Kasich steals Bush's thunder

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    Aug 07, 2015 12:36 PM GMT
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/john-kasich-steals-establishment-momentum-from-jeb-bush-20150807

    I was concerned enough six months ago about the possibility of Kasich running, and running well, that I didn't buy a house on his street, that I was interested in, a few doors down from him.

    What a clusterfuck that would be with Secret Service, media, etc all over the place. I still walk once a day regardless of what time, which generally ends up being 2:00 or 3:00 am before I get out to do it. I bet the secret service would love me.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • bobbobbob

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    Aug 07, 2015 2:12 PM GMT
    YES Kasich really shined last night. I was impressed with. He'd had so little air time I'd gotten the impression he'd be a stammering wallflower. WRONG.

    I honestly expected Trump to implode worse than he did. The moderators were hard on him but he should have been prepared for it. He really blew it with the snide remark he made to Megyn Kelly. I expect he'll be dropping in the next poll.

    The high point for me was in the "Happy Hour" debate with Carly Fiorina making the show she did. She may not make it this time around but she's only 60 and next time around will have solid name recognition. She ought to skyrocket in the next polls.

    And even Rubio out shined Jeb. The fact that Jeb came across as the champion of mediocrity and banality was real nice.

    As for Trump, I hope he stays in long enough to push the paradigm further on the issues that he's hit like no one else has.
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    Aug 07, 2015 2:17 PM GMT
    bobbobbob said
    The high point for me was in the "Happy Hour" debate with Carly Fiorina making the show she did. She may not make it this time around but she's only 60 and next time around will have solid name recognition. She ought to skyrocket in the next polls.

    I can see the ads now. "Carly---so she can do to the country what she did to Hewlett-Packard!"
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 07, 2015 2:36 PM GMT
    I agree that Kasich did very well and emerged as a truly likable candidate. Most the candidates seemed to play it safe and came off as almost bland, or maybe that was just compared to Trump who was anything but. I think the big loser of the night was Rand Paul -- Trump put it perfectly with his condescending "You're having a hard time tonight".

    In my opinion, the biggest disappointment of the night was FOX NEWS . The whole thing came off so biased and agenda-driven (Image that from FOX --- HA!). I thought Trump probably won the debate, if for no other reason than he didn't let FOX, namely Megan Kelly, or the tone of the questions aimed at him ruffle his feather one iota. If anything, he doubled down. Loved that he had the balls to not make any pledge to the GOP to support their nominee or not run as a 3rd Party candidate should he not be the nominee. Trump cow-tows to no one, hence why he's the front-runner --- at least for now.
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    Aug 07, 2015 2:37 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidYES Kasich really shined last night. I was impressed with. He'd had so little air time I'd gotten the impression he'd be a stammering wallflower. WRONG.

    I honestly expected Trump to implode worse than he did. The moderators were hard on him but he should have been prepared for it. He really blew it with the snide remark he made to Megyn Kelly. I expect he'll be dropping in the next poll.

    The high point for me was in the "Happy Hour" debate with Carly Fiorina making the show she did. She may not make it this time around but she's only 60 and next time around will have solid name recognition. She ought to skyrocket in the next polls.

    And even Rubio out shined Jeb. The fact that Jeb came across as the champion of mediocrity and banality was real nice.

    As for Trump, I hope he stays in long enough to push the paradigm further on the issues that he's hit like no one else has.


    Rubio is very fast on his feet. He was really really good, but I don't think it's his time yet. I'd like to see him run for governor and serve for a term or two. He's just a kid so he has plenty of time left.

    Kasich who can be a little nasty at times, has that right balance of administrative and legislative experience and sat on a few of the right committees in congress. I'm much more interested.

    Bush was a little rusty and has been out of office too long. I'll wait and see if he can up his game by the next debate.

    "He really blew it with the snide remark he made to Megyn Kelly"

    In re Trump, I don't like the name calling there any better than I do here on RJ. Is there anyone that Trump doesn't get in a fight with? Talk about thin skinned.

    If he won, it would be a four year replay of him versus Rosie.

    Plus the backmail that if he doesn't get his way, he'll leave the party and run as an independent making it almost impossible for the GOP to win.

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    Aug 07, 2015 2:47 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said

    Plus the backmail that if he doesn't get his way, he'll leave the party and run as an independent making it almost impossible for the GOP to win.


