Donald Trump Attacks as Republican Rivals Court Donors at Koch Retreat

  • metta

    Posts: 39133

    Aug 03, 2015 4:07 AM GMT
    Donald Trump Attacks as Republican Rivals Court Donors at Koch Retreat






    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/03/us/politics/donald-trump-attacks-as-republican-rivals-court-donors-at-koch-retreat.html
  • bobbobbob

    Posts: 2812

    Aug 03, 2015 4:39 AM GMT

    More stupid bullshit....


    ‘Evil’ Koch Brothers Rank #59 in Political Donations Behind 18 Different Unions

    2.) Am. Fedn of State, Co. & Mun. Employees $60,667,379
    4.) National Education Assn $53,594,488
    7.) Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $44,478,789
    8.) United Auto Workers $41,667,858
    9.) Carpenters & Joiners Union $39,260,371
    10.) Service Employees International Union $38,395,690
    11.) Laborers Union $37,494,010
    12.) American Federation of Teachers $36,713,325
    13.) Communications Workers of America $36,188,135
    14.) Teamsters Union $36,123,209
    16.) United Food & Commercial Workers Union $33,756,550
    20.) Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $31,313,097
    23.) AFL-CIO $30,938,977
    32.) National Assn of Letter Carriers $26,106,359
    39.) Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $23,886,248
    42.) Operating Engineers Union $23,036,848
    43.) International Assn of Fire Fighters $22,963,260
    46.) Sheet Metal Workers Union $22,372,978

    59.) Koch Industries $18,083,948


    [url]http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/evil-koch-brothers-rank-59-in-political-donations-behind-18-different-unions/#![/url]
  • Hypertrophile

    Posts: 1021

    Aug 03, 2015 7:16 AM GMT
    The chart above and the article from which it comes pops up from time to time on this forum so it should be noted that the data it contains does not support the claim that, I'll paraphrase, the Koch Brothers are not among the biggest political contributors in the country, if not the biggest, and are not polluting the election.

    There is some information in the Gateway Pundit article by Jeff Hoft that has been omitted, and connections made where there are none. First, the article references the Koch's 501(c)(4) organization, Americans for Prosperity, and alleged attempts by congressional Democrats to have the IRS "crack down" on them and other conservative organizations. While this is indeed where most of the Koch money flows, the article spends no further time discussing it.

    Instead, the article then includes a list of organizations from an OpenSecrets survey whose employees and members have made individual political contributions, ranking the employees of Koch Industries 59th, behind the members of 18 unions who have contributed to Democratic candidates and causes. These are individual donations of $2700.00 or less per employee, the current legal limit. Note that it is Koch Industries that is listed, not Americans for Prosperity.

    I will emphasize here that these are donations from the employees and members of these organizations, and they are supporting Democrats primarily. The article also excluded the employees of the remaining 40 organizations that are not unions, the majority of whom also support Democratic candidates and causes.

    Note also that Hoft draws no line from Americans For Prosperity to the list of contributors from OpenSecrets other than having simply mentioned them at the top of the article. OpenSecrets on the other hand emphasizes the fact that the list does not include contributions to 501(c) organizations, such as Americans For Prosperity, because, "Unlike other political organizations, they are not required to disclose the corporate and individual donors that make their spending possible."

    Currently, OpenSecrets has Koch Industries ranked 48th, not 59th, and that is for all election cycles from 2002 to 2014. If you look at each individual cycle, Koch Industries doesn't appear until 2014, where they are ranked 14th.

    So, when we look at all of the omitted information and all of the data provided in the links, we see that the claim that it proves Koch's are not among the biggest contributors, if not the biggest, and are not polluting the democratic process, is false. The article is simply ignoring the bulk of what the Koch Brothers have pledged to invest in their political agenda, which has been widely reported to be just shy of $900 Million this cycle.

    This is the link to the source material, also found in the article from Gateway Pundit: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=ALL

    Cliffs:

    The Gateway Pundit article attempts to show that the Koch Brothers are not as financially involved in politics as some would lead you to believe, and not nearly as much as, say, labor unions.

