HIV Transmission Facts: Playing the HIV Risk Game is Less Dangerous Than You Think.....and More Dangerous

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    Aug 14, 2015 9:27 PM GMT
    As much as I thought I knew about HIV risks, I learned a lot of new information from this article.

    http://www.poz.com/articles/HIV_risk_2841_25382.shtml
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:01 PM GMT
    “What’s my risk for HIV?” is not the right question.


    Instead, ask yourself:

    “What can I do to enjoy the sex that I want to have but remain free of diseases?”

    ---from the article

    And read the part about Cumulative Risk.
    You have more chance of contracting HIV than you think.
    Read the article and you will WEAR A CONDOM!
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:21 PM GMT
    FitnessWorker said “What’s my risk for HIV?” is not the right question.


    Instead, ask yourself:

    “What can I do to enjoy the sex that I want to have but remain free of diseases?”

    ---from the article

    And read the part about Cumulative Risk.
    You have more chance of contracting HIV than you think.
    Read the article and you will WEAR A CONDOM!

    ^Indeed, better to be safe than sorry!

    Very nice info (though Im still not cutting my dick! icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:21 PM GMT
    FitnessWorker said “What’s my risk for HIV?” is not the right question.


    Instead, ask yourself:

    “What can I do to enjoy the sex that I want to have but remain free of diseases?”

    ---from the article

    And read the part about Cumulative Risk.
    You have more chance of contracting HIV than you think.
    Read the article and you will WEAR A CONDOM!


    Since when is 80% better than 92% or 96%-100%?

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    And I totally DISAGREE with the last bullet:

    ACON does not endorse serosorting in casual sexual encounters as an effective HIV prevention
    strategy for HIV negative men, on the grounds that ascertaining the current HIV negative status of
    even a familiar casual partner is inherently unreliable.


    http://www.acon.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:27 PM GMT
    ^ Since when taking expensive meds, that you have to take every day correctly (or they won't work), and that will affect your organism is better than to use a freaking condom?

    Unless you are a night slut very active in the gay hook up circuit there is not need to take these meds.

    Actually these meds were created for couples where one of them in poz, or for night sluts, and even then they suggest to wear a condom.

    And let alone to bareback ASSUMING the other guy is on meds. That's like the russian roulette. You never know if they're telling the truth or not.

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    Aug 14, 2015 10:27 PM GMT
    " ascertaining the current HIV negative status of
    even a familiar casual partner is inherently unreliable. "



    Which is to say that you can't be sure that the guy who thinks he's negative is indeed Negative.

    I BELIEVE THAT. Don't You?
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    FitnessWorker said" ascertaining the current HIV negative status of
    even a familiar casual partner is inherently unreliable. "



    Which is to say that you can't be sure that the guy who thinks he's negative is indeed Negative.

    I BELIEVE THAT. Don't You?


    Yes, that's why I posted it.
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:53 PM GMT
    I'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.

    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:53 PM GMT
    David666k said^ Since when taking expensive meds, that you have to take every day correctly (or they won't work), and that will affect your organism is better than to use a freaking condom?

    Unless you are a night slut very active in the gay hook up circuit there is not need to take these meds.

    Actually these meds were created for couples where one of them in poz, or for night sluts, and even then they suggest to wear a condom.

    And let alone to bareback ASSUMING the other guy is on meds. That's like the russian roulette. You never know if they're telling the truth or not.



    That's why it's better to take control yourself. Whether it's requiring the use of a condom, taking a pill, having your partner tested twice in a six month period, or etc it's all just ways a guy can use to reduce the chance that they will contract HIV. If some guy prefers to take another pill in the morning and another guy prefers condoms, it doesn't matter because the end result of reducing transmission is received.

    Also, you make being slutty sound like a bad thing. icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
    David666k said^ndom?
    Unless you are a night slut very active.....


    Ah a Truvada Whore proponent!
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
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    David666k said^ Since when taking expensive meds, that you have to take every day correctly (or they won't work), and that will affect your organism is better than to use a freaking condom?

    Unless you are a night slut very active in the gay hook up circuit there is not need to take these meds.

    Actually these meds were created for couples where one of them in poz, or for night sluts, and even then they suggest to wear a condom.

    And let alone to bareback ASSUMING the other guy is on meds. That's like the russian roulette. You never know if they're telling the truth or not.



    That's why it's better to take control yourself. Whether it's requiring the use of a condom, taking a pill, having your partner tested twice in a six month period, or etc it's all just ways a guy can use to reduce the chance that they will contract HIV. If some guy prefers to take another pill in the morning and another guy prefers condoms, it doesn't matter because the end result of reducing transmission is received.

    Also, you make being slutty sound like a bad thing. icon_wink.gif


    Cheers!
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
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    David666k said^ Since when taking expensive meds, that you have to take every day correctly (or they won't work), and that will affect your organism is better than to use a freaking condom?

    Unless you are a night slut very active in the gay hook up circuit there is not need to take these meds.

