racial segregation

  • giodude

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    Aug 03, 2015 7:38 PM GMT
    YUPP it's another one of these, guys!

    So getting to the point, I was at an event for LGBTQIA and whatever the fuck else people can come up with recently, and there was a large crowd of people there. However, something that caught my attention was that every time a white gay male entered the room, they'd gravitate towards the other white guys and they'd stick to each other like grains of stickyrice and refuse to interact with anyone else.

    I considered that maybe they felt intimidated by the sheer amount of people of colour there (not that that is a reason to be intimidated) but after witnessing attempts by many different people to include the white boys in the festivities and merriment, they ended up resigning themselves to their own little corner - leaving only to fetch wine and snacks or the occasional stint at the karaoke mic.

    Later on I had a conversation with another LGBTQIA event habitue and he said that white gay men (not lesbians) had the tendency to simply exclude themselves at such events not only at university, but in broader cape town society as well, and thus was the general consensus of the gay men at the table where the discussion took place.

    Is this a thing where y'all live or is it just here?
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 03, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
    They should have assigned seating, like in fifth grade we sat boy, girl, boy, girl. The trick is to never let two white people sit together.
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    Aug 03, 2015 8:37 PM GMT
    Stickyrice?
    Karaoke?
    These are all Asian activities, presumably, yes?
  • SuntoryTime

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    Aug 04, 2015 5:09 AM GMT
    That's sad. Ever asked any of the white guys why?
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    Aug 04, 2015 5:18 AM GMT
    Of course they were gonna try to "include the white boys", that;'s because they all want the white boys! lol
    Would they have done the same effort to include black or asian guys? According to the MANY threads in RJ, I dont think so!

    ps: its completly natural to want to stick around with people that look like you. Happens everywhere in neighbohoods, music, prison, etc. As long as no one is disrespecting anybody they can do whatever they want. I agree some diversity is good but people are adults they might chose who to hang out with, the least we need is a dictatorship telling us where to sit and with whom to talk to!

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    Aug 04, 2015 5:23 AM GMT
    giodude saidIs this a thing where y'all live or is it just here?
    It's a "thing" everywhere. If you want it to change, start the change by befriending other races and not ditching them when you're around people of your own race.
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    Aug 04, 2015 5:29 AM GMT
    I have not really experienced that. Where I live there isn't a huge gay community and the community that is here is fairly diverse, diverse enough where self-segregation is a hard thing to do.
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    Aug 04, 2015 6:46 AM GMT
    giodude saidYUPP it's another one of these, guys!

    So getting to the point, I was at an event for LGBTQIA and whatever the fuck else people can come up with recently, and there was a large crowd of people there. However, something that caught my attention was that every time a white gay male entered the room, they'd gravitate towards the other white guys and they'd stick to each other like grains of stickyrice and refuse to interact with anyone else.

    I considered that maybe they felt intimidated by the sheer amount of people of colour there (not that that is a reason to be intimidated) but after witnessing attempts by many different people to include the white boys in the festivities and merriment, they ended up resigning themselves to their own little corner - leaving only to fetch wine and snacks or the occasional stint at the karaoke mic.

    Later on I had a conversation with another LGBTQIA event habitue and he said that white gay men (not lesbians) had the tendency to simply exclude themselves at such events not only at university, but in broader cape town society as well, and thus was the general consensus of the gay men at the table where the discussion took place.

    Is this a thing where y'all live or is it just here?

    Maybe it's just your location. Didn't apartheid exist until the 90s? What you're experiencing might be some latent aftereffects of growing up in segregation. Give it another decade or so, and maybe things will improve.
  • giodude

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    Aug 04, 2015 1:28 PM GMT
    the reason why i find it strange is because i've only ever witnessed it in the gay community. Amongst the wider society,especially the younger generations, colour ain't no thang. I;ve often sat in groups of asians, black people, white people, indians, brasilians and arabs and we've gotten along swimmingly
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 04, 2015 1:31 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    giodude saidIs this a thing where y'all live or is it just here?
    It's a "thing" everywhere. If you want it to change, start the change by befriending other races and not ditching them when you're around people of your own race.
    Good, valid pointicon_exclaim.gif +200,000
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    Aug 04, 2015 2:01 PM GMT
    xrichx said
    Maybe it's just your location. Didn't apartheid exist until the 90s? What you're experiencing might be some latent aftereffects of growing up in segregation. Give it another decade or so, and maybe things will improve.

    That's what I was wondering.
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    Aug 04, 2015 2:15 PM GMT
    giodude saidthe reason why i find it strange is because i've only ever witnessed it in the gay community. Amongst the wider society,especially the younger generations, colour ain't no thang. I;ve often sat in groups of asians, black people, white people, indians, brasilians and arabs and we've gotten along swimmingly


    I Agree, and most noticeably, in LA. One would think that in a community as diverse as LA, you wouldn't see much of that.