    I don't think it's blackmail, I think it's making a bold statement that the GOP, not to mention most politicians in general, are a mixed bag of do-nothings with no impressive true leader among them. Why should Donald Trump cow-tow to their wishes and make any pledges at this time if he doesn't know the eventual candidate will be someone he would want to support? I think the question itself set the tone from the get-go that Donald Trump, the clear front-runner, is a loose canon who is beholden to no one and he will say and do what he pleases, and if that means not marching to the GOP drum, so be it. Supporters of Trump like Donald, the Rogue Candidate.
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    Aug 07, 2015 2:56 PM GMT
    In general all the candidates did reasonably well. I enjoyed the exchange between Christie and Paul on surveillance. Trump showed candor when he admitted that he used the bankruptcy laws/regs to his advantage. I do think that Fox and the hosts had a hidden agenda that's adverse to Trump (i.e., drive Trump out of the competition), and I believe that they failed to accomplish that. All in all, it was entertaining, albeit lacking in substance.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said
    Plus the backmail that if he doesn't get his way, he'll leave the party and run as an independent making it almost impossible for the GOP to win.

    I don't think it's blackmail, I think it's making a bold statement that the GOP, not to mention most politicians in general, are a mixed bag of do-nothings with no impressive true leader among them. Why should Donald Trump cow-tow to their wishes and make any pledges at this time if he doesn't know the eventual candidate will be someone he would want to support? I think the question itself set the tone from the get-go that Donald Trump, the clear front-runner, is a loose canon who is beholden to no one and he will say and do what he pleases, and if that means not marching to the GOP drum, so be it. Supporters of Trump like Donald, the Rogue Candidate.

    Trump had previously stated he would not take any options off the table, and it would have been ridiculous for him to have done so last night. I think the Fox team knew that and the question was showmanship.

    Trump is known for being a negotiator and making deals. His whole premise is you don't start out taking options off the table, as Obama/Kerry/Clinton have done so many times.
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    DOMINUS saidIn general all the candidates did reasonably well. I enjoyed the exchange between Christie and Paul on surveillance. Trump showed candor when he admitted that he used the bankruptcy laws/regs to his advantage. I do think that Fox and the hosts had a hidden agenda that's adverse to Trump (i.e., drive Trump out of the competition), and I believe that they failed to accomplish that. All in all, it was entertaining, albeit lacking in substance.


    " I enjoyed the exchange between Christie and Paul on surveillance."

    There's where there was real room for honest disagreement ... big time disagreement. That was a good little show because it was an honest conflict.
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    Aug 07, 2015 3:07 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said
    Plus the backmail that if he doesn't get his way, he'll leave the party and run as an independent making it almost impossible for the GOP to win.

    I don't think it's blackmail, I think it's making a bold statement that the GOP, not to mention most politicians in general, are a mixed bag of do-nothings with no impressive true leader among them. Why should Donald Trump cow-tow to their wishes and make any pledges at this time if he doesn't know the eventual candidate will be someone he would want to support? I think the question itself set the tone from the get-go that Donald Trump, the clear front-runner, is a loose canon who is beholden to no one and he will say and do what he pleases, and if that means not marching to the GOP drum, so be it. Supporters of Trump like Donald, the Rogue Candidate.

    Trump had previously stated he would not take any options off the table, and it would have been ridiculous for him to have done so last night. I think the Fox team knew that and the question was showmanship.

    Trump is known for being a negotiator and making deals. His whole premise is you don't start out taking options off the table, as Obama/Kerry/Clinton have done so many times.


    Agree, but it's been his childish comments "if they're nice to me" that are a huge turnoff to me.
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    Aug 07, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
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    Supporters of Trump like Donald, the Rogue Candidate.

    Supporters of McCain & Palin liked themselves being "maverick" candidates in 2008. Rogue & maverick don't necessarily equate to universal voter appeal, nor are they good predictors of political leadership.

    Trump can bully his way through business, but bullying his way through US government and international relations has no chance of success. But I do love how he's disrupting the Republican primary process, and undermining their chances for success in 2016. Go Donald! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 07, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree said
    Plus the backmail that if he doesn't get his way, he'll leave the party and run as an independent making it almost impossible for the GOP to win.

