Snake Handling Christian Bitten By Rattler, Refuses Treatment, Promptly Dies

  • metta

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    Jul 31, 2015 2:00 PM GMT
    Snake Handling Christian Bitten By Rattler, Refuses Treatment, Promptly Dies


    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/07/29/snake-handling-christian-bitten-by-rattler-refuses-treatment-promptly-dies/
  • metta

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    Jul 31, 2015 2:00 PM GMT
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    Jul 31, 2015 6:59 PM GMT
    If only it had happened before...

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2410154

    Also, whatever happened to the son of that other KY/TN-area preacher that died a couple years ago? He tried to make a "reality" TV show out of it, but thingssssssssssssssss got real quiet after that!
  • NealJohn

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    Jul 31, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
    This is why we should never attempt God or seek a sign; has nothing to do with true faith.
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    Jul 31, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    article: "Four hours later, at his brothers’s house, he passed away"

    So is the brother going to be brought up on charges for his hand in the death?

    Where are the conservatives who complained that we love lions too much?

    For how long is insanity going to be wrapped up in religion, that someone would be allowed to let his brother die in the name of Jesus by rattlesnake bite instead of rushing him to the hospital?

    Is this freedom of religion? Human sacrifice is now acceptable?
  • Suetonius

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    Jul 31, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
    theantijock saidarticle: "Four hours later, at his brothers’s house, he passed away"

    So is the brother going to be brought up on charges for his hand in the death?

    Where are the conservatives who complained that we love lions too much?

    For how long is insanity going to be wrapped up in religion, that someone would be allowed to let his brother die in the name of Jesus by rattlesnake bite instead of rushing him to the hospital?

    Is this freedom of religion? Human sacrifice is now acceptable?


    The dead guy could have been a Christian Scientist.
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    Jul 31, 2015 10:12 PM GMT
    Where do these people come from? I mean a fuckin snake. Get real. icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 31, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
    Suetonius said
    theantijock saidarticle: "Four hours later, at his brothers’s house, he passed away"

    So is the brother going to be brought up on charges for his hand in the death?

    Where are the conservatives who complained that we love lions too much?

    For how long is insanity going to be wrapped up in religion, that someone would be allowed to let his brother die in the name of Jesus by rattlesnake bite instead of rushing him to the hospital?

    Is this freedom of religion? Human sacrifice is now acceptable?


    The dead guy could have been a Christian Scientist.


    To me this speaks less to a belief in God and more to a belief in the suspension of laws of physics. This is Wile E Coyote stepping off the cliff and waiting there, mid air, for the Roadrunner to zoom by and go beep beep before the fall. How is this not cartoon crazy?

    So while you want leeway for people to enjoy their beliefs as long as practicing them doesn't harm others, how is housing a guy dying of snake poison a protected religious freedom?

    This is especially crazy considering the Schriavo case with that asshole Bush keeping the brain dead alive yet the GOP would allow this guy to die in Jesus's name? What the fucking fuck is that?!?

    It's insanity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science#Child_deaths.2C_prosecutions
  • BuggEyedSprit...

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    Jul 31, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    1 down...
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    Jul 31, 2015 11:20 PM GMT
    BuggEyedSprite said1 down...


    +1
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    Jul 31, 2015 11:24 PM GMT
    Another example of how the Scriptures in the wrong hands can be deadly. Luckily, he only killed himself.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jul 31, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
    Are conservatives getting even dumber?
  • FRE0

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    Jul 31, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
    Suetonius said
    theantijock saidarticle: "Four hours later, at his brothers’s house, he passed away"

    So is the brother going to be brought up on charges for his hand in the death?

    Where are the conservatives who complained that we love lions too much?

    For how long is insanity going to be wrapped up in religion, that someone would be allowed to let his brother die in the name of Jesus by rattlesnake bite instead of rushing him to the hospital?

    Is this freedom of religion? Human sacrifice is now acceptable?


    The dead guy could have been a Christian Scientist.


    Have they made any important scientific discoveries?
  • jeepguySD

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    Aug 01, 2015 12:30 AM GMT
    From the King James Bible:

    Mark 16:18

    They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


    It is, in this case, quite literally a test of faith. It is no surprise that science won and faith lost. Poorly informed decisions have consequences -- unfortunately, sometimes those consequences are deadly. Yet, I'm guessing that the pastor and his congregation have already found ways to rationalize this man's death without jeopardizing their dogma.

    Knowledge and reason are power to protect one's self from this sort of lunacy.

    I wonder how Mr. Brock will be eulogized?
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    Aug 01, 2015 12:37 AM GMT
    metta8 saidSnake Handling Christian Bitten By Rattler, Refuses Treatment, Promptly Dies
    Good
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    jeepguySD saidFrom the King James Bible:

    Mark 16:18

    They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


    It is, in this case, quite literally a test of faith. It is no surprise that science won and faith lost. Poorly informed decisions have consequences -- unfortunately, sometimes those consequences are deadly. Yet, I'm guessing that the pastor and his congregation have already found ways to rationalize this man's death without jeopardizing their dogma.

    Knowledge and reason are power to protect one's self from this sort of lunacy.

    I wonder how Mr. Brock will be eulogized?