    To do so, the article lists only individual donations made by Koch Industry employees, and not donations made through Americans For Prosperity or other 501(c) organizations. It is through these organizations that most of the Koch money is funneled.

    The article also ignores the Koch Brother's pledge to contribute nearly $900 Million in this election cycle.

    The information omitted and ignored by the author refute the claim he's trying to make.
  • bobbobbob

    Posts: 2812

    Aug 03, 2015 8:55 AM GMT
    Everything in the comment above that the writer accuses the Koch Brothers of is being done by supporters of the Democratic party. His line about "Unlike other political organizations, they are not required to disclose the corporate and individual donors that make their spending possible." applies EQUALLY to contributors to BOTH parties and it being used by contributors to both parties.

  • Hypertrophile

    Posts: 1021

    Aug 03, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
    While the laws regulating campaign contributions and 510(c) charities in particular apply equally to all, the application of the law is not equal between organizations that support Democratic candidates and those that support Republican candidates. Conservative groups are taking advantage of the horrendous Citizen's United decision at a greater rate than liberal groups.

    From the article in the OP:

    "A New York Times analysis of Federal Election Commission reports and Internal Revenue Service records shows that the fund-raising arms race has made most of the presidential hopefuls deeply dependent on a small pool of the richest Americans. The concentration of donors is greatest on the Republican side, according to the Times analysis, where consultants and lawyers have pushed more aggressively to exploit the looser fund-raising rules that have fueled the rise of super PACs. Just 130 or so families and their businesses provided more than half the money raised through June by Republican candidates and their super PACs."

    Further, the Koch brothers have held more command performances of candidates than anyone else in this cycle, a testimony to the power their money holds over the GOP and their voters. There is nobody else that compares, on either side.
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    Aug 03, 2015 7:04 PM GMT
    Physiqueflex saidThe chart above and the article from which it comes pops up from time to time on this forum so it should be noted that the data it contains does not support the claim that, I'll paraphrase, the Koch Brothers are not among the biggest political contributors in the country, if not the biggest, and are not polluting the election.

    There is some information in the Gateway Pundit article by Jeff Hoft that has been omitted, and connections made where there are none. First, the article references the Koch's 501(c)(4) organization, Americans for Prosperity, and alleged attempts by congressional Democrats to have the IRS "crack down" on them and other conservative organizations. While this is indeed where most of the Koch money flows, the article spends no further time discussing it.

    Instead, the article then includes a list of organizations from an OpenSecrets survey whose employees and members have made individual political contributions, ranking the employees of Koch Industries 59th, behind the members of 18 unions who have contributed to Democratic candidates and causes. These are individual donations of $2700.00 or less per employee, the current legal limit. Note that it is Koch Industries that is listed, not Americans for Prosperity.

    I will emphasize here that these are donations from the employees and members of these organizations, and they are supporting Democrats primarily. The article also excluded the employees of the remaining 40 organizations that are not unions, the majority of whom also support Democratic candidates and causes.

    Note also that Hoft draws no line from Americans For Prosperity to the list of contributors from OpenSecrets other than having simply mentioned them at the top of the article. OpenSecrets on the other hand emphasizes the fact that the list does not include contributions to 501(c) organizations, such as Americans For Prosperity, because, "Unlike other political organizations, they are not required to disclose the corporate and individual donors that make their spending possible."

    Currently, OpenSecrets has Koch Industries ranked 48th, not 59th, and that is for all election cycles from 2002 to 2014. If you look at each individual cycle, Koch Industries doesn't appear until 2014, where they are ranked 14th.

    So, when we look at all of the omitted information and all of the data provided in the links, we see that the claim that it proves Koch's are not among the biggest contributors, if not the biggest, and are not polluting the democratic process, is false. The article is simply ignoring the bulk of what the Koch Brothers have pledged to invest in their political agenda, which has been widely reported to be just shy of $900 Million this cycle.

