Senior affluent white males drinking to excess

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    http://on.aol.com/video/warning-over-alarming-alcohol-use-by-over-65s-519031380?
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    Aug 25, 2015 1:53 AM GMT
    The solid middle class too.
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    Aug 25, 2015 2:11 AM GMT
    Is this a British study?
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    Aug 25, 2015 7:34 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.
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    kew1 said
    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.


    Yes, I think it was, but applies here in U S as much or more.
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    kew1 said
    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.

    Yes, I think it was, but applies here in U S as much or more.

    Applies to the US on what authoriity? Upon what peer-reviewed study?

    If you're relying on personal observation, or anecdotal stories, then I have my own. Within my own circle of rather geriatric gays, most of them comfortably affluent, NO ONE gets drunk, or otherwise drinks to excess. In fact, I've never seen any of them drunk, nor other older gay men with whom I come in contact. The few drunks are all younger, in the 20-30 range.

    But of course, a small localized sample, based on personal observation. I would withhold judgment until a reputable, more inclusive large-scale study is done.
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    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    kew1 said
    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.

    Yes, I think it was, but applies here in U S as much or more.

    Applies to the US on what authoriity? Upon what peer-reviewed study?

    If you're relying on personal observation, or anecdotal stories, then I have my own. Within my own circle of rather geriatric gays, most of them comfortably affluent, NO ONE gets drunk, or otherwise drinks to excess. In fact, I've never seen any of them drunk, nor other older gay men with whom I come in contact. The few drunks are all younger, in the 20-30 range.

    But of course, a small localized sample, based on personal observation. I would withhold judgment until a reputable, more inclusive large-scale study is done.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/07/24/the-drinking-problem-of-the-aging-affluent/

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/12/news/economy/alcohol-consumption-economy-oecd/

    http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/alcoholism/binge-drinking-cause-for-alarm-among-seniors/

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/dont-overdo-it-binge-drinking-unsafe-levels-common-among-wealthy-older-people-349248

    http://www.dailyrxnews.com/seniors-who-have-means-good-health-and-active-social-lives-may-drink-excess

    http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/a-rising-tide-of-mental-distress/?_r=0

    http://www.alternativesforseniors.com/blog/effects-alcohol-seniors

    http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/07/24/53334/well-off-baby-boomers-know-how-to-binge-drink-too/

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    Aug 25, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
    It's a symptom of social isolation, which is what really needs to be addressed rather than just haranguing people about how they cope ... but that's a much more difficult prospect and doesn't sound as dramatic.
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    swimmer_sf saidIt's a symptom of social isolation, which is what really needs to be addressed rather than just haranguing people about how they cope ... but that's a much more difficult prospect and doesn't sound as dramatic.


    I live in an oldie 55+++++ community. Very very friendly and outgoing. Most are retired or self employed in occupations where oldie folks still do well. All are age range from 65-80 and very active. A few trophy wives, but mostly old gurls too. My widowed, likely new girlfriend is my age. We'll keep separate houses ... thank you very much.

    For the first time in a long time I have folks over quite a bit. There are only about 150-170 homes in this HOA so all within walking distance. These are all pretty wealthy, well educated folks who have downsized into a smaller home for seniors.

    I was about to post a thread regarding normal stocked home bars since I don't really drink. When I have these folks over, all I really have to offer is beer. I need to have some other choices.

    What should I have to cover most 'needs'? These guys drink a little, but since no worry about driving home ..... we could get really shit-faced sometime. icon_eek.gificon_redface.gificon_eek.gificon_redface.gificon_eek.gificon_redface.gif
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    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    kew1 said
    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.

    Yes, I think it was, but applies here in U S as much or more.

    Applies to the US on what authoriity? Upon what peer-reviewed study?

    If you're relying on personal observation, or anecdotal stories, then I have my own. Within my own circle of rather geriatric gays, most of them comfortably affluent, NO ONE gets drunk, or otherwise drinks to excess. In fact, I've never seen any of them drunk, nor other older gay men with whom I come in contact. The few drunks are all younger, in the 20-30 range.

    But of course, a small localized sample, based on personal observation. I would withhold judgment until a reputable, more inclusive large-scale study is done.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/07/24/the-drinking-problem-of-the-aging-affluent/

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/12/news/economy/alcohol-consumption-economy-oecd/

    http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/alcoholism/binge-drinking-cause-for-alarm-among-seniors/

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/dont-overdo-it-binge-drinking-unsafe-levels-common-among-wealthy-older-people-349248

    http://www.dailyrxnews.com/seniors-who-have-means-good-health-and-active-social-lives-may-drink-excess

    http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/a-rising-tide-of-mental-distress/?_r=0

    http://www.alternativesforseniors.com/blog/effects-alcohol-seniors

    http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/07/24/53334/well-off-baby-boomers-know-how-to-binge-drink-too/

    http://www.armisteadinc.com/tag/tips/

    Thank you for this information. I dislike hearsay and conjecture.

