England air show crash- When its Your Time

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    Aug 23, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
    11 people on the ground killed so far, I assume they were in their cars. You are in your car, probably music on, stuck in freeway traffic, you don't see it coming and BAM, you are killed. I cant even imagine, when its your time to leave this world, sometimes you are taken and you don't have a choice about it, just incredible turn of fate icon_eek.gif

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/23/europe/england-air-show-plane-crash/




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    Aug 23, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
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    Aug 23, 2015 10:25 PM GMT
    It is very sad and a terrible twist of fate. The dead had nothing to do with this airshow, or its risks at all. They were simply sitting in a traffic queue.
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    Aug 23, 2015 10:30 PM GMT
    how can "fate" possibly "twist" or "turn" when "fate" itself implies inevitability?

    fate is an absurd notion
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    Aug 23, 2015 10:36 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    fate is an absurd notion

    YOU are an absurd notion. One of the dictionary meanings for fate is:

    • the outcome of a particular situation for someone or something, seen as beyond their control

    That meaning perfectly applies to these air crash victims.
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    Aug 23, 2015 10:46 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    tj85016 said
    fate is an absurd notion

    YOU are an absurd notion. One of the dictionary meanings for fate is:

    • the outcome of a particular situation for someone or something, seen as beyond their control

    That meaning perfectly applies to these air crash victims.


    or:

    The effect, consequence, outcome, or inevitable events predetermined by this cause. Destiny; often with a connotation of death, ruin, misfortune, etc

    so, once again, you're wrong - fate ALWAYS implies inevitability, otherwise it's not fatalistic

    "fate" always implies pre-determination



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    Aug 23, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
    Just more proof that driving is more dangerous than flying.
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    Aug 24, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    Very sad.
    tj85016 saidThe effect, consequence, outcome, or inevitable events predetermined by this cause. Destiny; often with a connotation of death, ruin, misfortune, etc

    ... fate ALWAYS implies inevitability, otherwise it's not fatalistic

    "fate" always implies pre-determination

    You have not grasped that correctly.

    Mil8's statement that "It is very sad and a terrible twist of fate. The dead had nothing to do with this airshow, or its risks at all." is completely correct.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fate
    1 : the will or principle or determining cause by which things in general are believed to come to be as they are or events to happen as they do

    (also)

    3 a : final outcome

    So he's noting that the people watching the show, who might have been by that putting themselves at risk were not the ones who died, rather those who did not subject themselves to "the...principle...determining cause" wound up being they who "(came) to be" dead.

    That absolutely is a twist of fate.
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    Aug 24, 2015 3:45 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    Art_Deco said
    tj85016 said
    fate is an absurd notion

    YOU are an absurd notion. One of the dictionary meanings for fate is:

    • the outcome of a particular situation for someone or something, seen as beyond their control

    That meaning perfectly applies to these air crash victims.


    or:

    The effect, consequence, outcome, or inevitable events predetermined by this cause. Destiny; often with a connotation of death, ruin, misfortune, etc

    so, once again, you're wrong - fate ALWAYS implies inevitability, otherwise it's not fatalistic

    "fate" always implies pre-determination







    What this movie series is all about, death's design. Fate, destiny, it does imply inevitability, in this air show crash, it was these peoples fateful destiny that there death happen now, meaning everyone has to die at one point, that is the inevitability part of fate. In this movie series, people tried to alter their fate or deaths inevitability by trying to 'cheat death'. Nobody can do that because death, now or later, is inevitable. Since we know death is inevitable, it is fate that determines when and probably how.


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    Aug 24, 2015 4:54 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidJust more proof that driving is more dangerous than flying.


    Except that 'driving' isn't what caused these deaths. Rather they were caused by an aircraft crashing into people on the ground (who just happened to be sitting in cars). The odds of being killed in this way are, of course, infinitesimally small.