Media coverage of police is overwhelmingly negative.

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    Aug 15, 2015 3:36 PM GMT
    It feels like every time I turn on the news, there is a new "gotcha story" of something a police officer did badly. It's overkill and its bad for America. The point has been made that there are bad officers (much of it due to poor training). For every bad officer there are easily 2-3 bad criminals. The coverage is creating a narrative that's making people anti-police and that is very, very dangerous for everyone.

    I agree that officers should be held accountable. But study after study show that in the absence of the police, bystanders rarely intervene to protect victims who are being openly attacked. Officers are often the only barrier we have between citizens and criminals. Would love to see a balance, highlighting the good things officers do, too.

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    Aug 15, 2015 3:40 PM GMT
    I disagree. I think it's great that their cruelty is being exposed. Cops in more civilized countries like Australia don't even carry guns, but over here it's a daily occurrence that some power hungry cop is shooting someone in the head over nothing. It's time for the pendulum to swing in the opposite direction and I believe this negative press is what we need to make that happen.
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    Aug 15, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
    woodfordr saidIt feels like every time I turn on the news, there is a new "gotcha story" of something a police officer did badly. It's overkill and its bad for America. The point has been made that there are bad officers (much of it due to poor training). For every bad officer there are easily 2-3 bad criminals. The coverage is creating a narrative that's making people anti-police and that is very, very dangerous for everyone.

    I agree that officers should be held accountable. But study after study show that in the absence of the police, bystanders rarely intervene to protect victims who are being openly attacked. Officers are often the only barrier we have between citizens and criminals. Would love to see a balance, highlighting the good things officers do, too.


    Officers go after the low hanging fruit. You have the DEA and vice squad making the most arrests and filling our prisons with people who arbitrarily are told they don't have sovereignty over their bodies or the right to choose how they live. They end up being disenfranchised and that leads to more serious crime.

    However, the criminals that have the biggest adverse impacts on society are wealthy enough to afford lobbyists who will legalize their nefarious activities.

    George Bush and Dick Cheney are the worst criminals the US has produced in a hundred years, and they're sittin pretty.
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    Aug 16, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidIt feels like every time I turn on the news, there is a new "gotcha story" of something a police officer did badly. It's overkill and its bad for America. The point has been made that there are bad officers (much of it due to poor training). For every bad officer there are easily 2-3 bad criminals. The coverage is creating a narrative that's making people anti-police and that is very, very dangerous for everyone.

    I agree that officers should be held accountable. But study after study show that in the absence of the police, bystanders rarely intervene to protect victims who are being openly attacked. Officers are often the only barrier we have between citizens and criminals. Would love to see a balance, highlighting the good things officers do, too.



    I agree, but the media is just negative in general. I have no idea how people who watch the news night after night don't put a bullet in there head. There is so much good in the world but if you turn on the news all you get is rape, murder, theft, and maybe one story about a wounded solider, officer, or fire fighter beating the odds. My only grip with the police in general is they too often protect bad officers. Every profession does this but in law enforcement this is very dangerous. You can ruin people's lives doing that. I'm starting to see the police unions as no different than the teacher's union. Otherwise. I have no problems with the cops. Many are not only brave but very strong compassionate men and woman. It amazes me when some of them are polite, kind and helpful. You would think that line of work would turn anyone into a pessimistic asshole.
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    Aug 16, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    I personally think that these phenomenon should be exposed until something changes, but then we all know that the mainstream news is about audience, ratings and shock value of headlines generates sales and clicks.
    That's where it becomes repulsive and not really about creating change.
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    Aug 16, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
    Viewers don't tune into the news to see positive stories, they tune in for the negative ones. I agree there are decent cops out there who deserve more recognition, though.
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    Aug 16, 2015 1:56 AM GMT
    While I do support the efforts of police and feel they have a very difficult job, I don't think the police force is an organization that should house criminals that break the law without consequences just because they wear a badge, nor should they be above the law. If they are unable to act responsible, then they should get another job, they are not qualified for the job.
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    Aug 16, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    Problem is, people will stop watching the news if the only stories are about spelling bee champs or firefighters rescuing a cat from a tree.