    But it remains not what I see in my own community, and within the older gay circles I frequent. It may be a hidden problem, within a paricular demographaphic. Still an issue that needs addressing, if it's a significant problem. I was never aware of this.
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    Aug 25, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    kew1 said
    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.

    Yes, I think it was, but applies here in U S as much or more.

    Applies to the US on what authoriity? Upon what peer-reviewed study?

    If you're relying on personal observation, or anecdotal stories, then I have my own. Within my own circle of rather geriatric gays, most of them comfortably affluent, NO ONE gets drunk, or otherwise drinks to excess. In fact, I've never seen any of them drunk, nor other older gay men with whom I come in contact. The few drunks are all younger, in the 20-30 range.

    But of course, a small localized sample, based on personal observation. I would withhold judgment until a reputable, more inclusive large-scale study is done.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2015/07/24/the-drinking-problem-of-the-aging-affluent/

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/12/news/economy/alcohol-consumption-economy-oecd/

    http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/alcoholism/binge-drinking-cause-for-alarm-among-seniors/

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/dont-overdo-it-binge-drinking-unsafe-levels-common-among-wealthy-older-people-349248

    http://www.dailyrxnews.com/seniors-who-have-means-good-health-and-active-social-lives-may-drink-excess

    http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/a-rising-tide-of-mental-distress/?_r=0

    http://www.alternativesforseniors.com/blog/effects-alcohol-seniors

    http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/07/24/53334/well-off-baby-boomers-know-how-to-binge-drink-too/

    http://www.armisteadinc.com/tag/tips/

    Thank you for this information. I dislike hearsay and conjecture.

    But it remains not what I see in my own community, and within the older gay circles I frequent. It may be a hidden problem, within a paricular demographaphic. Still an issue that needs addressing, if it's a significant problem. I was never aware of this.


    See my post above yours. I'll make it more of a problem around here if I can figure out what to put in a decently stocked home bar.
  • mar0302

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    Aug 25, 2015 7:36 PM GMT
    To be fair, British culture anyway is already one of binge drinking and getting pissed.. we've got the biggest binge drinking problem in Europe.. not surprised it's carrying on into old age..
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    mar0302 saidTo be fair, British culture anyway is already one of binge drinking and getting pissed.. we've got the biggest binge drinking problem in Europe.. not surprised it's carrying on into old age..


    I would have guessed that would be Ireland.
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    Aug 25, 2015 7:50 PM GMT
    swimmer_sf saidIt's a symptom of social isolation, which is what really needs to be addressed rather than just haranguing people about how they cope ... but that's a much more difficult prospect and doesn't sound as dramatic.

    According to the video, the 65+ crowd are social drinkers who drink too much at social events.
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    Aug 25, 2015 8:25 PM GMT
    per article:


    "But despite the stereotype that binge drinking is a folly of youth, this behavior has become a quietly significant problem among the elderly. A new study from Larkin Community Hospital in Miami, Fla., found that 10 percent of a group of 4,800 seniors in Florida reported binge drinking in the last 30 days.

    This is less than the estimated 25 percent of teenagers and young adults who engage in binge drinking. Even so, it is a significant percentage and higher than reported figures. This suggests that binge drinking among the senior population is often underreported and therefore unaddressed in many individuals."

    There's an older bar in Palm Spring, Streetbar, that caters to the 60-100. It's always packed to 8 PM. By and large I'd say they handle booze better than the 21-15 age group. So it's not seen as much either.
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    Aug 26, 2015 2:07 AM GMT
    Maybe they should just do cocaine and marijuana instead like admitted drug user Barack Obama.
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    Aug 26, 2015 3:26 AM GMT
    It seems to me that senior gay cultural behavior revolves around drinking alcohol. Whether it is in bars or a good bottle of wine at home. I'm not a fan.
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    Alpha13 saidIt seems to me that senior gay cultural behavior revolves around drinking alcohol. Whether it is in bars or a good bottle of wine at home. I'm not a fan.


    I don't know any homosexuals in real life here in Columbus, but back in SoCal when I was involved in Great Autos, I found that at the out-of-town events, there was heavy drinking. This wasn't during the day, but began during happy hour and then all the rest of the evening. I don't know if that had anything to do with the three hour happy hour or not icon_rolleyes.gif

    And given the fact that the event involved old cars, that meant old gays. It was a large sample of a 1,000 or so and I didn't know anything about these people outside of these events so I have no idea if they did the same at home.

    I've done many more similar events with regular guys at Pontiac and mixed brand events and far far less drinking, but also way less fun than Great Autos.