    Actually these meds were created for couples where one of them in poz, or for night sluts, and even then they suggest to wear a condom.

    And let alone to bareback ASSUMING the other guy is on meds. That's like the russian roulette. You never know if they're telling the truth or not.



    That's why it's better to take control yourself. Whether it's requiring the use of a condom, taking a pill, having your partner tested twice in a six month period, or etc it's all just ways a guy can use to reduce the chance that they will contract HIV. If some guy prefers to take another pill in the morning and another guy prefers condoms, it doesn't matter because the end result of reducing transmission is received.

    Also, you make being slutty sound like a bad thing. icon_wink.gif


    Yeah exactly, they're entitled to take meds or wear condoms. What's important is they KNOW for sure they're protecting themsleves and dont put their health in the hands of strangers.

    PS: Being a slut is not necessarily a bad thing, but it's not healthy either, and we're speaking of health here.
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    Aug 14, 2015 10:59 PM GMT
    Radd saidAs much as I thought I knew about HIV risks, I learned a lot of new information from this article.

    http://www.poz.com/articles/HIV_risk_2841_25382.shtml


    The article starts out comforting, deceptively soothing, then WHAM with the facts haha.icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:02 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    David666k said

    Unless you are a night slut very active in the gay hook up circuit there is not need to take these meds.

    Actually these meds were created for couples where one of them in poz, or for night sluts, and even then they suggest to wear a condom.

    And let alone to bareback ASSUMING the other guy is on meds. That's like the russian roulette. You never know if they're telling the truth or not.


    Sure, it might be possible for someone to lie about being on meds. But that's a bit overkill on your part. There was a time when fraternities and the like would use a pin to poke holes into unused condoms while they were still in the wrapper as an awful prank to pull on each other or competing fraternities. It's still an issue today and is called contraception deception (this is mainly a practice to induce pregnancy - not spread HIV).

    This is all a personal choice for people to minimize their chances of becoming HIV+. Pushing another person into having sex they way you want them to have sex is intimidation. Let people work with their medical professionals to make their own choices.


    Is it me or there is a HIV+ mosquito flying around suggesting that we should blindly trust strangers and their supposedly undetectable status?

    Truth is you will never know what's going on inside the body of another guy, so you better take care of yourself actively, with condoms or meds or abstinence, but YOU act on it, don't put your health on the hands of others.
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:06 PM GMT
    David666k saidI'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.

    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.


    Who says you can never know if someone is undetectable?


    Look at the scientific evidence. The Negative spouse KNOWS their partner is UNDETECTABLE by clinical tests. They haven't gotten HIV.

    I understand your preoccupation with liars (since you are one) and some people do. They also lie about being Negative and being a millionaire.


    Some people are Undetectable


    Some people are Negative


    Some people are Millionaires

    If you believe anything anyone says you are a fool. But with evidence....say in my medical cabinet that has obvious Antivirals. I have years of "HIV Undetectable" tests from Kaiser Permanente.....I am in fact Undetectable.
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
    Is it me or there is a mosquito flying around suggesting that we should blindly trust or dismiss the risk, of strangers and their supposedly undetectable status?

    Why are you preoccupied with strangers? The ACON statement covers that:


    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute ‘safe sex’, provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.


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    David666k saidI'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.

    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.


    Who says you can never know if someone is undetectable?

    ^ Of course you can know the status of another guy! You just have to buy this new HIV x-ray glasses that allow you to take a peek inside the blood system of your hook up and know their status right away: If you see the blood in green it means he's negative, if you see it red he's positive, and if it's blue he's undetectable. This super modern x-ray glasses are awesome!

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    Aug 14, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    David666k said
    Is it me or there is a mosquito flying around suggesting that we should blindly trust or dismiss the risk, of strangers and their supposedly undetectable status?


    It is you. It's you hallucinating more than likely.

    As I clearly stated, and I will say it again:

    Let people consult with their medical professionals on the matter with regard to strategizing an effective plan that works for him or her.

    The facts in the article of the OP have repeated what I and others have said here before. Basically 50,000 HIV infections occur annually in the US. Telling them to use condoms is a message that obviously has failed. If those 50,000 has been using prEP I'm confident we would see a huge decrease in that annual number.


    Or had a partner who were Undetectable! Or both.
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:15 PM GMT
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    David666k saidI'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.

    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.


    Who says you can never know if someone is undetectable?

    ^ Of course you can know the status of another guy! You just have to buy this new x-ray glasses that allow you to take a peek inside the blood system of your hook up and know their status right away: If you see the blood in green it means he's negative, if you see it red it's positive, and if it's blue it mean's he's undetectable. This super modern glasses are awesome!

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    So you say Undetectable is not real?
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:25 PM GMT
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    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k saidI'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.
    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.

    Who says you can never know if someone is undetectable?

    ^ Of course you can know the status of another guy! You just have to buy this new x-ray glasses that allow you to take a peek inside the blood system of your hook up and know their status right away: If you see the blood in green it means he's negative, if you see it red it's positive, and if it's blue it mean's he's undetectable. This super modern glasses are awesome!
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    So you say Undetectable is not real?


