Canadian Elections

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    Aug 15, 2015 9:36 AM GMT
    Are there any Canadians planning to vote? All the parties seem to be pretty much the same, so I'm not sure whether to bother or not, and my riding (SD@G) always goes blue. I'm pissed at Harper for all his cuts towards veterans, while spending tons of money on commemorating the war of 1812, which the majority of people don't care about.

    I'm thinking of voting for Justin, just because he says he'll legalize cannabis. It's completely ass backwards that it's illegal, a complete waste of time and money, and I think legalizing it is really the only way to balance the budget.
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    Aug 15, 2015 10:59 AM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/the-closing-of-the-canadian-mind.html


    "Americans have traditionally looked to Canada as a liberal haven, with gun control, universal health care and good public education.

    But the nine and half years of Mr. Harper’s tenure have seen the slow-motion erosion of that reputation for open, responsible government.

    His stance has been a know-nothing conservatism, applied broadly and effectively. He has consistently limited the capacity of the public to understand what its government is doing, cloaking himself and his Conservative Party in an entitled secrecy, and the country in ignorance."

    Stephen Harper has been the George W Bush of Canada, An Embarrassment!

    I'll be in Montreal all week. I suspect I'll hear a lot of support for Justin.


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    Aug 15, 2015 11:24 AM GMT
    Agreed, Harper is just another big government conservative, like Reagan or Bush. I have no problem with Libertarians though.

    As for Justin, I'm not too fond on his support for our Orwellian anti-terrorist bill.
  • metatextual

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    Aug 15, 2015 1:16 PM GMT
    If you lean libertarian you might want to vote Green. I'd say that you should attend some local debates and see which local candidate would represent you the best.
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    Aug 15, 2015 1:22 PM GMT
    Sadly, with our system - the best person to represent your area may be able to *nothing* if they aren't in the winning party - you'd think Quebecers would have learned that years ago, but up until the last election, they kept voting Bloc Quebecois, who could do pretty much nothing except earn Federal money as salaries while having as a party platform that Canada wasn't a real country and Quebec should be separate.

    This time I'm still deciding...Harper - Oh, Hell no! Trudeau - meh, some of his policies are good, others, I'm not to thrilled with. Mulcair - see comments on Trudeau, plus the NDP policy with respect to Quebec Separation requirements and Unions, etc are keeping me from wholeheartedly supporting them either. The Green Party - well, they'll never make the government, so not sure I'd vote for them *even* if they actually had members who understood science and how some of their ideas are completely nuts. (Radical environmentalists are frequently worse for the environment than anyone else, because they pooh-pooh science, so they don't actually analyze the consequences of their actions, they just react with a gut feeling of "what should be good" - have seen it happen more than once)
  • run26

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    Aug 15, 2015 2:08 PM GMT
    as a canadian.... i think we are screwed this coming election. for me, i see it as having no "good choice" or even reasonable choices.

    i believe if jack layton had not died it would be a very different campaign.

    as to vote or not vote - i have always held that if you don't vote, you don't get a say in the outcomes. you gotta make a decision in the lesser of the evils :-)

    just my 2 cents worth :-)
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    Aug 15, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
    (SIGH) ._. Am I the only one who read "CANADIAN ERECTIONS" at first glance from the RJ home page? LMAO icon_cool.gificon_lol.gificon_eek.gif sorreh carry on
  • FRE0

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    Aug 15, 2015 6:50 PM GMT
    Considering how close we are to Canada, we United Statesmen should know more about Canada than we do. Unfortunately, our U.S. media do not cover Canada very well.
  • FRE0

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    Aug 15, 2015 6:50 PM GMT
    Jakeandbake said(SIGH) ._. Am I the only one who read "CANADIAN ERECTIONS" at first glance from the RJ home page? LMAO icon_cool.gificon_lol.gificon_eek.gif sorreh carry on


    Now we know where your mind is!
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    Aug 15, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    Jakeandbake said(SIGH) ._. Am I the only one who read "CANADIAN ERECTIONS" at first glance from the RJ home page? LMAO icon_cool.gificon_lol.gificon_eek.gif sorreh carry on


    Now we know where your mind is!


    Give it a rest, Gilda. Canada. Ain't that north of the US?
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 15, 2015 9:38 PM GMT


    I just think elections are fun ,I'm always interested in elections in other countries [and mine too, we have a lot of them every 2 years]
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    Aug 15, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]FitnessWorker said

    "Americans have traditionally looked to Canada as a liberal haven, with gun control, universal health care and good public education.