    This is the link to the source material, also found in the article from Gateway Pundit: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=ALL

    Cliffs:

    The Gateway Pundit article attempts to show that the Koch Brothers are not as financially involved in politics as some would lead you to believe, and not nearly as much as, say, labor unions.

    To do so, the article lists only individual donations made by Koch Industry employees, and not donations made through Americans For Prosperity or other 501(c) organizations. It is through these organizations that most of the Koch money is funneled.

    The article also ignores the Koch Brother's pledge to contribute nearly $900 Million in this election cycle.

    The information omitted and ignored by the author refute the claim he's trying to make.


    I enjoy RJ precisely for thorough stuff like this. Thank you!
  • tazzari

    Posts: 2937

    Aug 03, 2015 11:40 PM GMT
    dayumm said
    Physiqueflex saidThe chart above and the article from which it comes pops up from time to time on this forum so it should be noted that the data it contains does not support the claim that, I'll paraphrase, the Koch Brothers are not among the biggest political contributors in the country, if not the biggest, and are not polluting the election.

    There is some information in the Gateway Pundit article by Jeff Hoft that has been omitted, and connections made where there are none. First, the article references the Koch's 501(c)(4) organization, Americans for Prosperity, and alleged attempts by congressional Democrats to have the IRS "crack down" on them and other conservative organizations. While this is indeed where most of the Koch money flows, the article spends no further time discussing it.

    Instead, the article then includes a list of organizations from an OpenSecrets survey whose employees and members have made individual political contributions, ranking the employees of Koch Industries 59th, behind the members of 18 unions who have contributed to Democratic candidates and causes. These are individual donations of $2700.00 or less per employee, the current legal limit. Note that it is Koch Industries that is listed, not Americans for Prosperity.

    I will emphasize here that these are donations from the employees and members of these organizations, and they are supporting Democrats primarily. The article also excluded the employees of the remaining 40 organizations that are not unions, the majority of whom also support Democratic candidates and causes.

    Note also that Hoft draws no line from Americans For Prosperity to the list of contributors from OpenSecrets other than having simply mentioned them at the top of the article. OpenSecrets on the other hand emphasizes the fact that the list does not include contributions to 501(c) organizations, such as Americans For Prosperity, because, "Unlike other political organizations, they are not required to disclose the corporate and individual donors that make their spending possible."

    Currently, OpenSecrets has Koch Industries ranked 48th, not 59th, and that is for all election cycles from 2002 to 2014. If you look at each individual cycle, Koch Industries doesn't appear until 2014, where they are ranked 14th.

    So, when we look at all of the omitted information and all of the data provided in the links, we see that the claim that it proves Koch's are not among the biggest contributors, if not the biggest, and are not polluting the democratic process, is false. The article is simply ignoring the bulk of what the Koch Brothers have pledged to invest in their political agenda, which has been widely reported to be just shy of $900 Million this cycle.

    This is the link to the source material, also found in the article from Gateway Pundit: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=ALL

    Cliffs:

    The Gateway Pundit article attempts to show that the Koch Brothers are not as financially involved in politics as some would lead you to believe, and not nearly as much as, say, labor unions.

    To do so, the article lists only individual donations made by Koch Industry employees, and not donations made through Americans For Prosperity or other 501(c) organizations. It is through these organizations that most of the Koch money is funneled.

    The article also ignores the Koch Brother's pledge to contribute nearly $900 Million in this election cycle.

    The information omitted and ignored by the author refute the claim he's trying to make.


    I enjoy RJ precisely for thorough stuff like this. Thank you!


    Thanks for that - exactly the way I feel. There are some very well-informed and thoughtful people here!
  • metta

    Posts: 39133

    Aug 04, 2015 1:38 AM GMT
    Mainstream Media Won't Name Koch Donors, But We Will


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lauren-windsor/mainstream-media-wont-nam_b_7928646.html