    My grandson just turned 21 and I was over at his place last night in a small town north of Columbus. Among his friends also over there were two whites, Chinese, Indian and black. Made no difference to anyone. There's even a homosexual and his really flaming now spouse as part of that group (not there last night). And all of this is in what Forbes named as the 11th most conservative county in the country. Things are changing.
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 04, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
    SuntoryTime saidThat's sad. Ever asked any of the white guys why?

    Camouflage? Like it's easier and less intimidating to blend in with a flock???

    But it's also kind of bland and boring to be stuck in a monochromatic color scheme.icon_sad.gif

    I think a diverse society is a more progressive society, and it affords us a better chance for each of us to assert our individuality.

    For people who are procreating, that means more genetic diversity. For artists and connoisseurs, it means expanding our generation's cultural diversity, which I think is just as important to our progress if not our survival.icon_razz.gif
  • FRE0

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    Aug 04, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThey should have assigned seating, like in fifth grade we sat boy, girl, boy, girl. The trick is to never let two white people sit together.


    Alternating races like that is called salt and pepper seating. My sister learned about that when she was doing her internship at a VA hospital.
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    Aug 05, 2015 12:43 AM GMT
    Well without talking to them to find out, we're just stuck assuming and blaming, which is kind of pointless. When I went to college, I was "straight" (lol) and everyone self-segregated a little. The more outgoing people and athletes tended to mix way more. Many of the introverts took longer.

    It could've been the topics of conversation, the type of music or interests, or anything that would've caused them to congregate. We wouldn't be able to see those dynamics, however. We can only see color.
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 05, 2015 3:19 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidWell without talking to them to find out, we're just stuck assuming and blaming, which is kind of pointless. When I went to college, I was "straight" (lol) and everyone self-segregated a little. The more outgoing people and athletes tended to mix way more. Many of the introverts took longer.

    It could've been the topics of conversation, the type of music or interests, or anything that would've caused them to congregate. We wouldn't be able to see those dynamics, however. We can only see color.

    I think when society stops being segregated, we'll stop only seeing color, and start noticing the finer details. Really color is no bigger of a deal than height or shoe size. Someone's mom looks like someone's mom, not a color.

    I think in the future it will seem bizarre to be in groups separated by color, like a movie where everyone happens to be a freckled redhead would seem weird. Diversity looks more normal. Places where everyone looks the same are the old world.

    I'm not sure if it's worthwhile asking white people why they all sit together, as much as it is to point out how absurd it looks when everyone at a table is the same color.

    It's like the emperor has no clothes weird.

    There's just so much more than color to tell us apart that color is irrelevant. Where someone is from, their music, interests, age/gender/sexual orientation are actually bigger differences than anything skin deep.
  • SuntoryTime

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    Aug 05, 2015 4:19 AM GMT
    The worst thing about people only sticking with people that look like them is that they become prisoners in an echo chamber they can't even see. Eventually, the other group becomes the enemy because conflict will happen no matter why.

    Throughout human history, groups have tried their damndest to stick to their "own kind" and instead end up clashing, intermingling, or mixing with other groups despite all their rules and attitudes. The question is is how much conflict must occur before the inevitable comes to be?
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    Aug 05, 2015 11:45 AM GMT
    giodude saidYUPP it's another one of these, guys!

    So getting to the point, I was at an event for LGBTQIA and whatever the fuck else people can come up with recently, and there was a large crowd of people there. However, something that caught my attention was that every time a white gay male entered the room, they'd gravitate towards the other white guys and they'd stick to each other like grains of stickyrice and refuse to interact with anyone else.

    I considered that maybe they felt intimidated by the sheer amount of people of colour there (not that that is a reason to be intimidated) but after witnessing attempts by many different people to include the white boys in the festivities and merriment, they ended up resigning themselves to their own little corner - leaving only to fetch wine and snacks or the occasional stint at the karaoke mic.

    Later on I had a conversation with another LGBTQIA event habitue and he said that white gay men (not lesbians) had the tendency to simply exclude themselves at such events not only at university, but in broader cape town society as well, and thus was the general consensus of the gay men at the table where the discussion took place.

    Is this a thing where y'all live or is it just here?


    that is usually the norm everywhere. It's not just in your situation. Observe it in the wider population and you will note the same thing.
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    Aug 05, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
    you're missing a few! last I read, it was LGBTQQIA2S. even Google doesn't seem to know what the 2 and S are for.

    there's a difference between congregating and segregating. it's perfectly normal and "okay" to gravitate towards people that look more familiar to what you're used to, especially when you're in an environment where you don't know many people. i'd imagine if the white guys you describe were really that intimidated by the amount of color there, they would have just left.