Men holding hands

  • FuerteC

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    Jul 29, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
    What are your ruminations on the physical contact between two males shoulder width apart holding each other's hands?

    In Russia this homosexual couple experienced distress and conflict when both of their hands were in direct contact. On YouTube this video has received more than 9 x 10^6 (9 million) views.



    At the start the general population had no reaction and some friendly. Then it gradually descended into unconstrained hostility towards this public show of affection.

    What are the explanations?

    I think there is a strong religious and nationalist component.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/virals/11770510/Gay-couple-in-Ukraine-are-assaulted-for-holding-hands-in-public.html
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 3:02 PM GMT
    So your question to this forum of gay men is, "What do you think about two men holding hands?".

    No. Men should never sit close together and/or hold hands ever. What a ridiculous idea.
  • FuerteC

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    Jul 29, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
    AttisXVI saidSo your question to this forum of gay men is, "What do you think about two men holding hands?".

    No. Men should never sit close together and/or hold hands ever. What a ridiculous idea.


    Perhaps the video is misleading. The video (have you seen it or watched it?) shows an experiment where a gay couple is holding hands in public.

    The reactions are severe and unacceptable. I had a further question and asked what you think are the explanations for this.
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 3:22 PM GMT
    It's Russia. It's already illegal for them to do that in Russia. Of course people are going to be upset.
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    Jul 29, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
    I think it's cool and if im ever in a relationship with a guy again id look forward doing it. But I wouldn't do it in Russia because its not socially accepted.
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 4:37 PM GMT
    It's not a social experiment if you know how its going to turn out. It's just causing trouble. Trolling.
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    Jul 29, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
    love it when fuck-tards comment without watching...

    Pretty brave of them--if more do it then who knows...maybe in twenty years...
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 29, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
    AttisXVI saidIt's Russia. It's already illegal for them to do that in Russia. Of course people are going to be upset.


    It's Ukraine but I get what you are saying.

    I'm not a natural activist and really don't care about not showing affection in public. I can wait.
    I'm also a short fused big guy and if that little pisser would have sprayed me like that I would have kicked his little ass.
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 29, 2015 5:29 PM GMT
    dustin_K_tx saidlove it when fuck-tards comment without watching...

    Pretty brave of them--if more do it then who knows...maybe in twenty years...


    It's a social experiment. Social Experiments are actions done with the intent to record a reaction from a social group. If they were holding hands in protest it would be a different story.

    The purpose in this case according to the OP is to show how people react to two men holding hands in public. To show the unfortunate severity of how negatively people behave towards it.

    The result is nothing more or less than expected.
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    Jul 29, 2015 5:37 PM GMT
    I wish there were more of it. I think its sweet.
  • LostSailor

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    Jul 29, 2015 6:35 PM GMT
    I LOVE LOVE LOVE holding hands in public.
    Sometimes, I think I do it hoping somebody would say something.
    Hasn't ever happened.
  • Buddha

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    Jul 29, 2015 6:37 PM GMT
    Like someone said before, that is not Russia but Ukraine.

    The video with two men holding hands and walking in Russia is this video:



    While not as disturbing as the prior one, it is not unlikely that the same thing could happen in Russia.

    Right now Ukraine is surging with neo-nazis. I'm not saying that as an extreme comparison, these are ACTUALY neo-nazis. In a way, Ukraine has become the Western world-version of Syria, there are people who sympahtize with neo-nazism who travel to Ukraine to fight for the nazi cause. We've even had people from Sweden who travel their to fight.

    Right now, Europe is facing a strong wind from the right. This means a lot of hate towards immigrants, and at first I see a lot of white gay guys who support this cause, but they tend to forget that the extreme right political side is rarely friendly towards gay people. How did that poem go again, "first they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the..."

    If you want to know more about the far-right movement sweeping through Europe, feel free to watch this clip with John Oliver. It's also very entertaining so please check it out!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFEeS2OXpoI

    Sweden has been relatively unscathed for quite some time, but even now we have a racist and homophobic party stacking almost 20% of the votes. And keep in mind that they're light-version in comparison to their counter-part parties accross Europe. Unlike the other European countries though, almost all other parties in Sweden refuse to co-operate with this party.
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    Jul 29, 2015 6:51 PM GMT
    Russia has its gay problem
    Germany had its ways with the jews big time
    president elect Trump hates Mexicans
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    Jul 29, 2015 6:55 PM GMT
    Ukraine is still a quite a homophobic nation same as most balkan countries and post soviet union countries, but Ukraine is not as homophobic as Russia, Ukraine wants to join EU and tries to move away from Russia as much as possible, so most people are looking towards European integration, but at the same time many are homophobic and it will take time. But Ukraine has suffered so much during the Stalin repressions and soviet Union times and no Russia, hope one day there will be peace and that country will be prosperous
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    Jul 30, 2015 3:39 AM GMT
    AttisXVI saidIt's not a social experiment if you know how its going to turn out. It's just causing trouble. Trolling.
    It's neither trolling nor a social experiment. It's two guys willing to stand up against the mob and basically become martyrs for our cause. They're doing the exact same thing the Stonewall group did, just in a different way.
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    Jul 30, 2015 5:14 AM GMT
    It does look rather silly. Rarely see it though.
  • mar0302

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    Jul 30, 2015 5:16 AM GMT
    I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't affect me..
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    Jul 30, 2015 5:29 AM GMT
    mar0302 saidI don't care what people do as long as it doesn't affect me..
    Are you referring to a physical effect or an emotional effect?
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    Jul 30, 2015 5:33 PM GMT
    I thought the two guys in Russia were actually two heterosexual friends making a point of how hostile people get not knowing you were pretending to be a homosexual couple?

    Then there are the places that put you to death for being one...
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 30, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidIt does look rather silly. Rarely see it though.

    You're missing out.
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    Jul 30, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
    previous life i was in a straight marriage. I choose not to 2nd rate my husband by treating him any different than i treated my wife. As a gay couple we hold hands.

    another comparison:
    your big gay relationship is just as important as what your parents had.
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    Jul 30, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
    While I believe in the right to hold hands, etc., I'm not a fan of it in public.

    When I see a straight couple in public--being all straighty--I rarely see actual couples holding hands unless they're young or brand new in a relationship.

    That silver fox with the blonde buxom thing who keeps kissing her publicly and holding her close while they block the sidewalk: I'm convinced he's cheating on his wife. Why the public display? Does she need comfort, reinforcement? It's theater. And they're drunk.

    When gay men (and women) do it, perhaps early in the relationship it's affection, comfort. But I can't get over the theatrical aspect of it. You're holding hands, you're snuggling, you're pressing each other against the wall like a cologne commercial.

    I don't think it's immoral. I think it's insincere. I think it's for public consumption (and reaction). If you're really comfortable with this person, buy a house together.
  • buddycat

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    Jul 30, 2015 7:03 PM GMT
    If two men want to hold hands in Russia, I suggest they seek asylum somewhere maybe Sweden or the Netherlands.
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 30, 2015 7:10 PM GMT
    CODY4U saidIt does look rather silly. Rarely see it though.


    That kind of silly is good.
    I just came back from a day that included singing the heartbeat song to the guppies at the pet store with my ex.
    Some people are just happy like that. You should try it.


    And it doesn't mean shit what other people think. Not because I want to be a rebel but because it just doesn't matter.
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    Jul 30, 2015 7:30 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said... I rarely see actual couples holding hands unless they're young or brand new in a relationship...

    -we are 6 yesrs into the relationship
    -do you ask them?