Was Romania’s prince stripped of his title for being gay?

  • metta

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    Aug 19, 2015 7:56 AM GMT
    Was Romania’s prince stripped of his title for being gay?

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    Prince Nicholas De Roumanie, who was third in line to the defunct throne after his aunt and mother, was told last week his title was being removed due to ‘moral principles’.

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/was-romanias-prince-stripped-of-his-title-for-being-gay-2/
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 19, 2015 9:26 AM GMT
    probably.
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    Aug 19, 2015 11:15 AM GMT
    What difference does it make since there is no Rumanian throne anymore?
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    Aug 19, 2015 12:31 PM GMT
    TexDef07 saidWhat difference does it make since there is no Rumanian throne anymore?


    This could influence some people, particularly monarchists, in their attitude towards homosexuality and LGBTQ people. The simple fact that the titles exist despite the abolition of the monarchy suggests that some consider them to be important, or valuable.

    The best analogy I can think of is a charity asking an ambassador to step down as a result of their sexuality (as happened to Sandi Toksvig in the '90s). The position doesn't entail any particular power, nor a salary, but the action sends a message.
  • AttisXVI

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    Aug 19, 2015 1:17 PM GMT
    In terms of Nobility, your house depends on procreation. If you produce no heirs, you are a diminished return. Whatever you do in life, you need to build onto the family.

    A gay prince is the stuff of wet dreams, but the reality is that a prince who cannot produce an heir is going to be considered a dead end.

    With that said, a prince who couldn't produce due to sterility would still get to keep his title. "Gay" is a fate worse than sterile in a lot of countries.
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    Aug 19, 2015 1:34 PM GMT
    He is smoking hot! I'd be happy to salute his highness in bed, heir to a throne or no.
  • jeepguySD

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    Aug 19, 2015 2:36 PM GMT
    TexDef07 saidWhat difference does it make since there is no Rumanian throne anymore?


    Having the title, whether the monarchy in Romania still exists or not, does make a difference. As a prince he was very popular, so there are many who would see him as honorable and as a role model. As a prince and heir to the throne, defunct or not, he would have a unique platform from which to advocate for LGBT rights not only in Romania, but beyond.

    Losing his title just for being gay sends an unambiguous and potentially devastating message to LGBT youth: being gay is literally ignoble.
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    Aug 19, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
    AttisXVI saidIn terms of Nobility, your house depends on procreation. If you produce no heirs, you are a diminished return. Whatever you do in life, you need to build onto the family.

    A gay prince is the stuff of wet dreams, but the reality is that a prince who cannot produce an heir is going to be considered a dead end.

    With that said, a prince who couldn't produce due to sterility would still get to keep his title. "Gay" is a fate worse than sterile in a lot of countries.


    Of course, it is possible that he could produce an heir, depending on the particular qualifying rules for heirs in Romania. If he is indeed gay he may well be less likely to produce an heir.
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    Aug 19, 2015 6:44 PM GMT
    I'll gladly let him sit on my throne.
  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Aug 19, 2015 6:44 PM GMT
    AttisXVI saidIn terms of Nobility, your house depends on procreation. If you produce no heirs, you are a diminished return. Whatever you do in life, you need to build onto the family.

    A gay prince...who cannot produce an heir is going to be considered a dead end. With that said, a prince who couldn't produce due to sterility would still get to keep his title.


    So, WHERE is the problem? Simply use artificial insemination. If his seed is good--which is likely since Nature does not recognize these human delusions called "gay/straight"--he would produce an heir.
  • carew28

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    Aug 19, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
    Well, the Rumanian throne has been vacant ever since King Mihai was deposed in 1947. It was former King Mihai who just took the princely title away from his young grandson. Mihai's successor is his middle-aged daughter Margarita, who has no children. The next in line for the vacant throne is Mihai's second daughter, Elena. Elana is the mother of Nicholas, who until now was next in line for the throne (after his aunt and his mother). Mihai is 94 years old now, and he won't be around forever. In the unlikely event that the Rumanian throne is ever restored, Nicholas's aunt or mother, when their time comes, might very well restore his place in the succession.

    Nicholas has only lived in Rumania for 5 years or so. He was born in Switzerland & raised in Britain. His late father was British.

    Ultimately it's going to be Rumanian popular opinion that will judge whether they want Nicholas to remain as a royal figure. I'm not sure how the Rumanian people themselves feel about Nicholas, or how they feel about gay people in general. But there's a good likelihood that they may not agree with with old King Mihai's pronouncements.