    But the nine and half years of Mr. Harper’s tenure have seen the slow-motion erosion of that reputation for open, responsible government.

    His stance has been a know-nothing conservatism, applied broadly and effectively. He has consistently limited the capacity of the public to understand what its government is doing, cloaking himself and his Conservative Party in an entitled secrecy, and the country in ignorance."

    Stephen Harper has been the George W Bush of Canada, An Embarrassment!

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    As an almost Canadian - owning property in Vancouver and spending 3 months every summer here - this is all too true
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    Aug 15, 2015 11:17 PM GMT
    run26 saidas a canadian.... i think we are screwed this coming election. for me, i see it as having no "good choice" or even reasonable choices.

    i believe if jack layton had not died it would be a very different campaign.


    I had that same thought after Layton passed. I would have voted for him in this election. I think Mulcair did a good job as leader of the opposition, but I'm unsure of whether he's better or worse than Trudeau, who I can't say I'm totally on board with either.

    As for Harper, it's time to go. We've been embarrassed enough in the last decade.
  • FRE0

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    Aug 16, 2015 12:26 AM GMT
    bon_pan said
    FRE0 said
    Jakeandbake said(SIGH) ._. Am I the only one who read "CANADIAN ERECTIONS" at first glance from the RJ home page? LMAO icon_cool.gificon_lol.gificon_eek.gif sorreh carry on


    Now we know where your mind is!


    Give it a rest, Gilda. Canada. Ain't that north of the US?


    Actually, parts of Canada are actually south of parts of the U.S.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 16, 2015 2:10 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidConsidering how close we are to Canada, we United Statesmen should know more about Canada than we do. Unfortunately, our U.S. media do not cover Canada very well.
    Most Americans or as you call us United Statesmen don't give a rats ass about Canada. Americans have similar attitudes towards other countries as well. Sad but true. Canada is viewed as mostly irrelevant in American minds.
  • Bunjamon

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    Aug 16, 2015 2:28 AM GMT
    I think this is going to be a really interesting election. I'm American, but I went to university in Canada, and my best friend is actually running for MP in southern Ontario. I feel kind of personally invested in the outcome now, even though I obviously can't vote in it! It's time for Harper's ouster, big time, and I hope people rally enough around SOMEONE to get him out of power.

    There was an interesting article in Vox explaining the election for Americans that anyone who is interested might consider reading:

    The 2015 Canadian federal election, explained

    In response to the above (from the article):
    7) I'm not Canadian — should I care about this at all?
    935px-US_trade_final-01.svg.png

    Well, I bothered to write this, so obviously I think you should.

    Here are a few reasons why:

    1. Even though nobody talks about it, the US-Canada economic relationship is extremely important, and Canada — not China or Mexico — is our largest trading partner.
    2. An NDP win could throw a major wrench in the works for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, as Mulcair is promising to take a tougher line on provisions related to Canadian agriculture policy.
    3. Last but by no means least, the NDP opposes the Keystone XL pipeline, meaning a Mulcair win could be the end of America's most tedious energy debate.


    (Also, lastly, I love that the first Republican debate in the US was on the same night as the first debate in Canada, but the Canadian elections are just over a year before the US elections. Just crazy to me).



  • Apparition

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    Aug 16, 2015 2:29 AM GMT
    bon_pan said
    . Ain't that north of the US?


    I live in Canada and I live SOUTH of most of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, and Maine. So NOT REALLY.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 16, 2015 2:37 AM GMT
    Bunjamon saidI think this is going to be a really interesting election. I'm American, but I went to university in Canada, and my best friend is actually running for MP in southern Ontario. I feel kind of personally invested in the outcome now, even though I obviously can't vote in it! It's time for Harper's ouster, big time, and I hope people rally enough around SOMEONE to get him out of power.

    There was an interesting article in Vox explaining the election for Americans that anyone who is interested might consider reading:

    The 2015 Canadian federal election, explained

    In response to the above (from the article):
    7) I'm not Canadian — should I care about this at all?
    935px-US_trade_final-01.svg.png

    Well, I bothered to write this, so obviously I think you should.

    Here are a few reasons why:

    1. Even though nobody talks about it, the US-Canada economic relationship is extremely important, and Canada — not China or Mexico — is our largest trading partner.
    2. An NDP win could throw a major wrench in the works for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, as Mulcair is promising to take a tougher line on provisions related to Canadian agriculture policy.
    3. Last but by no means least, the NDP opposes the Keystone XL pipeline, meaning a Mulcair win could be the end of America's most tedious energy debate.


