Jeb Bush 2016

  • metta

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    Aug 21, 2015 3:55 PM GMT
    Jeb Bush: ‘Anchor babies’ isn’t offensive

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeb-bush-%e2%80%98anchor-babies%e2%80%99-isn%e2%80%99t-offensive/ar-BBlW5G5

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    Aug 21, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
    Damn right it's not offensive. It's a descriptive term. It involves not just those south of the border but wealthy Chinese who come here to give birth, then return to China with their US baby an ace in the hole if they need to leave China.

    One of the reasons Trump is so popular is people are tired of liberals trying to silence free speech by their PC bullshit.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 21, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
    Not offensive at all and I liked Jeb Bush's response. This is what they are. ..period. This practice of coming over the boarder with the sole purpose of having your baby in the USA so it can reap the benefits of our system has got to stop. I seriously doubt this is what our founder fathers intended when writing the 14th amendment
  • tj85016

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    Aug 21, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNot offensive at all and I liked Jeb Bush's response. This is what they are. ..period. This practice of coming over the boarder with the sole purpose of having your baby in the USA so it can reap the benefits of our system has got to stop. I seriously doubt this is what our founder fathers intended when writing the 14th amendment


    the 14th amendment had to do with giving newly emancipated slaves actual citizenship, not a bunch of Mexicans and Hondurans jumping the fence then pumping out a kid in Texas
  • bobbobbob

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    Aug 21, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    This is just a continuation of the intellectual dishonesty and bankruptcy of the left - how long have they been at war with the usage of common words rather than the messages in they convey?

    From their perspective (if they were honest about it).......
    Anchor baby is offensive because it accurately describes a problem they cannot honestly address.
    Remember the short lived effort to ban the word Thug?
    They still like to argue about people in the US without following legal procedures being called illegal immigrants.
    I still sneer when I hear a liar caught red handed saying he misspoke
    Who was it before a congressional hearing last year who said he disremembered rather than admit he'd been caught in a lie?

    If Donald Trump implodes before the primary he will still have had one of the greatest effects on US political dichotomy in over half a century. He has stood up to and bitch slapped the entire institution of political correctness and contrary to desperate liberal propaganda, the vast majority of Americans agree with him.

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  • tj85016

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    Aug 21, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    ^^

    I just wish Trump would back off on the "wall" thing, it is a pretty stupid idea - just keep deporting them
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    Aug 21, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    I just wish Trump would back off on the "wall" thing, it is a pretty stupid idea - just keep deporting them

    The wall is not a complete solution - some overstay visas, need e-verify. But a wall can be pretty effective. I've seen the Berlin Wall (actually 2 walls), and it would be effective even if there were not a shoot to kill policy (not advocating that here)
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    Aug 21, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
    http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/14thamendment.html
    The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified on July 9, 1868, and granted citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States,” which included former slaves recently freed.

    http://constitutioncenter.org/constitution/the-amendments/amendment-14-citizenship-rights
    Interpretation (by) Annenberg Classroom

    Because many states continued to pass laws that restricted the rights of former slaves, on June 13, 1866, Congress passed and sent to the states for ratification, Amendment XIV. Ratified on July 9, 1868, the amendment granted U.S. citizenship to former slaves and specifically changed the rule in Article 1, Section 2 that slaves be counted only as three-fifths of a person for purposes of representation in Congress. It also contained three new limits on state power: a state shall not violate a citizen’s privileges or immunities; shall not deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; and must guarantee all persons equal protection of the laws...

    ...Guaranteed Rights of Citizenship to all Persons Born or Naturalized: The right of citizenship in the Fourteenth Amendment was intended to overturn the case of Dred Scott v. Sanford, a decision that had long been considered as one of the Supreme Court’s worst mistakes. Dred Scott, born into slavery, argued that he should be granted freedom from the family that claimed ownership over him because he had lived in free states and thus had become a citizen of the United States before returning to Missouri, a state where slavery was sanctioned...

    Chief Justice Taney, denying Scott’s appeal, held that African Americans were not citizens, and therefore were “not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word citizens.” By specifically granting citizenship to all persons born or naturalized, the Fourteenth Amendment has not only guaranteed citizenship to former slaves but to most children born within the United States, even if the child’s parents are not and cannot become citizens.

