabwe: - Minneapolis dentist kills semi-tame lion, after luring it out of a national park. Hunter wins - but I would hardly call that hunting. Reminds me of the Texas ranches, where "hunters" go to shoot tame lions.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/walter-palmer-american-dentist-revealed-as-killer-of-cecil-the-lion-in-zimbabwe-10421746.html


    Even worse is the technique of using the Internet to shoot game in Africa. The system enables someone in the U.S. to use a computer mouse to control a gun remotely in Africa, aim, and fire. That presumably qualifies the American as a big brave game hunter. Next I suppose they will be using drones for hunting from African hotel rooms.
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    Jul 29, 2015 11:53 PM GMT
    I can understand hunting for subsistence, but not for sport alone. The un-named American hunter, whose guide, Ian Gibson, was later killed by the elephant, had already shot a leopard...why? When I see a beautiful, majestic animal my first reaction is not "I want to kill it."
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    Jul 29, 2015 11:56 PM GMT
    IF YOU HUNT ANIMALS FOR ANY REASON, THEN I WANT THE RIGHT TO HUNT YOU DOWN THE SAME WAY FOR "SPORT."

    THIS GUY DESERVED IT. EVERY PAINFUL SECOND. HOPE IT SEEMED VERY LOOOOONG FOR HIM

    HUNTERS......COWARDLY PIECES OF GARBAGE!!
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    Jul 30, 2015 8:57 AM GMT
    Musclefetish saidIF YOU HUNT ANIMALS FOR ANY REASON, THEN I WANT THE RIGHT TO HUNT YOU DOWN THE SAME WAY FOR "SPORT."

    THIS GUY DESERVED IT. EVERY PAINFUL SECOND. HOPE IT SEEMED VERY LOOOOONG FOR HIM

    HUNTERS......COWARDLY PIECES OF GARBAGE!!


    Hunting endangered species should be punishable by death. I'm with you there.

    However, in my neck of the woods, many of the households with families hunt for subsistence. How do you feel about that?

    The deer population in the northeast has exploded. There at least 5 roadkill deer on the stretch of highway to my home right now. Last week, just 5 miles from my home, a man was killed when a deer jumped in front of the Jeep he was driving. But, yeah, okay, all of us deserve to die for shooting and eating what's akin to a large rat. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 31, 2015 2:25 PM GMT
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    Musclefetish saidIF YOU HUNT ANIMALS FOR ANY REASON, THEN I WANT THE RIGHT TO HUNT YOU DOWN THE SAME WAY FOR "SPORT."

    THIS GUY DESERVED IT. EVERY PAINFUL SECOND. HOPE IT SEEMED VERY LOOOOONG FOR HIM

    HUNTERS......COWARDLY PIECES OF GARBAGE!!


    Hunting endangered species should be punishable by death. I'm with you there.

    However, in my neck of the woods, many of the households with families hunt for subsistence. How do you feel about that?

    The deer population in the northeast has exploded. There at least 5 roadkill deer on the stretch of highway to my home right now. Last week, just 5 miles from my home, a man was killed when a deer jumped in front of the Jeep he was driving. But, yeah, okay, all of us deserve to die for shooting and eating what's akin to a large rat. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Wow....OK. What gives anyone the right to say that one species, be it endangered or not, has more right to a natural life and death than the other?

    These people that hunt for subsistence? Then let them pick up the animals that have already been killed on the side of the road. If they're so poor, then let them go to one of the many charitable churches that are run by the morally superior religious right. (Which pay no taxes.)
    And yet they certainly can afford to buy the ammo, guns, licences....etc. (Imagine that.)

    I love when people in favour of killing animals use the false reasoning of the deer population just EXPLODING. Not true. These animals have less and less place to go because humans breed like cockroaches. (Hence the term "breeders") Plus humans have the insatiable need to expand their locations instead of re-habbing older structures. No, we keep taking wildlife's domain. So now that the deer are more concentrated, guess what? They still naturally breed. So the population hasn't exploded. They are just more concentrated and now closer to humans.
    The female deer can be shot with a drug that would prohibit them from becoming pregnant. But why do that?
    Why? Because pieces of shit humans like to go out with friends and family and have "fun" while killing animals.

    As for some guy killed by a deer jumping in front of him? So? That's the deer's fault? No, it's humans fault for our over breeding/building. People get killed in traffic accidents every day. So what?
    And a deer is hardly akin to a rat. Even rats, as problematic as they can be, are here in the numbers they are because of humans.
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    Jul 31, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
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    credo said
    Musclefetish saidIF YOU HUNT ANIMALS FOR ANY REASON, THEN I WANT THE RIGHT TO HUNT YOU DOWN THE SAME WAY FOR "SPORT."

    THIS GUY DESERVED IT. EVERY PAINFUL SECOND. HOPE IT SEEMED VERY LOOOOONG FOR HIM

    HUNTERS......COWARDLY PIECES OF GARBAGE!!


    Hunting endangered species should be punishable by death. I'm with you there.

    However, in my neck of the woods, many of the households with families hunt for subsistence. How do you feel about that?

    The deer population in the northeast has exploded. There at least 5 roadkill deer on the stretch of highway to my home right now. Last week, just 5 miles from my home, a man was killed when a deer jumped in front of the Jeep he was driving. But, yeah, okay, all of us deserve to die for shooting and eating what's akin to a large rat. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Wow....OK. What gives anyone the right to say that one species, be it endangered or not, has more right to a natural life and death than the other?

