America was NOT founded on Christianity

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    Aug 23, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    Start spreading the news, I call it........ America has been Hijacked, by the OCD, control freaks icon_twisted.gif


    How the Religious Right Is Destroying Democracy
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tina-issa/how-the-religious-right-is-destroying-democracy_b_8018528.html

    You may have noticed a new phenomenon creeping up in this country, it is this trend of our laws taking a backseat to religion. Whether it is the action of not following laws or court rulings in the name of religion or dictating laws based on religion, our country is slowly being destroyed by our religious right politicians. They are morphing us into a theocracy.

    Not what the Founding Fathers had in mind:

    "The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The Treaty of Tripoli -- John Adams, 1797

    "In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws." George Washington, 1793

    "The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State." James Madison, 1813

    "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." Thomas Jefferson, 1814

    Yet here we are, knee deep in Evangelical Governance.

    When did it become all the rage to dismiss court orders in favor of the Bible? Those pesky court orders telling them to do their taxpayer funded Government job should be followed in a normal democracy, yet it's not happening. Hence the destruction of the civil rights of those seeking the licenses. Not to mention absolutely no regard for the law.

    And dare I say that when George W. Bush says he's on a Crusade before starting a war, or that "God told" him to fight in Iraq that there is some religious motivation there.
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    Aug 23, 2015 12:49 AM GMT
    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/840
    "Under God"--A Product of the 1950's Red Scare

    ...the founders opposed the institutionalization of religion...kept the Constitution free of references to God. The document mentions religion only to guarantee that godly belief would never be used as a qualification for holding office—a departure from many existing state constitutions. That the founders made erecting a church-state wall their first priority when they added the Bill of Rights to the Constitution reveals the importance they placed on maintaining what Isaac Kramnick and R. Laurence Moore have called a"godless Constitution."...

    ....The efforts to bring God into the state reached their peak during the so-called "religious revival" of the 1950s...Billy Graham rose to fame as a Red-baiter who warned that Americans would perish in a nuclear holocaust unless they embraced Jesus Christ...
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    Aug 23, 2015 12:53 AM GMT
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
    "Separation of church and state" (sometimes "wall of separation between church and state") is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson and others expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States...

    ...Jefferson's metaphor of a wall of separation has been cited repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court. In Reynolds v. United States (1879) the Court wrote that Jefferson's comments "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment." In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), Justice Hugo Black wrote: "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."


    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Letter_to_the_Danbury_Baptists_-_January_1,_1802
    To Messrs. Nehemiah Dodge and Others
    A Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association in the State of Connecticut

    January 1, 1802

    Gentlemen,

    The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.

    Thomas Jefferson
    President of the United States
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    Aug 23, 2015 12:55 AM GMT

    ELNathB..... sooner or later you and I had to agree on something and this is a core issue. You're 1000000000% correct on this. I'll step back and not throw in history and other fact based information to bore cotton candy brained liberaggots.

    But you forgot to include Abe Lincoln's private views on Christianity... tisk tisk tisk. His words cut deeper than Tommy Jefferson's.

    And I will fight with all that is my life in opposition to the tyranny of superstitions.
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    Aug 23, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    These nut jobs have been fighting for over 1,000 years, dismantling our secular US Constitution in favor of Christianity sharia law gives them reason to keep fighting their wars for another 1,000 years. The Christian terrorist network must see themselves at a war disadvantage because the Islamic terrorist network is much more of a controlled, disciplined environment. icon_rolleyes.gif




    Timeline for the Crusades and Christian Holy War to c.1350
    http://usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/crusades_timeline.htm

    Difference between Augustinian “just war” and “crusade”:

    The standard for a Christian “just war” as developed by Augustine (c. A.D. 400) is: “rightful intention on the part of the participants, which should always be expressed through love of God and neighbour; a just cause; and legitimate proclamation by a qualified authority.” (Quoted from J. Riley-Smith, The Crusades, Yale University, 1987.) The doctrine of holy war/crusade added two further assumptions: 1) Violence and its consequences–death and injury–are morally neutral rather than intrinsically evil, and whether violence is good or bad is a matter of intention. (The analogy is to a surgeon, who cuts into the body, thus injuring it, in order to make it better/healthier.) 2) Christ is concerned with the political order of man, and intends for his agents on earth, kings, popes, bishops, to establish on earth a Christian Republic that was a “single, universal, transcendental state’ ruled by Christ through the lay and clerical magistrates he endowed with authority. (modern day Kentucky clerk Kim Davis and her religious freedom)