    Amendment XIV, however, limited the broad grant of citizenship to those “subject to U.S. jurisdiction.” As a result, Native Americans, who were governed by tribal law, were not guaranteed citizenship by this amendment. Many Native Americans became citizens by a variety of means such as marriage, treaties, or military service. But with the passage of the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, Congress granted the rights of citizenship to all Native Americans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annenberg_Foundation
    The Annenberg Foundation is a family foundation that provides funding and support to non-profit organizations in the United States and around the world.[2] Some of the Foundation's core initiatives are the Annenberg/Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) project (now Annenberg Learner), which funds many educational television shows broadcast on Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)

    http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html
    "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country." ~~1866, Senator Jacob Howard

    http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/jbalkin/conlaw/senatorhowardspeechonthefourteenthamendment.pdf
    SENATOR JACOB HOWARD, SPEECH INTRODUCING THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT
    Speech delivered in the U.S. Senate, May 23, 1866

    Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan was a member of the Joint Committee on Reconstruction that drafted the Fourteenth Amendment.
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    Aug 21, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI seriously doubt this is what our founder fathers intended when writing the 14th amendment


    I'm curious as to why the 'unintended' consequences of the 147-year-old 14th Amendment leads to conservative outrage, while the perverse consequences of the 223-year-old 2nd Amendment results in conservative indifference.
  • jock_1

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    Aug 22, 2015 1:55 AM GMT
    metta8 saidJeb Bush: ‘Anchor babies’ isn’t offensive

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeb-bush-%e2%80%98anchor-babies%e2%80%99-isn%e2%80%99t-offensive/ar-BBlW5G5

    http://goo.gl/GHKxna


    No "anchor babies" are offensive and its the correct term. I bet many Americans didn't even know what an anchor baby was or that we have to fully support these babies whos mothers come here, squat down and then give birth simply for the fact that out country proclaims them US citizens and there for their families are as well. Our country is broken in many areas, this is one that needs to be fixed. Hillary won't, Trump will, our tax money will go on to be drained for supporting these "baby dumps" in America.
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    Aug 22, 2015 9:44 AM GMT
    sunjbill said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI seriously doubt this is what our founder fathers intended when writing the 14th amendment


    I'm curious as to why the 'unintended' consequences of the 147-year-old 14th Amendment leads to conservative outrage, while the perverse consequences of the 223-year-old 2nd Amendment results in conservative indifference.


    Our 2nd Amendment didn't seem too perverse to you guys in the past, given that without us you'd all be speaking German for the last 70 years.


    I'm trying to see how that's relevant to the discussion. Come to think of it, not only is it irrelevant, but it's not even a coherent argument.
  • bobbobbob

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    Aug 22, 2015 1:52 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    I just wish Trump would back off on the "wall" thing, it is a pretty stupid idea - just keep deporting them


    Working on the assumption that Trump isn't an a complete idiot, I actually thought the same way, TJ, then I flipped it and asked myself, how the hell could Trump be talking about Mexico paying for a wall if he's a rational businessman.... Then, with some research HOLY FUCK.... I found it... Mexico paying for $800 million dollar wall will cost them less than an executive order raising the fees of international money transfers from 6% to 12%. Right now Mexico is sucking up 24 cents on every US dollar sent south of the border from immigrants helping their families.

    BRILLIANT!
    That underscores the difference between a smarmy politician and a shrewd businessman.

    I'm all for that if that's what Trump has in mind.
  • rnch

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    Aug 22, 2015 2:04 PM GMT
    The longer this clueless, ignorant buffoon campaigns the more the resemblance to his brother Dubya emerges.





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  • KissTheSky

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    Aug 22, 2015 7:41 PM GMT
    Let's get real: The GOP is the party of bigotry. Republican primary voters LOVE to hear minorities bashed.
    After Donald Trump rocketed to the top of the GOP polls with his own brand of anti-immigrant bigotry (calling them rapists and drug dealers), the other Republican candidates are now in a race to see who can be the most hateful and offensive to Latinos. This is Jeb's latest dive for the bottom of the barrel.
    What a lovely party.
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    Aug 22, 2015 7:52 PM GMT
    bobbobbob saidThis is just a continuation of the intellectual dishonesty and bankruptcy of the left - how long have they been at war with the usage of common words rather than the messages in they convey?

    From their perspective (if they were honest about it).......
    Anchor baby is offensive because it accurately describes a problem they cannot honestly address.
    Remember the short lived effort to ban the word Thug?
    They still like to argue about people in the US without following legal procedures being called illegal immigrants.
    I still sneer when I hear a liar caught red handed saying he misspoke
    Who was it before a congressional hearing last year who said he disremembered rather than admit he'd been caught in a lie?