    These people that hunt for subsistence? Then let them pick up the animals that have already been killed on the side of the road. If their so poor, than let them go to one of the many charitable churches that are run by the morally superior religious right. (Which pay no taxes.)
    And yet they certainly can afford to buy the ammo, guns, licences....etc. (Imagine that.)

    I love when people in favour of killing animals use the false reasoning of the deer population just EXPLODING. Not true. These animals have less and less place to go because humans breed like cockroaches. (Hence the term "breeders") Plus humans have the insatiable need to expand their locations instead of re-habbing older structures. No, we keep taking wildlife's domain. So now that the deer are more concentrated, guess what? They still naturally breed. So the population hasn't exploded. They are just more concentrated and now closer to humans.
    The female deer can be shot with a drug that would prohibit them from becoming pregnant. But why do that?
    Why? Because pieces of shit humans like to go out with friends and family and have "fun" while killing animals.

    As for some guy killed by a deer jumping in front of him? So? That's the deer's fault? No, it's humans fault for our over breeding/building. People get killed in traffic accidents every day. So what?
    And a deer is hardly akin to a rat. Even rats, as problematic as they can be, are here in the numbers they are because of humans.


    You're incorrect about deer populations.

    From Cornell University:

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    http://wildlifecontrol.info/deer/Pages/Populations.aspx


    Population History
    In the early 1900's there were an estimated 500,000 white-tailed deer in the United States. Unregulated commercial hunting and subsistence hunting threatened to eliminate the white-tailed deer from much of its range. At that time, many state wildlife agencies were formed with the goal of conserving the nation's depleted wildlife resources. Hunting regulations were put into place, and the harvest of antlerless (female) deer was prohibited. The rebound of white-tailed deer populations that followed is considered a wildlife management success story. Today there are over 20 million deer in the United States and numbers are rising. Successful management was one of the keys to increasing populations. However, other key factors have contributed as well. Around the turn of the century, large predators such as wolves and mountain lions, were eliminated from much of the white-tails range, removing the natural check on deer numbers. More recently, habitat changes, including reversion of abandoned farm fields to forest, and human population shifts to rural and suburban areas, have created mosaics of open and forested land ideal for deer. In addition to habitat changes, landowner decisions to prevent hunting have limited hunter access to many areas, allowing populations to increase. 

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    Jul 31, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
    As much as I detest the killing of animals in Africa, and the decimation of their populations by taking the land they used to live on, I can understand the need to do something about the incredible overpopulation of white-tailed deer in the USA.

    Throughout the USA, there are deer starving and dying of disease, because there are too many of them for their enviornment. The real solution for the deer, however, is to bring back the wolf and the cougar, which have been exterminated in most of their former ranges in the americas. The wolf and cougar live primarily on deer, and, where they are still allowed to live, keep the deer population healthy by killing off the weakest, old, and diseased. Since it became illegal to kill cougars in California, they have grown in number, can occasionally be seen in suburbs, and eat a lot of deer. Too bad the idiots in Milwaukee have to act so hysterically about the presence of one in their forests. If they had a lot more, they would not have the deer problem that they do.
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    Jul 31, 2015 6:30 PM GMT
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    You're incorrect about deer populations.

    From Cornell University:

    (I've italicized relevant text in the quote below.)

    http://wildlifecontrol.info/deer/Pages/Populations.aspx


    Population History
    In the early 1900's there were an estimated 500,000 white-tailed deer in the United States. Unregulated commercial hunting and subsistence hunting threatened to eliminate the white-tailed deer from much of its range. At that time, many state wildlife agencies were formed with the goal of conserving the nation's depleted wildlife resources. Hunting regulations were put into place, and the harvest of antlerless (female) deer was prohibited. The rebound of white-tailed deer populations that followed is considered a wildlife management success story. Today there are over 20 million deer in the United States and numbers are rising. Successful management was one of the keys to increasing populations. However, other key factors have contributed as well. Around the turn of the century, large predators such as wolves and mountain lions, were eliminated from much of the white-tails range, removing the natural check on deer numbers. More recently, habitat changes, including reversion of abandoned farm fields to forest, and human population shifts to rural and suburban areas, have created mosaics of open and forested land ideal for deer. In addition to habitat changes, landowner decisions to prevent hunting have limited hunter access to many areas, allowing populations to increase. 

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    I'm sorry, but I have a hard time accepting an argument for or about animals from someone who participates in rodeos. Rodeos are harmful and painful exploitation of animals.

    I've read this article youv'e cited and dozens of others of the same ilk. ZZZzzzZZZzzz.

    Humans keep breeding and taking the deer's living space. Plain and simple. That's a fact no paid scientist, or one whom is looking to be published, can deny. The deer breed more frequently because of this.

    We can render the female deer incapable of becoming pregnant with drugs by means of a dart gun. But again....no. People would rather the "sport" of killing an animal for fun.
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    Aug 01, 2015 12:07 AM GMT
    jeepguySD saidI can understand hunting for subsistence, but not for sport alone. The un-named American hunter, whose guide, Ian Gibson, was later killed by the elephant, had already shot a leopard...why? When I see a beautiful, majestic animal my first reaction is not "I want to kill it."


    Theodore Roosevelt did the same thing. Some people seem to have a mania for killing.
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    Sep 13, 2015 10:41 PM GMT
    For some reason an alpha bull elephant already study the human predator weakness and hunter is fairly uncertain how firing an animal, in an open view, would workout?
    He is in a wrong spot to be sure. This is a downfall to every hunter that faces a dangerous task. icon_surprised.gif I'm glad a bull elephant is safe.