    It follows from this that the defense of the Christian Republic against God’s enemies, whether foreign infidel (e.g. Turks) or domestic heretics and Jews was a moral imperative for those qualified to fight. A Crusade was a holy war fought against external or internal enemies for the recovery of Christian property or defense of the Church or the Christian people. It could be wages against Turks in Palestine, Muslims in Spain, pagan Slavs in the Baltic, or heretics in southern France, all of whom were enemies or rebels against God.

    Comparing Republican “Christian Values” To Islamic Fundamentalism
    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/comparing-republican-christian-values-to-islamic-fundamentalism/

    Tea Party Republicans Want Christian Sharia Law
    http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2014/07/tea-party-republicans-want-christian.html

    These Republicans Are Pushing Their Own Version Of ‘Sharia Law’ For Public Schools
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/09/these-republicans-are-pushing-their-own-version-of-sharia-law-for-public-schools/

    Republican Wants America To Be More Like Saudi Arabia – Christian Sharia Law on the Horizon!
    http://aattp.org/republican-wants-america-to-be-more-like-saudi-arabia-christian-sharia-law-on-the-horizon/

    Ever notice that Sharia Law and the republican platform look very similar?
    https://twitter.com/bipartisanism/status/584403009196597248

    57% Of Republicans Say Dismantle Constitution And Make Christianity National Religion
    http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html

    A Public Policy Polling (PPP) national survey conducted between February 20th and February 22nd of Republican voters, found that an astonishing 57 percent of Republicans want to dismantle the Constitution, and establish Christianity as the official national religion. Only 30 percent oppose making Christianity the national religion.

    Although the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment clearly states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” GOP voters want to cast aside that provision and impose Christianity as the official American religion.

    While a number of red states have passed statutes forbidding the implementation of Islam-based sharia law in their states, Republicans apparently have no misgivings about turning the United States into a Christian theocracy





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    Aug 23, 2015 1:50 AM GMT
    ^^^^This was a very important part of their crusade wars timeline. These Knights Templars went underground and exist today in the form of Freemason-Illuminati, who still perform witch craft. Their 'modern' presence is how their numerology symbolism got onto our one dollar bill

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    1307-1312 Suppression of the Knights Templar. In 1307 King Philip IV ordered the arrest of all the Knights Templar in France, charging them with heresy (including rites of spitting on the cross and worshipping the head of an idol called “Baphomet”), sodomy, and witchcraft. Under torture, Templars confessed, which King Philip used to pressure the pope to suppress the Order. Philip’s motivation was probably financial. Threatened with military force by King Philip, Pope Clement VI dissolved the order in 1312. In 1314 the last Grand Master of the order, Jacques de Molay, and Geoffrey de Charny, Preceptor of Normandy, faced with life imprisonment, recanted their confessions and were burnt at the stake.
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    Aug 23, 2015 2:21 AM GMT
    ELNathB saidAmerica was NOT founded on Christianity
    Yep, and that basic fact (that everyone should know) is the ONLY thing keeping this country from completely falling apart.
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    Aug 23, 2015 2:55 AM GMT
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    ELNathB saidAmerica was NOT founded on Christianity
    Yep, and that basic fact (that everyone should know) is the ONLY thing keeping this country from completely falling apart.



    Unfortunately, many like myself were not aware of this truth for most of our lives because of course, the religious figures in ones life are not going to tell you this stuff for obvious reasons. That is part of their control and brainwashing mechanism.

    As I have said before, the internet age has been the game changer. Most do not have to rely on words spoken from people with agendas. Before the internet, religion relied and preyed upon people, who, lets be honest about it, lack the education or knowledge. If I remember right, I had a very good K thru 12 Lutheran education, ready for college. Both history and religious classes were required to graduate. Since this statement "America was NOT founded on Christianity" could be found in both my history class and religious class, but neither my conservative history teacher nor my conservative religious teacher ever presented this truth in any class. I went through most of my adult life thinking our constitution was built upon biblical principles and I shame my Lutheran school and its teachers for leaving this truth out. But again, their agenda wasn't to tell the truth, it was to redirect it.


