A tourist in the land of the ayatollahs

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    Jul 30, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
    From ayatollahs railing against the Great Satan (aka the United States) to whip-wielding policemen on motorbikes, Iran hasn't presented the most inviting face to the outside world over the last few decades. But a few days ago the UK Foreign Office stopped telling travellers to avoid non-essential trips. So what's it like for a visiting foreigner? Amy Guttman shares her experiences.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33706015

    I'd like to visit Iran, but their anti-gay policies rule it out for me.
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    Jul 31, 2015 3:26 PM GMT
    The conundrum is that the more tolerant, accessible and amenable a place is the more likely it is to have lost its authenticity and spoiled by being overly touristic.
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    Jul 31, 2015 3:43 PM GMT
    SkyMiles said... lost its authenticity and spoiled by being overly touristic


    all this sounds like the winter Olympic Committee looking for a new hell hole to sponsor. Yes; relax and take in the odor of roasting dog on an open pit barbecue.
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    Jul 31, 2015 3:55 PM GMT
    pellaz said
    SkyMiles said... lost its authenticity and spoiled by being overly touristic


    all this sounds like the winter Olympic Committee looking for a new hell hole to sponsor. Yes; relax and take in the odor of roasting dog on an open pit barbecue.


    Or FIFA. Yikes!
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    Jul 31, 2015 5:12 PM GMT
    With the arrests of American and British journalists, one wonders why she should have been so foolish as to go there. Sort of like Russian roulette.

    As for gays traveling there, Iran has more than just anti-gay "policies." They kill every one they find.
  • GingerOH

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    Aug 01, 2015 4:25 AM GMT
    It truly is a shame because that area is so rich in history, culture, art and architecture. Iran has been high on my list to visit if international relations begin to thaw a little bit. Always wanted to see Istafan, Suza, Yazd, and the ruins of Persepolis.
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    Aug 01, 2015 5:06 AM GMT
    All muslim nations are anti-LGBT and Iran is not the only one.
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    Aug 01, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
    GingerOH saidIt truly is a shame because that area is so rich in history, culture, art and architecture. Iran has been high on my list to visit if international relations begin to thaw a little bit. Always wanted to see Istafan, Suza, Yazd, and the ruins of Persepolis.


    +1. I get the picture that 1/2 the country is younger and metropolitan, the other half are old, crispy conservative children of the revolution. Maybe Iran will reach a tipping point, especially if the new treaty holds.
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    Aug 01, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
    SkyMiles saidThe conundrum is that the more tolerant, accessible and amenable a place is the more likely it is to have lost its authenticity and spoiled by being overly touristic.


    Then by all means- Mongolia, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Pakistan, Iran, Latvia, Kuwait, Russia, Venezuela or Bolivia might be places to visit. Their authenticity is in no danger of being spoiled by pesky tourists.

    I have been to many "spoiled" places. If you stick with the tour and never meet a local I agree your visit will not be authentic.
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    Aug 02, 2015 11:55 AM GMT
    HikerSkier said
    With the arrests of American and British journalists, one wonders why she should have been so foolish as to go there. Sort of like Russian roulette.

    As for gays traveling there, Iran has more than just anti-gay "policies." They kill every one they find.


    It is certainly no picnic for gay people in Iran, but to say, "They kill every one they find", is complete nonsense.

    What it's like to be gay in Iran
    http://theweek.com/articles/532005/what-like-gay-iran

    Plenty of journalists go there and not only do they not get arrested, but they have good things to say about the country, (like the BBC's World Affairs Editor, John Simpson).

    John Simpson: Iran is the most charming country on Earth
    For John Simpson, Iran's incredible monuments, dazzling landscapes and hospitable people make it a holiday destination beyond compare
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/travel/44626/john-simpson-iran-is-the-most-charming-country-on-earth.html

    Don't get me wrong, I am no apologist for the Iranian regime, but some people in the West still have a very outdated '1979' view of the place.
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    Aug 02, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
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    HikerSkier said
    With the arrests of American and British journalists, one wonders why she should have been so foolish as to go there. Sort of like Russian roulette.

    As for gays traveling there, Iran has more than just anti-gay "policies." They kill every one they find.


    It is certainly no picnic for gay people in Iran, but to say, "They kill every one they find", is complete nonsense.

    What it's like to be gay in Iran
    http://theweek.com/articles/532005/what-like-gay-iran

    Plenty of journalists go there and not only do they not get arrested, but they have good things to say about the country, (like the BBC's World Affairs Editor, John Simpson).

    John Simpson: Iran is the most charming country on Earth
    For John Simpson, Iran's incredible monuments, dazzling landscapes and hospitable people make it a holiday destination beyond compare
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/travel/44626/john-simpson-iran-is-the-most-charming-country-on-earth.html

    Don't get me wrong, I am no apologist for the Iranian regime, but some people in the West still have a very outdated '1979' view of the place.

    I's a pretty place - so can be North Korea and was The Soviet Union under Stallin.

    Ignore facts all you like

    You are unaware of the many gay men executed there recently - or is just, "Well, Iranians will be Iranian."

    - Just try traveling there and kissing another guy on the street. Not sure whether they would hang you or stone you to death - might depend on the whim of the crowd that week.


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    Aug 02, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
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    Ignore facts all you like

    You are unaware of the many gay men executed there recently - or is just, "Well, Iranians will be Iranian."

    - Just try traveling there and kissing another guy on the street. Not sure whether they would hang you or stone you to death - might depend on the whim of the crowd that week.


    Re-read what I said and then please tell me what 'facts' I was ignoring.
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    Aug 02, 2015 6:32 PM GMT
    One should not demean Iran by staying abreast of relevant news via a gay jock website.

    Instead, do what I do - turn to Bravo TV's "Shahs of Sunset!"

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  • carew28

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    Aug 03, 2015 6:24 PM GMT
    Good luck to anyone planning on spending their vacation in Iran. They're evidently experiencing a heat-wave currently, and the weekend temperature in Bandar Mahshahr was 165 degrees Fahrenheit. I don't know how they survive in it. I just checked the temperature in Tehran online right now, it's 90 degrees, which is somewhat better. It actually gets that hot occasionally right here in New England during the summer, although I absolutely hate it, especially with no air-conditioning.

    I won't be going to Iran anytime soon.