Just curious? Do An Ultra-Orthodox Jewish people hate homos?

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    Jul 30, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
    Six injured in knife attack at Jerusalem gay pride parade



    http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-gay-pride-attack-20150730-story.html
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    Jul 30, 2015 11:00 PM GMT
    That's the first attack of its kind that I've heard of.
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    Jul 31, 2015 1:32 AM GMT
    Most religious extremists hate homos.

    That being said, there are gay and gay-friendly:

    orthodox synagogues https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay+orthodox+synagogue

    mosques https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay+friendly+mosques

    Catholic churches https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay-friendly+catholic+church

    Baptist churches https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay+friendly+baptist+churches

    Mormon churches https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay+friendly+mormon+churches

    Hindu temples https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=gay+friendly+hindu+temples
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    Jul 31, 2015 5:56 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThat's the first attack of its kind that I've heard of.


    It's the second attack by the same guy in the same place. Went to prison for the first gay stabbings. Got released. Did it again.

    For the next time, just watch the first gay parade after he gets released again.
  • hebrewman

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    Jul 31, 2015 8:43 AM GMT
    most ultra anything does.
  • venue35

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    Jul 31, 2015 9:08 AM GMT
    HikerSkier said
    paulflexes saidThat's the first attack of its kind that I've heard of.


    It's the second attack by the same guy in the same place. Went to prison for the first gay stabbings. Got released. Did it again.

    For the next time, just watch the first gay parade after he gets released again.
    how could they release him after something like that????
  • ASHDOD

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    Jul 31, 2015 11:41 AM GMT
    not the first hate crime I'm afraid, the attacker is the same man who attacked pride in 2005 , he was released 3 weeks ago after 10 years in prison and did it again ,MAJOR MAJOR FUCK UP of the police, chief police commander of Jerusalem might lose his job.
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    ultra orthodox don't like gays, but usually they are not violent toward gays, this guy is crazy
  • rdberg1957

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    Jul 31, 2015 1:54 PM GMT
    There are quite a few crazy ultra-orthodox. Usually it comes out in settling in Palenstine illegally.
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    Jul 31, 2015 4:53 PM GMT
    venue35 said
    HikerSkier said
    paulflexes saidThat's the first attack of its kind that I've heard of.


    It's the second attack by the same guy in the same place. Went to prison for the first gay stabbings. Got released. Did it again.

    For the next time, just watch the first gay parade after he gets released again.
    how could they release him after something like that????


    Because he wasn't an Arab?
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    Jul 31, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    rdberg1957 saidThere are quite a few crazy ultra-orthodox. Usually it comes out in settling in Palestine illegally.


    Or in assassinating prime ministers? Wasn't Rabin killed by a an orthodox guy?
  • AttisXVI

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    Jul 31, 2015 5:01 PM GMT
    The Wall Street Journal's front page has a snapshop of him, knife in hand, in the act of stabbing a fleeing girl just as a policeman reaches out to stop him.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 31, 2015 5:22 PM GMT
    Like other people, Jews are individuals. It makes no sense to assume that everyone in a particular group is the same.
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    Jul 31, 2015 7:51 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidLike other people, Jews are individuals. It makes no sense to assume that everyone in a particular group is the same.


    What an eminently sensible comment.
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    Jul 31, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidLike other people, Jews are individuals. It makes no sense to assume that everyone in a particular group is the same.

    Naturally true. It's also true that the culture of a particular group can influence its individual members, so that certain types of behaviours occur more frequently with them than with individuals in the general population.
  • SuntoryTime

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    Jul 31, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
    The thing is the extremists don't see themselves as ultra whatever. They think they're the normal ones.
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 31, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidLike other people, Jews are individuals.


    And ultra orthodox jews are a group. A religious group with extreme views. Hence the ultra and the orthodox.

    Aggression isn't really part of the Jewish faith as much as it is of Christianity and Islam.
    The Torah does call homosexual intercourse "To'evah" which is the same as the Muslim "harram" and the Christian "abomination".
    They are after all all Judeo-Christian faiths that share the same origin.

    That's said, it's not as fashionable in the Jewish faith to preach hatred as it is in Islam and Christianity. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because no one could know that but traditional Jewish faith is more about what you do yourself. Not so much about pointing fingers at others.

    That whole stoning and shunning thing is now the way of the jew.
    There you have it. A sort of kind of rule with a million exceptions. icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 31, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
    CheeseKraut said
    FRE0 saidLike other people, Jews are individuals.


    And ultra orthodox jews are a group. A religious group with extreme views. Hence the ultra and the orthodox.

    Aggression isn't really part of the Jewish faith as much as it is of Christianity and Islam.
    The Torah does call homosexual intercourse "To'evah" which is the same as the Muslim "harram" and the Christian "abomination".
    They are after all all Judeo-Christian faiths that share the same origin.

