Who has a higher divorce rate?

  • 1AlanZSky

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    Jul 31, 2015 1:52 PM GMT
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    Is it true?
    As an atheist I can find it plausible. But data can be skewed. Those who believe in God probably do not treat other humans as their equal because they see God as their answer. On the hand, secular humanists tend to be realistic and practical. Am I missing something?

    Maybe Christians marry early? Atheists and the non religious folk learn the ropes and place heavy emphasis on human experience and happiness in relation to themselves as opposed to what God wants?

    I need more data. Do you believe in this data? That the non religious has a lower divorce rate? On the face of it, this seems like good news for atheists and agnostics.

    It is emphasised that Christians see traditional marriage as sanctity and special in the eyes of God and so it should be higher? So why?
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Jul 31, 2015 1:57 PM GMT
    I have an idea...

    The traditional marriage excludes feminism and equality. The man is the breadwinner. As economies expand we earn more and so if the wife earns less or does not have a better job than before, the family will suffer.

    Nowadays we seek equal partnerships in terms of finance because who pays the bills?

    The emphasis on traditional marriage means that financially they cannot support as much compared with two equally egalitarian people.

    With the support of an egalitarian society we seek financial advice before proceeding and so the proponents of traditional marriage will eventually fade away.
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    Jul 31, 2015 3:06 PM GMT
    couples that have been together for 3 years have a lower divorce rate. Dont think Catholics can wait that long.

  • Falconcc_24

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    Jul 31, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
    I have no idea if religion and faith have anything to say, but I do wonder if there's a significant difference based on orientation.
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    Jul 31, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    Meh, it seems every day there is a new study saying x group is better than y why group because of z. I believe the vast majority of these stories are biased and are done to push a narrative.
  • bobbobbob

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    Jul 31, 2015 9:15 PM GMT
    1AlanZSky said

    Is it true?
    As an atheist I can find it plausible. But data can be skewed.
    Those who believe in God probably do not treat other humans as their equal because they see God as their answer.
    On the hand, secular humanists tend to be realistic and practical.
    Am I missing something?

    Maybe Christians marry early?
    Atheists and the non religious folk learn the ropes and place heavy emphasis on human experience and happiness in relation to themselves as opposed to what God wants?

    I need more data.
    Do you believe in this data?
    That the non religious has a lower divorce rate?

    It is emphasised that Christians see traditional marriage as sanctity and special in the eyes of God and so it should be higher? So why?


    You're over thinking it and yes you are missing something... several somethings in fact...
    1. Stop thinking of "christians" as being god's cookie cutter people.
    A.) There are some who get married in churches and always make it to services twice on Sunday as well as Wednesday evenings.
    B.) There are some who get married in churches but seldom go to church after that.
    C.) There are some who get married in churches just to please parents and never attend services. All are clumped together in the numbers.

    All are considered christians and identify themselves as christian when asked.

    Group A is the smallest but the one with the least divorces due to brainwashing 3 times a week. However groups B & C out number them and have more divorces.

    Also - If you examine the concept of marriage in 21st century denominations of christianity you'll find that a great deal of it is very unrealistic, with goals set so high there's no means of accomplishing them.

    Most atheists and agnostics are smart enough to know better than to do that.


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    Jul 31, 2015 10:42 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said

    You're over thinking it and yes you are missing something... several somethings in fact...


    The article actually addresses the types of Christians: Baptists, more or less nearest the Bible belt. Less fundie Christians were less likely to divorce. The ones who were more likely were the ones, through pressure by family/religion, encouraged younger marriages to curtail out-of-wedlock sex and pregnancies. The younger the wedded, the less financially & emotionally secure, and the more likely to divorce.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 31, 2015 11:54 PM GMT
    Since Jesus himself forbids divorce, one would expect extreme literalists and fundamentalists to have a lower divorce rate, but apparently that is not the case.

    In ancient times, a divorced woman was in a very difficult situation. Often she had no way to support herself. That may be why Jesus forbade divorce, but conditions have changed and we should take that into consideration. Even so, a good life-long marriage is the ideal.