    I think the police are a popular target for criticism because most people feel like they are bullies with guns. So anything that puts them in a negative light makes great headlines.
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    Aug 16, 2015 3:12 AM GMT
    don't be naive. the news is bad because it reflects real life.
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    Aug 16, 2015 3:30 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWhile I do support the efforts of police and feel they have a very difficult job, I don't think the police force is an organization that should house criminals that break the law without consequences just because they wear a badge, nor should they be above the law. If they are unable to act responsible, then they should get another job, they are not qualified for the job.

    +1

    Most of my military career was spent in the US Army Military Police Corps. In those days we had a peacetime law enforcement role, very similar to civilian police. In fact, we often trained together. Nowadays the MPs mostly have a combat police role, and stateside is handled by civilian contractors ("rent-a-cops").

    I respect police and the difficult job they have, having been one myself. But I despise those police who are mere thugs & criminals.

    Purging the bad-apple trash will make the job of all police easier, when the public they serve trust & respect them better. At the moment they are losing a lot of that trust.
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    Aug 16, 2015 3:53 AM GMT


    pellaz saiddon't be naive. the news is bad because it reflects real life.


    Really?

    The first waves of news reporting on Michael Brown's death sure the hell didn't reflect real life did it? There were people ready to kill a cop who shot a thug who stole dope smoking supplies and assaulted a cashier at a c-store before trying to take the officer's gun and then disobeying when he was told to stop and get down on the ground.

    No "hands up don't shoot"... no police brutality... just a media that you're warped mind says reflects real life. Seven witnesses, two autopsies, investigations by county, state and federal law enforcement and grand jury all showed the whole hype from Ferguson was nothing but media bullshit and a lot of money from George Soros...
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    Aug 16, 2015 5:02 AM GMT


    woodfordr saidIt feels like every time I turn on the news, there is a new "gotcha story" of something a police officer did badly. It's overkill and its bad for America. The point has been made that there are bad officers (much of it due to poor training). For every bad officer there are easily 2-3 bad criminals. The coverage is creating a narrative that's making people anti-police and that is very, very dangerous for everyone.

    I agree that officers should be held accountable. But study after study show that in the absence of the police, bystanders rarely intervene to protect victims who are being openly attacked. Officers are often the only barrier we have between citizens and criminals. Would love to see a balance, highlighting the good things officers do, too.


    Here's the first part of the problem.
    The media profits from creating tensions and disharmony and they suffer no consequences for it when they've been proven to have gone beyond reporting based on facts. Until they are held to higher standards than they have digressed to in the past 25 years it will not stop. They tell lies as news with total impunity. When was the last time you heard of any news media losing their asses in multi-million dollar libel suits? In the 1950s 60s and 70s it happened a lot.

    Here's the second part of the problem.
    Most politicians and exploiters of public opinions only act like leaders to the public but they really only take advantage of the tensions and disharmony the media creates. "Never let a good crisis go to waste."-- Winston Churchill. So in effect all politicians do is react to the shit the media creates after people are enraged or scared about it.

    With this game, the police don't stand a fair chance. They are being exploited by the media in order to draw in ratings which translate to dollars. Then after the crowds are polarized (often along racial lines) politicians of all colors shapes and sizes step in to act like they are in control of the shit fest the media created... but in all truth all they are doing is exploiting it to increase their own power.

    Got it? We're being play for fools by the media and the politicians. How do we end this? Bust their routine and knock off the game...



    MrFuscle said
    I agree, but the media is just negative in general. I have no idea how people who watch the news night after night don't put a bullet in there head. There is so much good in the world but if you turn on the news all you get is rape, murder, theft, and maybe one story about a wounded solider, officer, or fire fighter beating the odds. My only gripe with the police in general is they too often protect bad officers. Every profession does this but in law enforcement this is very dangerous. You can ruin people's lives doing that. I'm starting to see the police unions as no different than the teacher's union. Otherwise. I have no problems with the cops. Many are not only brave but very strong compassionate men and woman. It amazes me when some of them are polite, kind and helpful. You would think that line of work would turn anyone into a pessimistic asshole.