    I don't think it's blackmail, I think it's making a bold statement that the GOP, not to mention most politicians in general, are a mixed bag of do-nothings with no impressive true leader among them. Why should Donald Trump cow-tow to their wishes and make any pledges at this time if he doesn't know the eventual candidate will be someone he would want to support? I think the question itself set the tone from the get-go that Donald Trump, the clear front-runner, is a loose canon who is beholden to no one and he will say and do what he pleases, and if that means not marching to the GOP drum, so be it. Supporters of Trump like Donald, the Rogue Candidate.

    Trump had previously stated he would not take any options off the table, and it would have been ridiculous for him to have done so last night. I think the Fox team knew that and the question was showmanship.

    Trump is known for being a negotiator and making deals. His whole premise is you don't start out taking options off the table, as Obama/Kerry/Clinton have done so many times.


    Agree, but it's been his childish comments "if they're nice to me" that are a huge turnoff to me.

    In fact, had he agreed by not raising his hand, he would have been widely criticized as caving and showing weakness. I don't see his position as a threat. From the outset, when asked about the possibility he tried to downplay it by saying his intent was to run as a Republican. He just doesn't take options off the table. Ok -so he says things that are brash. Much more refreshing than the carefully scripted threading the needle lies from a Clinton or Obama, or the PC comments by many other politicians.

    Added: As much as I like Megyn, she was playing gotcha and deserved the comments.
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    Aug 07, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Supporters of Trump like Donald, the Rogue Candidate.

    Supporters of McCain & Palin liked themselves being "maverick" candidates in 2008. Rogue & maverick don't necessarily equate to universal voter appeal, nor are they good predictors of political leadership.

    Trump can bully his way through business, but bullying his way through US government and international relations has no chance of success. But I do love how he's disrupting the Republican primary process, and undermining their chances for success in 2016. Go Donald! icon_biggrin.gif

    From your nonsensical comments, it's hard to believe you were ever in the military. Well I guess being MP doesn't mean you have to know about foreign relations. As far as disruption - your hero Hillary isn't doing all that well, bozo.
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    Art_Deco said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Supporters of Trump like Donald, the Rogue Candidate.

    Supporters of McCain & Palin liked them being "maverick" candidates in 2008. Rogue & maverick don't necessarily equate to universal voter appeal, nor are predictors of political leadership.

    Trump can bully his way through business, but bullying his way through US government and international relations has no chance of success. But I do love how he's disrupting the Republican primary process, and undermining their chances for success in 2016. Go Donald! icon_biggrin.gif


    He really pissed a bunch of us off regarding the approval process of Trump National Golf Club in RPV. That was about 1,400' directly below my house at the time and right next to our beloved Portuguese Bend neeeeked beach.

    He, obviously bullied his way to victory.

    Last night though, I think the debate really helped the Republican Party in that we have the number of solid reasonable candidates that we do, Trump excepted.

    I was quite impressed overall with the candidates and even more impressed with Fox News' conduct of the debate.
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    Aug 07, 2015 3:20 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidRogue & maverick don't necessarily equate to universal voter appeal, nor are they good predictors of political leadership.


    I agree to a point. That said, I think we are treading very close here to unchartered territory. Donald Trump, like him or loathe him, is appealing to ever-broadening faction of American voters that are just plain fed-up with politics as usual. I don't think anyone really knows how this will play out. It would be one thing if Hillary was gliding along unscathed while this GOP sideshow rolls along, but that's not how her campaign seems to be going to the surprise of many. We could end up with our next President being someone who hasn't even declared candidacy yet.
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    Aug 07, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said

    Last night though, I think the debate really helped the Republican Party in that we have the number of solid reasonable candidates that we do, Trump excepted.

    I was quite impressed overall with the candidates and even more impressed with Fox News' conduct of the debate.


    I had the opposite opinion. I thought it was glaring as to how few of the 10 actually looked like someone who could be President or a commanding leader, and I thought FOX NEWS should be ashamed of themselves for their obvious bias for or against certain candidates, and questions that were driving their own agenda.
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    freedomisntfree said

    Last night though, I think the debate really helped the Republican Party in that we have the number of solid reasonable candidates that we do, Trump excepted.

    I was quite impressed overall with the candidates and even more impressed with Fox News' conduct of the debate.