    The King James Bible is not clear if taking up serpents ALLOWS them to drink any deadly thing, or if that's a separate ability they have.

    Are there any sects that have interpreted the New Testament to mean that true believers can drink any poisons harmlessly? That would be interesting. How come these demonstrations of faith are limited to snakes, but not poisons?
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    Aug 01, 2015 1:29 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidAre conservatives getting even dumber?


    They would have to be. Or, maybe it's something in the water there drinking. icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 01, 2015 1:52 AM GMT
    kscott6671 saidWhere do these people come from? I mean a fuckin snake. Get real. icon_confused.gif


    There are crazy people and there are Christians. There's a difference. He was a crazy person.

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    Aug 01, 2015 2:02 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    jeepguySD saidFrom the King James Bible:

    Mark 16:18

    They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


    It is, in this case, quite literally a test of faith. It is no surprise that science won and faith lost. Poorly informed decisions have consequences -- unfortunately, sometimes those consequences are deadly. Yet, I'm guessing that the pastor and his congregation have already found ways to rationalize this man's death without jeopardizing their dogma.

    Knowledge and reason are power to protect one's self from this sort of lunacy.

    I wonder how Mr. Brock will be eulogized?

    The King James Bible is not clear if taking up serpents ALLOWS them to drink any deadly thing, or if that's a separate ability they have.

    Are there any sects that have interpreted the New Testament to mean that true believers can drink any poisons harmlessly? That would be interesting. How come these demonstrations of faith are limited to snakes, but not poisons?


    My take on Mark 16:18 is that it means that a person of faith need fear neither venomous serpents nor poisons because God will protect the faithful from harm.

    For the record, I do not share this belief.
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    Aug 01, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
    metta8 saidSnake Handling Christian Bitten By Rattler, Refuses Treatment, Promptly Dies


    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/07/29/snake-handling-christian-bitten-by-rattler-refuses-treatment-promptly-dies/


    Darwinism at work...
  • FRE0

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    Aug 01, 2015 6:50 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    metta8 saidSnake Handling Christian Bitten By Rattler, Refuses Treatment, Promptly Dies
    Good


    Your post is unfortunate. Of course what he did made no sense, but cheering someone's death is inappropriate.
  • FRE0

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    Aug 01, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    jeepguySD saidFrom the King James Bible:

    Mark 16:18

    They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


    It is, in this case, quite literally a test of faith. It is no surprise that science won and faith lost. Poorly informed decisions have consequences -- unfortunately, sometimes those consequences are deadly. Yet, I'm guessing that the pastor and his congregation have already found ways to rationalize this man's death without jeopardizing their dogma.

    Knowledge and reason are power to protect one's self from this sort of lunacy.

    I wonder how Mr. Brock will be eulogized?

    The King James Bible is not clear if taking up serpents ALLOWS them to drink any deadly thing, or if that's a separate ability they have.

    Are there any sects that have interpreted the New Testament to mean that true believers can drink any poisons harmlessly? That would be interesting. How come these demonstrations of faith are limited to snakes, but not poisons?


    Here is one commentary about handling snakes:

    http://www.gotquestions.org/snake-handling.html

    From the link:

    "First, the practice of handling snakes for the purpose of “proving” one’s faith (or proving God’s protection) is a violation of God’s command not to put Him to the test: “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test’” (Matthew 4:7; cf. Deuteronomy 6:16). Trying to force God’s hand by requiring that He perform an obvious miracle is more than foolish; it is sinful. To test God’s presence and power by purposely placing oneself in an unsafe situation is expressly forbidden in Scripture. Daniel did not seek out the lions, but when he found himself surrounded by them, through no fault of his own, he found God was there. Likewise, we trust God in dangerous situations, but we never purposely seek out danger.

    "Second, it is important to remember that there are serious questions regarding whether verses 9–20 of Mark 16 belong in the Bible. The evidence suggests that these verses were not originally part of the Gospel of Mark. Some of the oldest and most reliable Greek manuscripts do not contain verses 9–20. Other manuscripts contain verses 9–20 but set them apart from the rest of the Gospel. The most likely explanation is that Mark 16:9–20 is an interpolation. As a result, it is unwise to use anything from Mark 16:9–20 as the sole basis for any doctrine or practice. Snake handling is one such example of a dubious concept drawn from Mark 16:9–20. For more information, please see our article “Should Mark 16:9–20 be in the Bible?”"
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    FRE0 said
    paulflexes said
    metta8 saidSnake Handling Christian Bitten By Rattler, Refuses Treatment, Promptly Dies
    Good


    Your post is unfortunate. Of course what he did made no sense, but cheering someone's death is inappropriate.


    Better he die and serve a lesson of folly to his congregation than some poor kid actually take his lunatic teachings to heart and end up dead. I'd MUCH rather that guy die than he live to lead other scared and vulnerable people down the path of irrationality.
  • bobbobbob

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    Aug 01, 2015 8:31 PM GMT


    I just made a note to start collecting rattlesnakes (plentiful around here) and start exporting them to Jenson, Kentucky.

    I hope them have a full blown snake handling tent revival.
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    Aug 01, 2015 8:32 PM GMT


    KissTheSky saidAre conservatives getting even dumber?


    No but your questions sure are.