    Clinging tenaciously to a rule without bothering to understand why the rule was established in the first place makes no sense when it is obviously harmful.
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    Aug 01, 2015 12:07 AM GMT
    "Traditional" Christian marriage puts the man in charge. I believe it was the US Southern Baptists who affirmed this formally a few years ago, admonishing wives to "obey" their husbands.

    Given such authority & latitude, it wouldn't be surprising if some men took advantage of this superior position to be abusive to their wives, dismissive of their wishes, and unfaithful to them. All common causes of marital breakdown & divorce.

    I have no evidence or studies to support that theory, but it would seem logical.
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    Aug 01, 2015 12:32 AM GMT
    1AlanZSky saidWho has a higher divorce rate?
    Married people...because all studies ever conducted on divorce show that only married people get divorced.
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    FRE0 saidSince Jesus himself forbids divorce, one would expect extreme literalists and fundamentalists to have a lower divorce rate, but apparently that is not the case.

    In ancient times, a divorced woman was in a very difficult situation. Often she had no way to support herself. That may be why Jesus forbade divorce, but conditions have changed and we should take that into consideration. Even so, a good life-long marriage is the ideal.

    Clinging tenaciously to a rule without bothering to understand why the rule was established in the first place makes no sense when it is obviously harmful.


    Here is my take on Christian marriage and why the Church and Jesus forbid divorce: the union of a man and woman and the child born of that union more closely resembles the life of the Blessed Trinity more so than anything else in creation. God is creative. Creation is an act of love. The Father utters a word and it is created: Let there be light and there was light. The Father contemplates himself and his "Son" is "created." This is why Jesus' incarnation is referred to as "the Word made flesh." As Christians say in the creed the Son is "god from god, light from light, begotten not made, one in being with the Father." Now, the Father and the Son contemplate each other and the Holy Spirit is the result of the love the Father has for the Son and that of the Son for the Father. In the creed, we say the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father and the Son." This bond of love cannot be broken. It is the model for Christian love between a man and a woman and any offspring from their union. That is why the Church does not allow divorce (canonical) and will only make a decree that a valid marriage never took place from the beginning. This is why one may obtain a civil divorce and separate from the other spouse but may not remarry unless the marriage is declared never to have existed (annulled).
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Aug 01, 2015 8:11 AM GMT
    Ok. Very interesting. Let's hope gay marriage doesn't have too many divorces.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Aug 01, 2015 8:13 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    1AlanZSky saidWho has a higher divorce rate?
    Married people...because all studies ever conducted on divorce show that only married people get divorced.


    Not all married people get divorced.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Aug 01, 2015 8:14 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    1AlanZSky said

    Is it true?
    As an atheist I can find it plausible. But data can be skewed.
    Those who believe in God probably do not treat other humans as their equal because they see God as their answer.
    On the hand, secular humanists tend to be realistic and practical.
    Am I missing something?

    Maybe Christians marry early?
    Atheists and the non religious folk learn the ropes and place heavy emphasis on human experience and happiness in relation to themselves as opposed to what God wants?

    I need more data.
    Do you believe in this data?
    That the non religious has a lower divorce rate?

    It is emphasised that Christians see traditional marriage as sanctity and special in the eyes of God and so it should be higher? So why?


    You're over thinking it and yes you are missing something... several somethings in fact...
    1. Stop thinking of "christians" as being god's cookie cutter people.
    A.) There are some who get married in churches and always make it to services twice on Sunday as well as Wednesday evenings.
    B.) There are some who get married in churches but seldom go to church after that.
    C.) There are some who get married in churches just to please parents and never attend services. All are clumped together in the numbers.

    All are considered christians and identify themselves as christian when asked.

    Group A is the smallest but the one with the least divorces due to brainwashing 3 times a week. However groups B & C out number them and have more divorces.

    Also - If you examine the concept of marriage in 21st century denominations of christianity you'll find that a great deal of it is very unrealistic, with goals set so high there's no means of accomplishing them.