    Incidentally, a few years ago, Mihai also removed his 3rd daughter, Irina, and her children, from the Rumanian royal succession. Irina and her family live in Oregon, and she'd been arrested for participating in an illegal cockfighting and gambling ring.
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    Aug 19, 2015 8:32 PM GMT
    Well, good thing he's still fucking cute.
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    Aug 19, 2015 8:53 PM GMT
    give a new meaning to *prince charming eh !! He's cute, oh well, he's third in line, it's not like he will become king anyway. I'd say he can just do whatever he wants.
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 19, 2015 8:58 PM GMT
    he's not only handsome, he is very active in charities ,he rode a bike from somwhere to somwhere i dont remember somthing like 1000 miles in romania for a charity [ also helps getting a nice ass i guess icon_smile.gif]
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    Aug 20, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    Top 10 phrases they would've heard...

    #10. Is that a scepter in your pocket or are you just happy to... oh god that's gonna hurt.
    #9. Wanna sit on my throne?
    #8. Your highness, it's not spelled "abdickation"
    #7. Kneel down before me. And while you're down there....
    #6. Ok, now bow down before me. And while you're down there....
    #5. I was blown away by his majesty.
    #4. He came in spades.
    #3. Long may he reign. And by long I mean ridiculously long.
    #2. Who knew we had so many male skin flutists in the kingdom?
    #1. You can't beat him on the battlefield, but you sure can beat him off.
  • AttisXVI

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    Aug 20, 2015 2:42 AM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    AttisXVI saidIn terms of Nobility, your house depends on procreation. If you produce no heirs, you are a diminished return. Whatever you do in life, you need to build onto the family.

    A gay prince...who cannot produce an heir is going to be considered a dead end. With that said, a prince who couldn't produce due to sterility would still get to keep his title.


    So, WHERE is the problem? Simply use artificial insemination. If his seed is good--which is likely since Nature does not recognize these human delusions called "gay/straight"--he would produce an heir.


    They can't do that. A child has to be born in wedlock. The marriage has to have been consummated (unless times have changed) or it isn't recognized. The act of procreation is every bit as important as the outcome. There are a lot of rules to the game.
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    Aug 20, 2015 6:30 AM GMT
    I suppose there is a little King Henry VIII in every monarch.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Aug 20, 2015 7:28 AM GMT
    Frankly, the grass-root support for Monarchy in Romania is very moderate.

    An average Romanian views the monarchy in its present, private form, as group of wealthy individuals with international background, keen on furthering their own goals rather than playing any active political role.

    If anything, being a member of the former royal family means that you are somewhere on the right of the nationalist end of the political spectrum. That would not mean anti-gay, but would be quite a bit away from promoting the gay agenda, too.

    Michael of Romania is simply trying to keep his family in line with his political beliefs. If you deviate from the party, i.e. family line on any issue, you are out of it. After all, he is an old man, and he seems to be upholding his old-fashion attitudes, probably still hoping that the day may come when the monarchy in Romania will arise again.

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    Aug 20, 2015 8:16 AM GMT
    Michael of Romania is 93 years old; he may also be getting senile. Some old people do remarkable bizarre and uncalled for things against close relatives. It is also not like removing Nicholas from the line of succession is necessarily final; the dead king can't dictate what a succeeding pretender could do. His mama could simply restore his place in the succession when her turn to rule comes.
  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 20, 2015 8:30 PM GMT
    Newer articles have mentioned and dismissed the gay rumor as the reason. Apparently the 93 year old monarch has done this before with other members of the family and it is mostly over control of the family money. This guy is cute. Hope he is gay.
  • interesting

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    Aug 23, 2015 8:01 AM GMT
    That's really sad if that's the case Nicholas was ruled out of succession because if he is really gay, which is still unproven. On an extremely shallow note, he is so cute and handsome, being a prince is just a cherry on the sundae, and he's heavily invested in a literacy program for children too (too damn perfect). I went a little bit stalkerish and tried to find a nude (at least semi-nude) photo of him icon_redface.gif but only found this icon_neutral.gif

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  • Sam_mas

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    Aug 23, 2015 9:23 AM GMT
    This could mean although we already lived in a modernism, LGBTQ is stil considered taboo in terms of morals. The monarchy system some country still retain sends a message of Nobility, so no matter how hard we try, it looks like we are not there yet to pass the Noble standard in this particular area, for that same bitter reason; noble. Though we might perceive the title by science, humanitarian or innovation though, but one can guess that some old teachings remain "closeted" that way.

    Reminds me of the Indian Prince who also stepped out of his title because he's out of the closet. He's a good man with a great leadership.

    As to wonder, Im worried if we will never, ever, pass this boundary and all that we are just abnormalities in monarch system. Another wonder I have is also wondering if he's into asian kinky. Just trying my luck here. But probably meh.