    (Also, lastly, I love that the first Republican debate in the US was on the same night as the first debate in Canada, but the Canadian elections are just over a year before the US elections. Just crazy to me).



    Dont worry, China will eventually surpass Canada and become the largest trading partner for the U.S. leaving both Canada and Mexico in the dust. China's vastly larger population and marketplace means more money.
  • Apparition

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    Aug 16, 2015 3:21 AM GMT
    your trade with china wont really grow in the near future, you dont make anything they use or are allowed to have, and absolutely everything you buy is already made there and your spending money is dropping rapidly and will get worse as the babyboomers lose benefits and all of their income starts going to medical expenses.
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    Aug 16, 2015 4:09 AM GMT
    For the first time in my life I'm actually stumped as to who to vote for in October. I was pretty much going to vote for Trudeau but I was disappointed in some of the policy pronouncements he's come up with. I live in one of the safest Conservative ridings in the country so it won't matter which way I vote anyway. I will vote, of course.

    I will vote but, like most Canadians, I'll decide closer to the election. Regardless, I expect Harper to win again with a minority government. The Liberals and NDP will likely form an immediate coalition and Harper will resign from the Conservative leadership.

    The Centre-Left vote might actually split, resulting in a Conservative majority, in which case the knives will be out for Trudeau immediately, but I don't think that will happen this round.

    PS - I avoid referring to Mr Trudeau by his first name. His opponents do that to further their claim that he is too young and inexperienced. It's disrespectful unless one refers to all of the leaders by their first name. If the Liberals decide to sell his on a first name basis then that would be acceptable.
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    Aug 16, 2015 4:21 AM GMT
    Americans would be more concerned about the graph showing the trade imbalance with China if they had a better grasp of their own trading history with China.

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    Aug 16, 2015 1:46 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidAmericans would be more concerned about the graph showing the trade imbalance with China if they had a better grasp of their own trading history with China.

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    Forget about that because most Americans are too apathetic, too lazy and are only interested in either the latest sales at Wal Mart, Target, and JC Penney or the latest retarded idiocy on American Idol to be bothered reading anything of intelligence and substance. My fellow countrymen love to take everything for granted which is horribly sad.icon_sad.gif
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    Aug 17, 2015 11:01 AM GMT
    YVRguy saidFor the first time in my life I'm actually stumped as to who to vote for in October. I was pretty much going to vote for Trudeau but I was disappointed in some of the policy pronouncements he's come up with. I live in one of the safest Conservative ridings in the country so it won't matter which way I vote anyway. I will vote, of course.

    I will vote but, like most Canadians, I'll decide closer to the election. Regardless, I expect Harper to win again with a minority government. The Liberals and NDP will likely form an immediate coalition and Harper will resign from the Conservative leadership.

    The Centre-Left vote might actually split, resulting in a Conservative majority, in which case the knives will be out for Trudeau immediately, but I don't think that will happen this round.

    PS - I avoid referring to Mr Trudeau by his first name. His opponents do that to further their claim that he is too young and inexperienced. It's disrespectful unless one refers to all of the leaders by their first name. If the Liberals decide to sell his on a first name basis then that would be acceptable.


    You are right. I don't know why I call him by his first name. I should refer to him by his last name. Maybe I was subconsciously influenced by attack adds against him.
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    Sep 09, 2015 6:30 AM GMT
    I'm personally not a fan of the Liberals right now, if only because of Trudeau's utter inability to recognize common goals with the NDP.

    I'm terribly frustrated with the Left, actually... They want to keep their diversity but refuse to work together to bring on electoral reform. They agree Harper is one of the biggest disgraces of our time yet continue attacking each other. They both claim the same stance in debates against the Conservatives and claim the other is saying anti-Left policy.

    At this rate they're just going to split the damn votes again and hand Harper his next government on a silver platter... United, the Left dominate the opinion polls, but neither party leader is ahead of the Conservatives and they aren't significantly ahead of the other person either

    I like that the Liberals and NDP can separately represent Left common interests in varying degrees. More of us are left here than not, so how far left you swing or liking a particular leader/government is nice enough to have after Layton put the NDP on the map.

    But they can't keep doing this while First Past The Post stands. The NDP is the only party to date to mention anything about electoral reform. Trudeau doesn't bother with it- I truly think he only has this attitude because he thinks he can just sweep the Orange under the rug again.

    For that reason I'm not voting Liberal. I think the leader is a complete idiot if he thinks he can handle Harper after vote splitting takes place.