    See red words above. MrFuscle you hit a big nasty nail on the head. Police Unions do in fact protect bad officers the same way all unions do it - not just teachers unions. It goes right up to Washington DC's federal employee unions that are by far, the most corrupt and politically powerful in the nation. But that's off topic.

    You are 100% right that most officers are brave, strong, compassionate, polite, kind and helpful. The problem officers are a tiny percentage ... but you never get that impression from the media, do you? Take it one step further and try to tell it to people who are wound up in this trendy hate cops movement. They'll tell you to your face you're wrong... Ask Pellaz.

    So we have a group of reactionary people (blacks and whites) running around hating on cops making broad accusations with no toehold in reality about cops, pigs and racist law enforcement officers...

    Your looking at the new and sick version of bigotry... Look at it, listen to the rhetoric being used against police and then see the parallels with other types of bigotry... all involve ignorant people who've been stirred up to be full of hate and violence first by the media and then by politicans... and so the game goes. Everyone wins but "us."

    But there is a way right in our hands at this time to fuck up the games of the media and politicians if we quit letting them keep us divided long enough to use our brains.

  • AMoonHawk

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    Aug 16, 2015 6:54 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said

    pellaz saiddon't be naive. the news is bad because it reflects real life.


    Really?

    The first waves of news reporting on Michael Brown's death sure the hell didn't reflect real life did it? There were people ready to kill a cop who shot a thug who stole dope smoking supplies and assaulted a cashier at a c-store before trying to take the officer's gun and then disobeying when he was told to stop and get down on the ground.

    No "hands up don't shoot"... no police brutality... just a media that you're warped mind says reflects real life. Seven witnesses, two autopsies, investigations by county, state and federal law enforcement and grand jury all showed the whole hype from Ferguson was nothing but media bullshit and a lot of money from George Soros...

    He stole 2 packs swisher sweets ... those are hardly dopes smoking supplies ... and a couple packs of Swisher Sweets are worth like $3 ... hardly worth dying or killing for
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    Aug 16, 2015 10:11 AM GMT
    its the great recession, the city government should get police staff in there that doesn't self destruct all over their employer.

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    Aug 16, 2015 10:17 AM GMT
    Radd saidI disagree. I think it's great that their cruelty is being exposed. Cops in more civilized countries like Australia don't even carry guns, but over here it's a daily occurrence that some power hungry cop is shooting someone in the head over nothing. It's time for the pendulum to swing in the opposite direction and I believe this negative press is what we need to make that happen.


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  • HottJoe

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    Aug 16, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
    xrichx saidProblem is, people will stop watching the news if the only stories are about spelling bee champs or firefighters rescuing a cat from a tree.

    I think the police are a popular target for criticism because most people feel like they are bullies with guns. So anything that puts them in a negative light makes great headlines.

    This, plus they're enforcing overreaching laws. I'm not sure how anyone can support living in police state. The less you have to interact with the police, the better your life is.

    There is a role for the police, such as solving legitimate crimes, and I think most would agree that we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but in far too many cases the "good" cops are just adding more weight to an unwieldy force. Same as all of the good soldiers invading Iraq like a lumbering giant and devastating communities, leaving citizens worse off than they were before.

    As for the news reporting stories of police brutality??? They say of it bleeds it leads, and there's more blood in US streets than other places where's the police aren't militarized, and much of the problem comes from insane laws that lead to a black market of human, guns and drug trafficking.

    The police used to round up gay men and throw them in jail or worse. Why do we let them do that to women, homeless people and pot smokers? The real criminals are the ones breaking our constitutional rights to choose our own path in life.
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    Aug 16, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
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    HottJoe said
    George Bush and Dick Cheney are the worst criminals the US has produced in a hundred years, and they're sittin pretty.


    Apparently you haven't heard of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their "Foundation."


    Oh I have. I've read the stuff you don't want us to know.

    "Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that “so little” of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation “actually go to charitable works” — a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6 percent of its annual revenues — but Fiorina is simply wrong."


    "One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity."

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
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    Aug 16, 2015 3:46 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidI despise those police who are mere thugs & criminals.