    If Donald Trump implodes before the primary he will still have had one of the greatest effects on US political dichotomy in over half a century. He has stood up to and bitch slapped the entire institution of political correctness and contrary to desperate liberal propaganda, the vast majority of Americans agree with him.

    Socalfitness this dovetails with your post "A Willing Suspension of Disbelief" By Bruce Walker

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4100788


    You are so full of.........loaded language

    Snarl words:
    A snarl word is a derogatory label that can be attached to something, in order to dismiss its importance or worth, without guilt. When used as snarl words, these words are essentially meaningless; most of them can be used with meaning, but rarely are.

    While not actually using the word, liberal comedian/pundit/U.S. Senator Al Franken went into great detail about the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"'s use of snarl words and other forms of emotional appeal in his first political work, Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot, specifically referencing Newt Gingrich, Frank Luntz, and Lee Atwater's political activities and conservative pressure groups' reliance on such tactics to slam through the 1994 Contract With America program.

    Words frequently perceived and/or used as snarl words include:

    Astroturfer
    Atheist
    Bigot
    Bourgeois
    Brogressive
    Capitalist


    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Snarl_word#Snarl_words
  • metta

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    Aug 26, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
    Heck of a job, Jeb: Bush features official behind botched Katrina response in ‘hurricane’ ad


    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/heck-of-a-job-jeb-bush-features-official-behind-botched-katrina-response-in-hurricane-ad/
  • metta

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    Aug 28, 2015 12:54 AM GMT
    Jeb Bush's Gay 'Friends' Aren't Voting For Him


    “I can separate my friendship from my politics, which is why I’m not voting for my friend, Jeb Bush.”


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uncucumbered/jeb_bush_s_gay_friends_aren_t_voting_for_him?recruiter_id=17
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    Aug 28, 2015 12:59 AM GMT
    Mett8.....I started a post weeks ago declaring JEB the DORK!! Your just now figuring it out??? Do you ever read any of the other posts? OR do you just copy paste everything you see in sight?? ;;;;;;;JAB:::::THE""""""""JEB!!!!
  • metta

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    Aug 30, 2015 7:13 AM GMT
    Top Jeb fundraisers leave campaign amid troubling signs

    The move comes amid weak poll numbers and concerns that Bush's torrid fundraising pace has slowed.

    "Three top Jeb Bush fundraisers abruptly parted ways with his presidential campaign on Friday, amid internal personality conflicts and questions about the strength of his candidacy"

    "Kris Money, Trey McCarley, and Debbie Aleksander — have said that they voluntarily quit the campaign and were still working with Bush's super PAC, Right to Rise Super PAC. Others said the three, who worked under the same contract, were let go because they were no longer needed for the current phase of the campaign."

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-president-2016-fundraisers-problems-213156
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    Aug 30, 2015 10:25 AM GMT
    2Bnaked saidMett8.....I started a post weeks ago declaring JEB the DORK!! Your just now figuring it out??? Do you ever read any of the other posts? OR do you just copy paste everything you see in sight?? ;;;;;;;JAB:::::THE""""""""JEB!!!!


    This is the same guy who, only yesterday, was bleating about how mean RJ liberals are to him. Yet today, here he is having a Southbeach-style bitch about Metta8.
  • metta

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    Sep 20, 2015 3:27 AM GMT
    Jeb Hits Trump: Obama Is 'American' And 'A Christian'


    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-trump-obama-muslim
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 20, 2015 3:39 AM GMT
    I think it's a little too little too late for Jeb to have found his spine. He should have stood up to Trump months ago.
    His numbers have sunk like a stone... he's now polling in the single digits. And this was supposed to be the GOP's big hope?
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    Sep 20, 2015 3:42 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidI think it's a little too little too late for Jeb to have found his spine. He should have stood up to Trump months ago.
    His numbers have sunk like a stone... he's now polling in the single digits. And this was supposed to be the GOP's big hope?


    I've also moved on from Jeb. He's been out of office too long and too rusty. I'll hang my hat for now with Kasich. That may also change as time moves on.
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    Sep 20, 2015 3:43 AM GMT
    metta saidJeb Hits Trump: Obama Is 'American' And 'A Christian'


    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-trump-obama-muslim


    Jeb should have gotten a lot stronger a long time ago. I think his time has passed.
  • metta

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    Sep 23, 2015 6:08 AM GMT
    Jeb: A 'Multicultural' Society May Lead To 'Retarded' Assimilation

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-multicultural-iowa