    Most atheists and agnostics are smart enough to know better than to do that.





    True... Christianity sets very high expectations. As if we are gods which we are not.
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    Aug 01, 2015 1:13 PM GMT
    1AlanZSky said
    bobbobbob said
    1AlanZSky said


    True... Christianity sets very high expectations. As if we are gods which we are not.


    Mat 5:48 - "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

    MK 10:24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it isn to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

    MK 10:26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, "Who then can be saved?"

    MK 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."
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    Aug 01, 2015 2:20 PM GMT
    1AlanZSky saidOk. Very interesting. Let's hope gay marriage doesn't have too many divorces.


    I suspect in time gay marriages will end in divorce in the same rate as hetero ones. We are as human as heteros and are not some higher evolved species. We make mistakes, stumble and fall. The important thing is to learn, grow, love and forgive ourselves.
  • bobbobbob

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    Aug 01, 2015 5:22 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    1AlanZSky saidOk. Very interesting. Let's hope gay marriage doesn't have too many divorces.


    I suspect in time gay marriages will end in divorce in the same rate as hetero ones. We are as human as heteros and are not some higher evolved species. We make mistakes, stumble and fall. The important thing is to learn, grow, love and forgive ourselves.


    I'll go one step further and predict that we're going to see a massive number of divorces amongst gays who rushed to become fashionably wed as soon as it became legal. In fact it's probably already begun. As soon as it became legal here in Florida we had a tsumnami of giddy gays from other states rushing to tie the knot. Out of the ones I know, there were four former young couples who came down for Memorial Day who'd already called it quits.

    LOL... now wait until they find out getting legally divorced is at least 1000 times more expensive than getting married. .... Kids... Kids being trendy... what can I say?
  • FRE0

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    Aug 01, 2015 7:02 PM GMT
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    FRE0 saidSince Jesus himself forbids divorce, one would expect extreme literalists and fundamentalists to have a lower divorce rate, but apparently that is not the case.

    In ancient times, a divorced woman was in a very difficult situation. Often she had no way to support herself. That may be why Jesus forbade divorce, but conditions have changed and we should take that into consideration. Even so, a good life-long marriage is the ideal.

    Clinging tenaciously to a rule without bothering to understand why the rule was established in the first place makes no sense when it is obviously harmful.


    Here is my take on Christian marriage and why the Church and Jesus forbid divorce: the union of a man and woman and the child born of that union more closely resembles the life of the Blessed Trinity more so than anything else in creation. God is creative. Creation is an act of love. The Father utters a word and it is created: Let there be light and there was light. The Father contemplates himself and his "Son" is "created." This is why Jesus' incarnation is referred to as "the Word made flesh." As Christians say in the creed the Son is "god from god, light from light, begotten not made, one in being with the Father." Now, the Father and the Son contemplate each other and the Holy Spirit is the result of the love the Father has for the Son and that of the Son for the Father. In the creed, we say the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father and the Son." This bond of love cannot be broken. It is the model for Christian love between a man and a woman and any offspring from their union. That is why the Church does not allow divorce (canonical) and will only make a decree that a valid marriage never took place from the beginning. This is why one may obtain a civil divorce and separate from the other spouse but may not remarry unless the marriage is declared never to have existed (annulled).


    It is unclear what you mean by "the church" as if there is only one. Also, you have included the filioque in your quotation from the Nicene Creed, but the filioque was added later and is not universally accepted.

    Actually, I am much more concerned about how people treat each other than I am with theological details.
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    Aug 02, 2015 12:20 AM GMT
    True there are other churches but there is only one true Church.

    The Filioque may have been added but it is perfectly logical.
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    Aug 02, 2015 2:45 AM GMT
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    paulflexes said
    1AlanZSky saidWho has a higher divorce rate?
    Married people...because all studies ever conducted on divorce show that only married people get divorced.


    Not all married people get divorced.
    True, but the only ones who get divorced are married, so I'll just blame divorce on marriage cause it wouldn't happen if they were single. icon_razz.gif