    I had the opposite opinion. I thought it was glaring as to how few of the 10 actually looked like someone who could be President or a commanding leader, and I thought FOX NEWS should be ashamed of themselves for their obvious bias for or against certain candidates, and questions that were driving their own agenda.


    http://mediaequalizer.com/brian-maloney/2015/08/liberals-cnn-agree-fox-did-a-great-job
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    Aug 07, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
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    Aug 07, 2015 7:00 PM GMT
    Really? Bush has thunder? He usually sounds dumber and more incoherent than his idiot brother.
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    Aug 07, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidReally? Bush has thunder? He usually sounds dumber and more incoherent than his idiot brother.


    Btw,

    "John Kasich Is Stealing Jeb Bush's Thunder"

    Not my words.
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    MarvinMartian saidI'm new here and I'm still trying to figure out the players.
    Socalfitness - Everything that happens is good for Republicans one way or another.
    Art Deco - Republicans are the root of most if not all evil.
    Southbeach - Everything that Art Deco likes, he hates. Including apparently the man himself.
    Mil_8: Gadfly (and fellow non-American) commentator, seems to have good sense and is awfully cute (oops, did I type that?)
    Freedomisntfree - Reflexive right-winger, but civil and pleasant
    Bobbbobbbbbbob - Complete horrorshow. Lashes out like a psycho at the drop of a hat. Never be in a movie theater with this one.
    CuriousJockAZ - You just know he was a cheerleader in high school.



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    Whatever you lack in understanding American politics, you make up with keen psychological evaluations.
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    Aug 07, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
    " Donald Trump, like him or loathe him, is appealing to ever-broadening faction of American voters that are just plain fed-up with politics as usual. "


    I think there's a certain number who feel "THINGS CAN'T GET ANY WORSE---So let's vote for the Billionaire, the Janitor, The PornStar----anybody but someone with experience in government!"

    It's a way of thinking I would associate with someone who has nothing left to lose in his life. Who knows, maybe Trump will get a huge turnout of the Homeless.
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    Aug 07, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
    MarvinMartian saidI'm new here and I'm still trying to figure out the players.
    Socalfitness - Everything that happens is good for Republicans one way or another.
    Art Deco - Republicans are the root of most if not all evil.
    Southbeach - Everything that Art Deco likes, he hates. Including apparently the man himself.
    Mil_8: Gadfly (and fellow non-American) commentator, seems to have good sense and is awfully cute (oops, did I type that?)
    Freedomisntfree - Reflexive right-winger, but civil and pleasant
    Bobbbobbbbbbob - Complete horrorshow. Lashes out like a psycho at the drop of a hat. Never be in a movie theater with this one.
    CuriousJockAZ - You just know he was a cheerleader in high school.

    Curious that you only seem to recognize white guys as players. There are so many gay men of color who contribute to these threads, typically with the most rational and least vitriolic comments... (although troyathlete can eviscerate an opponent like no other).
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    MarvinMartian saidI'm new here and I'm still trying to figure out the players.
    Socalfitness - Everything that happens is good for Republicans one way or another.
    Art Deco - Republicans are the root of most if not all evil.
    Southbeach - Everything that Art Deco likes, he hates. Including apparently the man himself.
    Mil_8: Gadfly (and fellow non-American) commentator, seems to have good sense and is awfully cute (oops, did I type that?)
    Freedomisntfree - Reflexive right-winger, but civil and pleasant
    Bobbbobbbbbbob - Complete horrorshow. Lashes out like a psycho at the drop of a hat. Never be in a movie theater with this one.
    CuriousJockAZ - You just know he was a cheerleader in high school.

    Curious that you only seem to recognize white guys as players. There are so many gay men of color who contribute to these threads, typically with the most rational and least vitriolic comments... (although troyathlete can eviscerate an opponent like no other).


    "men of color"

    Yep, I'm pretty damn tan right now.
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    MarvinMartian saidI'm new here and I'm still trying to figure out the players.
    Socalfitness - Everything that happens is good for Republicans one way or another.
    Art Deco - Republicans are the root of most if not all evil.
    Southbeach - Everything that Art Deco likes, he hates. Including apparently the man himself.
    Mil_8: Gadfly (and fellow non-American) commentator, seems to have good sense and is awfully cute (oops, did I type that?)
    Freedomisntfree - Reflexive right-winger, but civil and pleasant
    Bobbbobbbbbbob - Complete horrorshow. Lashes out like a psycho at the drop of a hat. Never be in a movie theater with this one.
    CuriousJockAZ - You just know he was a cheerleader in high school.

    LOL!!! Genuinely clever & funny! icon_lol.gif