The roots of Drag?

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    Aug 13, 2015 9:23 PM GMT
    Where did all this crazy nonsense start?
    When did it start???

    What's your idea on it?

    Milton Burrell?
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    The Rocky Horror Picture Show?
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    It's been around and deep in American CULTure. I was talking to a millennial (young person of this generation) who's very interested in all the crazy fun!
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    Aug 13, 2015 9:45 PM GMT
    I think it goes back 1000's of years, long before written history.
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    Aug 13, 2015 9:46 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think it goes back 1000's of years, long before written history.


    Show me proof????? An ape in a mini skirt??? hahahaa
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    Aug 13, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
    2Bnaked said
    paulflexes saidI think it goes back 1000's of years, long before written history.


    Show me proof????? An ape in a mini skirt??? hahahaa
    I have no proof. That's why I just "think" it.

    However, it's well documented that men used to dress in very flowy and lacey garments before pants were invented.
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    Aug 13, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    2Bnaked said
    paulflexes saidI think it goes back 1000's of years, long before written history.


    Show me proof????? An ape in a mini skirt??? hahahaa
    I have no proof. That's why I just "think" it.

    However, it's well documented that men used to dress in very flowy and lacey garments before pants were invented.
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    I know, but that was just the fashion of the day, right? Was it really drag? I guess any costume or outfit can be called a form of Drag if it's OUTRAGEOUS??
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    Aug 13, 2015 9:56 PM GMT
    Who cares? I just want to know when it will end.
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    Aug 13, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
    2Bnaked said
    paulflexes said
    2Bnaked said
    paulflexes saidI think it goes back 1000's of years, long before written history.


    Show me proof????? An ape in a mini skirt??? hahahaa
    I have no proof. That's why I just "think" it.

    However, it's well documented that men used to dress in very flowy and lacey garments before pants were invented.
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    I know, but that was just the fashion of the day, right? Was it really drag? I guess any costume or outfit can be called a form of Drag if it's OUTRAGEOUS??
    I've seen some clothes in the men's clothing section that could be considered drag. icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 13, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
    The term drag is an acronym "Dressed Resembling A Girl" and comes from Elizabethan times when women weren't allowed on stage. Male actors would play female parts 'in drag'.
    The more you know.
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    Aug 13, 2015 10:12 PM GMT
    The term "drag" arose in either Elizabethan times, or possibly later during the Stewart period. It arose from the prohibition of women appearning on stage, the female roles taken by men. When men wore women's long dresses of that era they "dragged" along the ground. Hence the slang.
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    Aug 13, 2015 10:32 PM GMT
    dont forget Divine from the great movie Pink flamingos
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    Aug 13, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
    Divin was really funny!!!
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    Aug 13, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidThe term drag is an acronym "Dressed Resembling A Girl" and comes from Elizabethan times when women weren't allowed on stage. Male actors would play female parts 'in drag'.
    The more you know.

    Art_Deco saidThe term "drag" arose in either Elizabethan times, or possibly later during the Stewart period. It arose from the prohibition of women appearning on stage, the female roles taken by men. When men wore women's long dresses of that era they "dragged" along the ground. Hence the slang.
    Apparently you're both correct:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(clothing)
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    Aug 13, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
    This is Zulma Lobato, a bizarre old man from Argentina that became famous after appearing in a TV show about 'new talents', lol. The thing is people loved (to laugh about) him so he kept showing on TV, theater and more.
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    Thing is he's crazy for real, and In one interview he had an attack and his mouth got locked in a position and couldn't move. They had to take him to ER and then institutionalize him in a mental facility. And they got it all on tape!

    WARNING this is what nightmares are made of:
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:12 AM GMT
    It's been around a looooong time as evidenced by the biblical prohibition of men dressing as women and vice versa. If it wasn't happening, there would not have been a need for a prohibition.
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:17 AM GMT
    Drag goes back as far as Ancient Greece when men would assume flamboyant female roles because actual women were considered shittier than fake ones.
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:20 AM GMT
    AttisXVI saidDrag goes back as far as Ancient Greece when men would assume flamboyant female roles because actual women were considered shittier than fake ones.
    You're probably correct, but I'd love to see some literature about that. It would be interesting to read about it.
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:21 AM GMT
    And then it was discovered by one of our fellow RJers.

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    Aug 14, 2015 12:23 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    AttisXVI saidDrag goes back as far as Ancient Greece when men would assume flamboyant female roles because actual women were considered shittier than fake ones.
    You're probably correct, but I'd love to see some literature about that. It would be interesting to read about it.


    I have always been intrigued myself. I went a long time ago to my first DRAG performance and found it captivating, funny and a little sad. Seems like an unusual life for the performers.
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:30 AM GMT
    Drag isnt about trying to be something you're not. Its an artform that few have to talent to do. In order to make drag work especially in performance, you have to commit not only to the look, but the persona AND to the music. You have to know how to choose songs and choreograph wisely as well as establish something that makes your character stand out.

    There is a LOT more to it than men in dresses lipsyncing to Donna Summer.
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:31 AM GMT
    AttisXVI saidDrag goes back as far as Ancient Greece when men would assume flamboyant female roles because actual women were considered shittier than fake ones.

    Ive read about Roman emperor Neron that fell in love with a young guy that looked like his dead wife. So in order to preserve the guy's feminine looks he cut his balls (and maybe dick?) and married him. He made him dress as a woman and all. Thing is when Neron died other men passed the boy around as their wife, and in the end the boy killed himself.

    Its important to say that the guy probably never had a choice, they just made him act and perform as a girl his entire life.
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:36 AM GMT
    let's give this pathetic thread something better icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 14, 2015 12:45 AM GMT
    Drag began when the first Neanderthal imitated his woman for the amusement of his buddies by slipping melons under his bear skin and swished his hips around the cave. I think there's a cave painting of it somewhere but I'm not sure.
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    Aug 14, 2015 1:04 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]bonaparts said[/cite]let's give this pathetic thread something better


    Thank you for your contribution. We can always count on you to give us the definition we needed. D R A G???
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    Aug 14, 2015 1:18 AM GMT
    AttisXVI saidDrag isnt about trying to be something you're not. Its an artform that few have to talent to do. In order to make drag work especially in performance, you have to commit not only to the look, but the persona AND to the music. You have to know how to choose songs and choreograph wisely as well as establish something that makes your character stand out.

    There is a LOT more to it than men in dresses lipsyncing to Donna Summer.

    qft

    I'm not a drag queen, but I'm a huge fan. I think RuPaul's Drag Race is the best talent competition on television. All of the contestants have to show such a wide range of performing abilities, from comedy, to runway, singing, acting, dancing, makeup, etc. Any true artist should be able to see the merits of it.

    Moreover, they're in it for more than just a gig. You know nearly all of them started out as boys hiding what they were doing in the closet. Most full time drag queens are poor as dirt because they're starving artists, and they'll do it for free just for the right to do it at all. Also, for all they play at cattiness, the drag community is extremely tight knit and supportive of each other and LGBT rights.

    To prohibit drag, in the Bible or elsewhere, would be akin to prohibiting acting, writing, or free speech.
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    Aug 14, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    By the way this crazy nonsense started with this thread

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