    That's said, it's not as fashionable in the Jewish faith to preach hatred as it is in Islam and Christianity. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because no one could know that but traditional Jewish faith is more about what you do yourself. Not so much about pointing fingers at others.

    That whole stoning and shunning thing is now the way of the jew.
    There you have it. A sort of kind of rule with a million exceptions. icon_wink.gif


    So they don't want an extreme Islam to drop the.....Yet, they are intolerant of others & freedom of self expression even in a peaceful way???
    ONE WORD........

    HYPOCRITE!
  • CheeseKraut

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    Jul 31, 2015 8:38 PM GMT
    right. just like everybody else.
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    Jul 31, 2015 8:52 PM GMT
    CheeseKraut saidright. just like everybody else.


    Not everyone and not exact....

    My view, personally, has always been. Live and let live! Live in peace and if there are issues, solve reasonably and amicably. It's called COMPROMISE! Not really practiced today so...you maybe right!
  • FRE0

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    Jul 31, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    FRE0 saidLike other people, Jews are individuals. It makes no sense to assume that everyone in a particular group is the same.

    Naturally true. It's also true that the culture of a particular group can influence its individual members, so that certain types of behaviours occur more frequently with them than with individuals in the general population.


    Right; that IS also true.
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    Aug 01, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    CheeseKraut said
    FRE0 saidLike other people, Jews are individuals.


    And ultra orthodox jews are a group. A religious group with extreme views. Hence the ultra and the orthodox.

    Aggression isn't really part of the Jewish faith as much as it is of Christianity and Islam.
    The Torah does call homosexual intercourse "To'evah" which is the same as the Muslim "harram" and the Christian "abomination".
    They are after all all Judeo-Christian faiths that share the same origin.

    That's said, it's not as fashionable in the Jewish faith to preach hatred as it is in Islam and Christianity. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because no one could know that but traditional Jewish faith is more about what you do yourself. Not so much about pointing fingers at others.

    That whole stoning and shunning thing is now the way of the jew.
    There you have it. A sort of kind of rule with a million exceptions. icon_wink.gif


    It is likely that what the Bible had in mind was same-sex rape, not sex as part of a loving relationship between consenting adults. Male rape does occur in times of warfare and it was probably much more common in ancient times. It was a way to degrade and humiliate the enemy. With some google searches, one can see that even now it is happening in Africa and that the raped man is commonly rejected by both his wife and his village.
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    Aug 01, 2015 12:37 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    It is likely that what the Bible had in mind was same-sex rape, not sex as part of a loving relationship between consenting adults. Male rape does occur in times of warfare and it was probably much more common in ancient times. It was a way to degrade and humiliate the enemy. With some google searches, one can see that even now it is happening in Africa and that the raped man is commonly rejected by both his wife and his village.

    I remember reading the Pearl S. Buck novel "Dragon Seed" when I was about age 12, c. 1961. Published in 1942, it was in my parents' library at home. I read it secretly, because I knew most of their books were "adult" (meaning "grown up", not porno) that I wasn't supposed to touch.

    It involves the Japanese Imperial Army's invasion of China, and their activities in & around Nanking in 1937 (the infamous "Rape of Nanking"), along with the impact on the simple Chinese peasants of the countryside.

    In one episode a teenage boy of the principal Chinese peasant family in the story is captured by Japanese soldiers, and "used like a woman", if I remember the line correctly after all these years. The 1944 Hollywood movie version obliquely portrays it, but with brief shadows, that readers of the book would have understood.

    At age 12 I initially didn't know what that meant. At that point I wasn't entirely clear what a woman being used like a woman really meant, either, though I sorta had an idea. How could you use a man like that? But I logically worked it out, and realized that the horror of rape could happen to men, too.

    Because of that fictional novel I continued throughout my life to view male anal sex as a painful violation to be avoided. It wasn't until I came out and met gay men who told me anal sex could be pleasurable that I was able to put that image to rest, at least when it's consensual.
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    Aug 01, 2015 12:40 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidLike other people, Jews are individuals. It makes no sense to assume that everyone in a particular group is the same.
    Exactly. This guy proves that very well. Instead of trying to legally fuck people out of money, he just stabs them. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 02, 2015 5:31 PM GMT
    One of the victims, a 16-year-old girl, has now died of her stab wounds. Given the killer's previous conviction for an earlier gay pride parade attack, for which he served 10 years, I would imagine he'll get life this time. Unless he manages a successful insanity defense. But at the risk of making other ultra-orthodox Jews seem nuts, too.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/teen-girl-dies-days-stabbed-jerusalem-gay-pride/story?id=32835632