Is the decline of the modern “gayborhood” a good thing?

  • metta

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    Jul 29, 2015 9:56 PM GMT
    Is the decline of the modern “gayborhood” a good thing?


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/07/is-the-decline-of-the-modern-gayborhood-a-good-thing/
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    Jul 30, 2015 5:03 AM GMT
    Yes.
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    Jul 30, 2015 5:09 AM GMT
    No! When straights move into our neighborhoods property values plummet.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 30, 2015 6:16 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidNo! When straights move into our neighborhoods property values plummet.


    I'd like to see facts about that. if any exist. Seriously. I'm not being obnoxious about it. I'd just like to see where and how that's happening. I know through old friends who live or have lived in gayborhoods that they are in the process of transforming but no one has really complained about property values declining.




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    Jul 30, 2015 6:37 AM GMT
    Based on a query in Travel about where to find a gay bar, I had recently posted a little thing on Gay Diaspora here

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4088119
    theantijock saidHaving seen venerated gay venues close in various cities with the advent of online community (first forums and then apps), having not witnessed since Wilton another substantial gay ghetto arise out of the ashes of heterocity nightlife, even as population continues to increase and ever more come out of their various LGB&T closets, having recently learned that Daytona Beach, not a large city by any stretch but also not a small town, no longer has reliable gay nightlife--I was very surprised to learn that--I found particularly interesting this post...

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4086036
    southbeach1500 saidThe entire USA is a "gay friendly" place.

    ...in a thread about that because it highlighted to me a gay diaspora impacting somewhat now and maybe more into the future generations of gays in ways we didn't have to deal with before.

    When I googled "gay diaspora" I found only "739 results" while it seems a bigger issue than that.

    And it must be already pretty frustrating for young gay people because that thread was started by a 22 year old trying to figure out his world. So in an odd sense, it sort of seems that back when we were forced in the closet more, it was easier to meet people face to face, pre-app filters.

    So back to SB's observation, or propaganda haha, however he intended because it seems partially true but also partially bullshit as we know we are not always welcomed everywhere, even here, but that idea, this potential of being free to be who you are openly, this possible obsolescence of gay ghetto, this destruction of gay public nightlife whether by online forum or apps or closing of gay bars or hetero incursions into gay bars, it really seems like broadcasting of gay seed, not into neighborhood victory gardens but out into the north forty and I wonder what that harvest will be.


    If I was younger, I'd be just as frustrated as that young man who asked in Travel where is a bar in Daytona. I was so surprised that they lost their bars.

    Even where we had a large gay population, we'd lose our locations over the years.

    We lost our stand on Lauderdale beach when the Marlin closed. We lost our stand on Las Olas when Cathode Ray closed (not long after Bea Arthur was there, by the way). We lost Backstreets downtown to the str8s. Hell, we pretty much lost Key West.

    So even while other ghettos were forming (whether that was Wilton boosted by the bubble or Gaybor City interrupted by the crash) the gayborhood was sometimes a vagabond village. But at least we had that and that was before apps.

    People like to credit the demise of the gay bar to our being more so accepted and that might be part of it but I kind of think mostly it's electronic.

    Is it a good thing? Who knows where a thing is going to wind up? What the next generation will make of it. But I have to wonder: what's better, having 500 facebook friends or knowing 20 guys even if you mostly just see them but regularly so for shooting pool at the bars? I tend to think the in person stuff is better.
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    Jul 30, 2015 6:51 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidNo! When straights move into our neighborhoods property values plummet.


    I'd like to see facts about that. if any exist. Seriously. I'm not being obnoxious about it. I'd just like to see where and how that's happening. I know through old friends who live or have lived in gayborhoods that they are in the process of transforming but no one has really complained about property values declining.






    It was a joke.

    That's what happens when black people move into your neighborhood.

    Speaking of black people in our neighborhood, where's pazzy? I miss him.
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    Jul 30, 2015 12:22 PM GMT
    metta8 saidIs the decline of the modern “gayborhood” a good thing?

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/07/is-the-decline-of-the-modern-gayborhood-a-good-thing/

    Seems to me it's the OLD gayborhood that has declined, and a NEW gayborhood that's taken its place in many locales.

    And what my older gay friends tell me is that modern gay communities are more publicly out, with rainbow flags flying everywhere, and less designed as they once were to deal with police raids and homophobic attacks. I'd call that an improvement.

    Gayborhoods also tend to grow & diminish based on economics, and to migrate over time, not always disappear. Gays move into a depressed, rundown area and buy property at reduced prices, then improve it. Over time straights and real estate developers begin moving in and buying up what the gays created, reselling it at much higher prices and pushing the less affluent gays out.

    Examples of that would be Miami Beach and its South Beach section, and Key West. In the case of SoBe the result was to cause the gayborhood to migrate northward. First to parts of mainland Miami, then to Fort Lauderdale, and now to Wilton Manors.

    I tell our gay friends it's only a matter of time before Gay Central also leaves Wilton Manors for another place, as the same cycle continues. Once the straights discover what a great place we've created for ourselves, they move in and buy it all up. Some of that is happening already in WM.

    In the case of Key West, however, there's really no place to go on the other smaller Keys. There's little actually gay left in Key West, and that's happened rapidly in the 8 years I've lived in South Florida.

    The multiple gay & lesbian guest houses & clubs I knew are almost all gone, bought up by outside investors and converted to straight establishments. And residential real estate prices and costs of living have skyrocketed. You've gotta have deep pockets to buy & live in KW now.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 30, 2015 12:57 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    bobbobbob said
    UndercoverMan saidNo! When straights move into our neighborhoods property values plummet.


    I'd like to see facts about that. if any exist. Seriously. I'm not being obnoxious about it. I'd just like to see where and how that's happening. I know through old friends who live or have lived in gayborhoods that they are in the process of transforming but no one has really complained about property values declining.






    It was a joke.

    That's what happens when black people move into your neighborhood.

    Speaking of black people in our neighborhood, where's pazzy? I miss him.
    Dont worry, Pazzy will be back screaming, cussing, and ranting away pushing his blood pressure into ionospheric levels.icon_cool.gif
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 31, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    UndercoverMan saidNo! When straights move into our neighborhoods property values plummet.


    I'd like to see facts about that. if any exist. Seriously. I'm not being obnoxious about it. I'd just like to see where and how that's happening. I know through old friends who live or have lived in gayborhoods that they are in the process of transforming but no one has really complained about property values declining.


    It was a joke.

    That's what happens when black people move into your neighborhood. [/quote]

    Well crap! I was hoping you had info on it. I've been looking around for it for maybe 3 years..... there must be isolated examples of it.

    UndercoverMan saidSpeaking of black people in our neighborhood, where's pazzy? I miss him.


    You can mourn Paz here. http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4085900
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    Jul 31, 2015 12:54 AM GMT
    Gayborhoods still exist? icon_eek.gif
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    Jul 31, 2015 1:26 AM GMT
    This again? http://www.realjock.com/gayforums?searchtext=gayborhood