The Republican Party and the Rise of the “Christian” Sociopath Thread 6

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    Aug 20, 2015 3:03 AM GMT
    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/republican-party-rise-christian-sociopath/
    ...it’s an absolute joke for anyone who calls themselves a Christian to follow the GOP’s economic ideologies. They’re entirely predicated on feeding greed while condemning the poor...
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    Aug 20, 2015 3:33 PM GMT
    We should not forget many atrocious policies of the past in the south had bipartisan support. The article fails to mention this and implies it was GOP only.

    It is a convenient rewrite of history.

    For example read the "Southern Manifesto"-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto

    The manifesto was signed by 101 politicians (99 Southern Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia....

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    desertmuscl saidWe should not forget many atrocious policies of the past in the south had bipartisan support. The article fails to mention this and implies it was GOP only.

    It is a convenient rewrite of history.

    For example read the "Southern Manifesto"-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto

    The manifesto was signed by 101 politicians (99 Southern Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia....

    YOU'RE the one rewriting history. The post-reconstruction South was passionalately anti--Republican, the party of Lincoln, and strongly Democratic.

    But Democrats in the rest of the US were turning Liberal, and pro-Black rights. The Southern Democratic component of the party became known as "Dixiecrats" for their extreme right-wing, anti-civil rights views. They in turn, after Democratic President Johnson pushed civil rights reforms, and as part of Republican President Nixon's "Southern Strategy", converted to the Republican Party. And those are the bigoted Republicans we have today - the inheritors of Dixiecrat policies.
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    Aug 20, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    desertmuscl saidWe should not forget many atrocious policies of the past in the south had bipartisan support. The article fails to mention this and implies it was GOP only.

    It is a convenient rewrite of history.

    For example read the "Southern Manifesto"-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto

    The manifesto was signed by 101 politicians (99 Southern Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia....

    YOU'RE the one rewriting history. The post-reconstruction South was passionalately anti--Republican, the party of Lincoln, and strongly Democratic.

    But Democrats in the rest of the US were turning Liberal, and pro-Black rights. The Southern Democratic component of the party became known as "Dixiecrats" for their extreme right-wing, anti-civil rights views. They in turn, after Democratic President Johnson pushed civil rights reforms, and as part of Republican President Nixon's "Southern Strategy", converted to the Republican Party. And those are the bigoted Republicans we have today - the inheritors of Dixiecrat policies.


    History rarely has clear heroes and villains once you delve beneath the tendentious readings of the past that are characteristic of partisan politics and propaganda.

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    Aug 20, 2015 9:33 PM GMT
    I love how instead of denying that they're a bunch of slime balls, republicans just try to get slime on everyone else.icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 20, 2015 9:46 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI love how instead of denying that they're a bunch of slime balls, republicans just try to get slime on everyone else.icon_lol.gif
    Like the democrats are any bettericon_question.gif
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    Aug 20, 2015 10:23 PM GMT
    I don't care to get into this discussion, but would like to note that the concept of a Christian or otherwise religious, sociopath is, to me, a charming addition to our vocabulary. It provides a lens for viewing the behavior of a certain vocal group that is unnervingly accurate.
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    Aug 20, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI love how instead of denying that they're a bunch of slime balls, republicans just try to get slime on everyone else.icon_lol.gif



    You may find this article about the racist Lyndon Johnson to be rather interesting:

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2014/apr/14/barack-obama/lyndon-johnson-opposed-every-civil-rights-proposal/

    For one thing, Johnson tried to kill every civil rights act he could during the first 20 years of his career in congress, and watered down republican Dwight Eisenhower's 1957 civil rights act to the point that it didn't have any teeth.

    This is not an attempt to defend the Republican Party. It is however, important to set the record straight when people go around characterizing the Republican Party as a bunch of bigots while giving Lyndon Johnson credit for civil rights legislation. History is just not as simple as some people would like to believe.

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    Aug 21, 2015 12:26 AM GMT
    Great article from the NYT about Eisenhower's 1957 bill and what Johnson did to water it down:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/opinion/12nichols.html


    From the piece:

    "Historians have consistently credited Johnson for the bill’s passage. Yes, Johnson played a role, but hardly the one his advocates might imagine: Eisenhower and his attorney general, Herbert Brownell Jr., first proposed strong legislation, and it was Johnson and his Southern cronies who weakened it beyond recognition."

    The irony is that Johnson's bill was only a landmark bill because he put back in the provisions he removed from Ike's legislation 8 years earlier.

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    Aug 21, 2015 12:42 AM GMT
    theantijock saidThe Republican Party and the Rise of the “Christian” Sociopath Thread 6
    The "Christian" Sociopath has existed since the beginning of Christianity. The height of it was the Salem Witch Trials. The current GOP we have today are pretty tame compared to what "Christians" used to be...and mostly because all their wicked ideals have been legislated away, not because they're being nicer.
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    Art_Deco said
    desertmuscl saidWe should not forget many atrocious policies of the past in the south had bipartisan support. The article fails to mention this and implies it was GOP only.

    It is a convenient rewrite of history.

    For example read the "Southern Manifesto"-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto

    The manifesto was signed by 101 politicians (99 Southern Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia....

    YOU'RE the one rewriting history. The post-reconstruction South was passionalately anti--Republican, the party of Lincoln, and strongly Democratic.

    But Democrats in the rest of the US were turning Liberal, and pro-Black rights. The Southern Democratic component of the party became known as "Dixiecrats" for their extreme right-wing, anti-civil rights views. They in turn, after Democratic President Johnson pushed civil rights reforms, and as part of Republican President Nixon's "Southern Strategy", converted to the Republican Party. And those are the bigoted Republicans we have today - the inheritors of Dixiecrat policies.