    Many of my classmates, prepared for and went here to college:

    Concordia University System
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordia_University_System

    The Concordia University System (CUS) is an organization of ten colleges and universities throughout the United States operated by the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod (LCMS). All ten institutions are named "Concordia"--a reference to the Latin title of The Book of Concord, the collection of Lutheran confessions--and all include professional church work programs as part of their curricula. The CUS was formed in 1992. As of 2011, 28,421 students attend Concordia System colleges.[1]

    Each Concordia is independent and has its own president, faculty, and board of regents. At the same time, the ten schools interact with one another and share some resources and services. One service offered by the CUS, the Simultaneous Enrollment Program, allows any student enrolled at one Concordia to attend another CUS college for up to a year as a "visiting student." During this time, visiting students are considered to be enrolled at both CUS institutions simultaneously.

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    Aug 23, 2015 5:57 AM GMT
    "While a number of red states have passed statutes forbidding the implementation of Islam-based sharia law in their states, Republicans apparently have no misgivings about turning the United States into a Christian theocracy."

    Having to choose between the two, I'd prefer, as a homosexual, to live under a Christian theocracy rather than Islam-based sharia law. At least I could live. The followers of Islam tend to want to throw us off of buildings and stone us. Christians have evolved over the passing centuries.
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    Aug 23, 2015 9:55 AM GMT

    ELNathB...... so much for agreeing on anything.... LOL!!! You've taken a excursion to Tinfoilhatville and you're 100000000% wrong. But it's a common mistake which still doesn't excuse it.

    Let's deal with it one piece at a time.

    Illuminati: Obviously you've not bothered to read about Adam Weishaupt and his ideas. The short version of that is he assembled a group of lower nobility and wealthy merchants who plotted to overthrow European nobility by inciting riots and rebellions amongst the proletariat with ideas wealth redistribution. He proposed to redesign societies from bottom to top as dictatorships that would control all aspects of life. His ideas came to fruition under Maximillian Robespierre during the Reign of Terror in France which was the most brutal and obscene experiments in social engineering up to that age. The principles of Weishaupt survived in small circles but were suppressed until the mid 1800s until a group of Englishmen who called themelves The League of the Just hired Frederick Ingels and Karl Marx to take the principles of Weishaupt and put them into a format that would appeal to a broader readership. Hence came The Manifesto of the Communist Party.

    That blows the fuck out of the idea the founding fathers of the United States were in any way associated with the Illuminati.

    All of them were very well acquainted with its principles the same way they were acquainted with the principles of John Locke, Voltaire, Adam Smith, Denis Diderot, Immanuel Kant, David Hume, Matthew Tindall, and my favorite of them all, Stanislas Leszczynski - the man Voltaire anonymously wrote about as his model of the ideal benevolent tyrant.

    In the late 1700s, the primary source of entertainment wasn't television. It was books and in the American colonies books were in such great demand printers pirated them the same way music and movies are pirated today who printed them in the forms of inexpensive 16 or 24 page pamphlets which are amongst the rarest and most collectible printed material of the 21st century.

    If you and I transported back in time to the North American colonies 1760 and met any ragged farmer who could read he would consider us illiterate for our lack of knowledge of the great minds of that age known as "the Enlightenment" today. Next to them you and I would be political and philosophical imbeciles. People in that era, particularly in the North American colonies were voracious readers of anything they could obtain. The majority who could not read congregated in taverns, or sitting rooms to listen to as those who could read did so aloud.

    One of the greatest heirlooms of my paternal geneology are the handwritten sermons of our Georgia progenitor, an Episcopal priest, reconciling the deist writings of his time with Christianity of his time. To read them and understand them you'd first need to read everything by the authors mentioned above and at least thirty others.... none of which are renowned for fiction fodder of the likes written by Steven King, Fitzgerald, Capote or Thomas Wolfe. He wrote with a heart bleeding with compassion and never once in all his written sermons quoted the Bible. He quoted Voltaire, Rousseau and Diderot.


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    Aug 23, 2015 6:11 PM GMT
    I rather like the Church of England. The bishops wear pretty frocks.