    Mr. Deco, after calling numerous RJ members "racist" each time they used the "t" word, I see that you will now have to publicly flog yourself here, as YOU have now used the racist "t" word. Have at it.

    Mr. Anti-Gay: You're very good at twisting things around. The word thugs has been in use for over 150 years, originating during the British occupation of India. Only in recent years has the Right Wing begun using it as a very transparent substitute for the "N" word in describing most Black US citizens. Even used with President Obama.

    I'd like to return "thug" to its original meaning, not a racist one regarding Blacks as you yourself like to use it. Which refers to a violent person, with criminal tendencies. That's a perfect description of the bad apples among police agencies throughout the US.

    And I say again (with which you evidently disagree), that removing the thugs from police ranks, of any skin color, will restore public trust in law enforcement, better protect innocent citizens from false arrest and brutality, more effectively focus the police on the true criminals, and improve the self-esteem & morale of the police themselves. You have a problem with that?
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    Aug 16, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    "One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity."

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

    If accurate, that's one of the best ratios in the entire US.
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    HottJoe said
    woodfordr saidIt feels like every time I turn on the news, there is a new "gotcha story" of something a police officer did badly. It's overkill and its bad for America. The point has been made that there are bad officers (much of it due to poor training). For every bad officer there are easily 2-3 bad criminals. The coverage is creating a narrative that's making people anti-police and that is very, very dangerous for everyone.

    I agree that officers should be held accountable. But study after study show that in the absence of the police, bystanders rarely intervene to protect victims who are being openly attacked. Officers are often the only barrier we have between citizens and criminals. Would love to see a balance, highlighting the good things officers do, too.


    Officers go after the low hanging fruit. You have the DEA and vice squad making the most arrests and filling our prisons with people who arbitrarily are told they don't have sovereignty over their bodies or the right to choose how they live. They end up being disenfranchised and that leads to more serious crime.

    However, the criminals that have the biggest adverse impacts on society are wealthy enough to afford lobbyists who will legalize their nefarious activities.

    George Bush and Dick Cheney are the worst criminals the US has produced in a hundred years, and they're sittin pretty.


    Looks like they've got a bunch of company







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    Aug 16, 2015 8:44 PM GMT


    AMoonHawk said
    He stole 2 packs swisher sweets ... those are hardly dopes smoking supplies ... and a couple packs of Swisher Sweets are worth like $3 ... hardly worth dying or killing for


    ..... or assaulting a store clerk for.. or disobeying a police officer for... or hitting that officer and trying to take his gun...

    Gee Mister Peabody! Grab Sherman hop in your Wayback Machine and go back 14 months in time to try to talk some sense into Michael Brown. You may get a Nobel Prize but most likely you'd get beat up.


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    Aug 16, 2015 8:56 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Officers go after the low hanging fruit. You have the DEA and vice squad making the most arrests and filling our prisons with people who arbitrarily are told they don't have sovereignty over their bodies or the right to choose how they live. They end up being disenfranchised and that leads to more serious crime.

    However, the criminals that have the biggest adverse impacts on society are wealthy enough to afford lobbyists who will legalize their nefarious activities.

    George Bush and Dick Cheney are the worst criminals the US has produced in a hundred years, and they're sittin pretty.


    Looks like they've got a bunch of company






    LOL... Just 3 hours ago I wrote on another thread......

    bobbobbob said
    That might be because there's a cultish neurotic sisterhood of loud shrill liberaggots in RJ who have created a cousin to Godwin's Law in which all debates they're involved in inevitably digress down to "The masters of evil, Bush and Cheney did it."


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4097084

    It looks like the cultish neurotic sisterhood of shrill menstruating liberaggots has inducted a member.


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    Aug 16, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
    How is it the Rebooblicans keep bringing up Clinton when it has nothing to do with the TOPIC?

    They bitch when anyone brings up the Shrubbery (the so called Bush dynasty) in their Obama/Clinton/Kerry/Gore mudslinging shit fest.
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    Aug 16, 2015 9:36 PM GMT
    @Bobbobbob is one of your grandchildren named Ann Coulter by chance? If so, I can definitely see apple doesn't fall far from the tree!