    Lol at you trying to focus the attention somewhere else.

    Undetectable is real but there is no way to know whether a guy is undetectable or not. They might say they're undetectable and be liying, or say they're on meds when they're not. You never know what's going so you can't trust what some stranger say about their status.

    This is a very basic, simple concept, though I'm not surprised you in particular don't get it. Not surprised others like you dismiss it as "paranoia" either. Theres a saying 'misery loves company.'
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:28 PM GMT
    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k saidI'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.
    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.

    Who says you can never know if someone is undetectable?

    ^ Of course you can know the status of another guy! You just have to buy this new x-ray glasses that allow you to take a peek inside the blood system of your hook up and know their status right away: If you see the blood in green it means he's negative, if you see it red it's positive, and if it's blue it mean's he's undetectable. This super modern glasses are awesome!
    icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you say Undetectable is not real?


    Lol at you trying to focus the attention somewhere else.

    Undetectable is real but there is no way to know whether a guy is undetectable or not. They might say they're undetectable and be liying, or say they're on meds when they're not. You never know what's going so you can't trust what some stranger say about their status.

    This is a very basic, simple concept, though I'm not surprised you in particular don't get it. Not surprised others similar than you want to dismiss it as "paranoia" either. There a saying 'misery loves company.'


    Why assume they are liars? So all of those couple in Partners, HPTN-052, Opposites Attract, etc....are all being misled? So some are in fact lying? Yet their partners don't get HIV?
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:32 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k saidI'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.
    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.

    Who says you can never know if someone is undetectable?

    ^ Of course you can know the status of another guy! You just have to buy this new x-ray glasses that allow you to take a peek inside the blood system of your hook up and know their status right away: If you see the blood in green it means he's negative, if you see it red it's positive, and if it's blue it mean's he's undetectable. This super modern glasses are awesome!
    icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you say Undetectable is not real?


    Lol at you trying to focus the attention somewhere else.

    Undetectable is real but there is no way to know whether a guy is undetectable or not. They might say they're undetectable and be liying, or say they're on meds when they're not. You never know what's going so you can't trust what some stranger say about their status.

    This is a very basic, simple concept, though I'm not surprised you in particular don't get it. Not surprised others similar than you want to dismiss it as "paranoia" either. There a saying 'misery loves company.'


    Why do assume they are liars?

    Because if you assume they're all telling the truth there will come a time you fuck bareback someone who is actually lying and he will fuck you up. That's why.

    Treat all hook ups as if they were poz, meaning you have to protect yourself; condoms, meds, you pick the method but don't trust strangers unless you want to wake up someday being poz yoursef.
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:39 PM GMT
    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k said
    timmm55 said
    David666k saidI'd just like to point out that you can never know if a person really has an undetectable viral load.
    So basically if you don't wear a condom because you TRUST someone else's negative/undetectable status, you're an idiot.

    Who says you can never know if someone is undetectable?

    ^ Of course you can know the status of another guy! You just have to buy this new x-ray glasses that allow you to take a peek inside the blood system of your hook up and know their status right away: If you see the blood in green it means he's negative, if you see it red it's positive, and if it's blue it mean's he's undetectable. This super modern glasses are awesome!
    icon_rolleyes.gif


    So you say Undetectable is not real?


    Lol at you trying to focus the attention somewhere else.

    Undetectable is real but there is no way to know whether a guy is undetectable or not. They might say they're undetectable and be liying, or say they're on meds when they're not. You never know what's going so you can't trust what some stranger say about their status.

    This is a very basic, simple concept, though I'm not surprised you in particular don't get it. Not surprised others similar than you want to dismiss it as "paranoia" either. There a saying 'misery loves company.'


    Why do assume they are liars?


    Because if you assume they're all telling the truth, there will come a time you fuck someone that is infected and he will fuck you up. That's why.

    Treat all hook ups as if they were POZ, meaning you have protect yourself every time; condoms, meds, you pick the method but don't trust strangers unless you want to wake up with day being poz yoursef.


    If you are Negative and slutting around, sure.
    You forget, I am POZ+ Undetectable, my strategies are different:

    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.

    I don't have your fear of catching something I've already got. If someone tells me they are on PrEP, POZ or Undetectable it doesn't matter to me. I am of no consequence to them, or them to me.

    YOUR SITUATION IS DIFFERENT!
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:41 PM GMT
    ^ Dude no one cares about you or me. This is about a general concept on how to protect against a fucked up virus that targeted the gay community.

    If you are negative make sure you take the necessary precautions to stay negative. Don't put your health at risk in the hands of others. Take care of yourself. As simple as that.
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    Aug 14, 2015 11:51 PM GMT
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    It has nothing to do with dismissing irrelevant paranoia.


    That flying mosquito is once again dismissing the importance of not trusting strangers when they claim a supposedly HIV status.

    I guess the expression "misery loves company" defines some people (and insects) very well.