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    theantijock saidThe Republican Party and the Rise of the “Christian” Sociopath Thread 6
    The "Christian" Sociopath has existed since the beginning of Christianity. The height of it was the Salem Witch Trials. The current GOP we have today are pretty tame compared to what "Christians" used to be...and mostly because all their wicked ideals have been legislated away, not because they're being nicer.


    I haven't studied that particularly. Offhand not sure how to measure. I suppose the worst here might have been that unless we consider what they've done to us gays over even more years, though worst overall would probably be the crusades, I'd imagine.

    I've lost friends in the past to religion, not very early in life but only when all the born again crap kicked in. When was that, the 70s? And then there was a second wave when new age came in and by now we find fundamentalisms of every flavor. This world has gone to the dogmas.

    But at least until recently I pretty much always had Republican friends. One of my last good friends was one and my last best bud was one too. I loved our debates. And it was especially fun for me to see them soften on some issues over time. I can be relentless persistent.

    But now more and more the Republicans I run into are just fucking idiots. It's the weirdest thing. I think I've only got two Republican friends left, grandfathered in from our childhood but they are fundees so we agree to not discuss that. I've one cousin who hasn't declared but I suspect Republican. He's very smart and we can talk for more than an hour on the phone without even realize time passed.

    I can see conversion in the wings though and I've already applied for my toaster oven.

    But these Republicans on this forum, man, I've never known people to be so creepy before.

    I think that your sense of them being purposely hurtful is correct. Even my (R) cousin said to me something like: "I don't give a crap about all that compassion stuff". Yet he seems to enjoy chatting with me. So something there is going to give because this doggy don't stop tugging at a heart.

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    A heart is like a penis. If find they have one. I'm gonna tug it.
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    Aug 21, 2015 11:46 AM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Art_Deco said
    desertmuscl saidWe should not forget many atrocious policies of the past in the south had bipartisan support. The article fails to mention this and implies it was GOP only.

    It is a convenient rewrite of history.

    For example read the "Southern Manifesto"-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto

    The manifesto was signed by 101 politicians (99 Southern Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia....

    YOU'RE the one rewriting history. The post-reconstruction South was passionalately anti--Republican, the party of Lincoln, and strongly Democratic.

    But Democrats in the rest of the US were turning Liberal, and pro-Black rights. The Southern Democratic component of the party became known as "Dixiecrats" for their extreme right-wing, anti-civil rights views. They in turn, after Democratic President Johnson pushed civil rights reforms, and as part of Republican President Nixon's "Southern Strategy", converted to the Republican Party. And those are the bigoted Republicans we have today - the inheritors of Dixiecrat policies.


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    AND...these southerners brought along their vicious, bigoted, hypocritical southern baptist fundamentalism and melded it onto their political beliefs and took over the Republican Party, such that there really is no longer the Republican Party of Lincoln but rather "Religicans". True Republicans are a rare breed today.
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    Aug 21, 2015 12:25 PM GMT
    Sulla said
    chuckystud said
    Art_Deco said
    desertmuscl saidWe should not forget many atrocious policies of the past in the south had bipartisan support. The article fails to mention this and implies it was GOP only.

    It is a convenient rewrite of history.

    For example read the "Southern Manifesto"-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto

    The manifesto was signed by 101 politicians (99 Southern Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia....

    YOU'RE the one rewriting history. The post-reconstruction South was passionalately anti--Republican, the party of Lincoln, and strongly Democratic.

    But Democrats in the rest of the US were turning Liberal, and pro-Black rights. The Southern Democratic component of the party became known as "Dixiecrats" for their extreme right-wing, anti-civil rights views. They in turn, after Democratic President Johnson pushed civil rights reforms, and as part of Republican President Nixon's "Southern Strategy", converted to the Republican Party. And those are the bigoted Republicans we have today - the inheritors of Dixiecrat policies.


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    AND...these southerners brought along their vicious, bigoted, hypocritical southern baptist fundamentalism and melded it onto their political beliefs and took over the Republican Party, such that there really is no longer the Republican Party of Lincoln but rather "Religicans". True Republicans are a rare breed today.
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    Aug 21, 2015 1:34 PM GMT
    Sulla said
    chuckystud said
    Art_Deco said
    desertmuscl saidWe should not forget many atrocious policies of the past in the south had bipartisan support. The article fails to mention this and implies it was GOP only.

    It is a convenient rewrite of history.

    For example read the "Southern Manifesto"-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Manifesto

    The manifesto was signed by 101 politicians (99 Southern Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia....

    YOU'RE the one rewriting history. The post-reconstruction South was passionalately anti--Republican, the party of Lincoln, and strongly Democratic.

    But Democrats in the rest of the US were turning Liberal, and pro-Black rights. The Southern Democratic component of the party became known as "Dixiecrats" for their extreme right-wing, anti-civil rights views. They in turn, after Democratic President Johnson pushed civil rights reforms, and as part of Republican President Nixon's "Southern Strategy", converted to the Republican Party. And those are the bigoted Republicans we have today - the inheritors of Dixiecrat policies.


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    AND...these southerners brought along their vicious, bigoted, hypocritical southern baptist fundamentalism and melded it onto their political beliefs and took over the Republican Party, such that there really is no longer the Republican Party of Lincoln but rather "Religicans". True Republicans are a rare breed today.


    Untrue. I know a big bunch of Republicans and only one of the type you talk about. The entire business I'm in is republican (commercial real estate) because we rely on facts, figures and logic, but not emotion, and certainly not religion. It's a hugely difficult business with huge personal risks so not the place for democrats.

    Do we generally play well with democrats? Mostly ..... if we want to get projects approved by neighborhood review boards, planning and building, and city council, etc.

    So we're here in big numbers and trying to reign in some of the excesses of the party.