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    Aug 26, 2015 2:19 PM GMT
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    See my post above yours. I'll make it more of a problem around here if I can figure out what to put in a decently stocked home bar.

    We have a home bar, but don't keep it stocked. When we do it's because we're having guests coming over, especially for a dinner. But we know what they'll want to drink, so we don't try to match the inventory of a commercial bar, just have on hand what the "boys" will want.

    Plus we both think it's a bad temptation to keep alcohol in the house, other than for cooking or baking. Such drinking as we do is at public bars, which serve a social function for us. The higher cost, and public nature of these places is an automatic brake on how much we'll drink, plus I have to remember my driving. Keeping a home bar leads to private drinking for the sake of the alcohol alone, not socializing, and that's a formula for ruin.

    I joke here about my drinking, which SB is always dragging up from the archive he keeps on me, because knowing my own tightly controlled drinking habits, it IS a joke I make about myself. I feel no guilt having fun about something of which I'm not guilty.

    But SB takes it out of context and portrays me as a 24-hour drunk. I believe to discredit my valid critiques of his spamming political propaganda, which I think is called attacking the messenger. And discrediting & ridiculing me in whatever way is convenient, maybe with a Hyacinth meme, maybe with other personal attacks. In some ways his obsession with me is flattering.

    You've spoken with me on the phone several times, and know me to be lucid, articulate, and unimpaired at all times (if admittedly not always very sharp). I have some thoughts about your observations of seniors at your car meets, but this post if getting lengthy, so perhaps for another.
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    Aug 26, 2015 3:10 PM GMT
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    See my post above yours. I'll make it more of a problem around here if I can figure out what to put in a decently stocked home bar.

    We have a home bar, but don't keep it stocked. When we do it's because we're having guests coming over, especially for a dinner. But we know what they'll want to drink, so we don't try to match the inventory of a commercial bar, just have on hand what the "boys" will want.

    Plus we both think it's a bad temptation to keep alcohol in the house, other than for cooking or baking. Such drinking as we do is at public bars, which serve a social function for us. The higher cost, and public nature of these places is an automatic brake on how much we'll drink, plus I have to remember my driving. Keeping a home bar leads to private drinking for the sake of the alcohol alone, not socializing, and that's a formula for ruin.

    You've spoken with me on the phone several times, and know me to be lucid, articulate, and unimpaired at all times (if admittedly not always very sharp). I have some thoughts about your observations of seniors at your car meets, but this post if getting lengthy, so perhaps for another.


    Another RYer, whom you know, got back to me with specific list of what will cover most of the 'needs'. I don't know how much it'll get used, but it just felt strange having a built in bar and only beer to offer.

    I can't get 'lit like rocket' because unlike many others here, I still work and have to work much harder to make up for the average deal size being much smaller than in SoCal.

    And regarding the car meet thing: I've talked about great autos here many times and we just had a riot.

    Even their event promos were far more creative, but far more drinking.








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    Another RYer, whom you know, got back to me with specific list of what will cover most of the 'needs'. I don't know how much it'll get used, but it just felt strange having a built in bar and only beer to offer.

    I can't get 'lit like rocket' because unlike many others here, I still work and have to work much harder to make up for the average deal size being much smaller than in SoCal.

    And regarding the car meet thing: I've talked about great autos here many times and we just had a riot.

    Even their event promos were far more creative, but far more drinking.

    I understand the work restriction. For most of my 25 years in the Army I had to do dawn PT at least 3 times a week, starting on Monday. If I had any alcohol the night before, especially gin, which I used to love, the next morning I was running as if sandbags were strapped to my legs.

    So my social drinking was limited to Friday night, usually for Officer's Call at the Club. Where you dared not get too tipsy, in front of your more senior Officer bosses. Or your career might be ruined, as I saw happen to one Lt. Colonel who got sloppy drunk.

    So I could drink a little on Friday night, and again on Saturday at dinner, which was usually out for a change, and sometimes a large Officer's party with spouses, which oddly enough I was always tasked with arranging. But nothing on Sunday, because Monday morning dawned appallingly early.

    And of course when I was in the field there were no clubs. Although it always surprised me how some Officers always managed to bring some booze with them, and I'd sometimes sneak a short drink with them.

    But again never too much, because I still had to schlep all around the woods, and not be hurting while doing it. And we all knew the Sergeants were doing the same thing, but we never intruded on them. It was a kind of professional respect thing, even if we were all technically breaking the rules. I don't know if that world still exists.

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    43rueperronet said
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    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.

    Yes, I think it was, but applies here in U S as much or more.

    Applies to the US on what authoriity? Upon what peer-reviewed study?

    If you're relying on personal observation, or anecdotal stories, then I have my own. Within my own circle of rather geriatric gays, most of them comfortably affluent, NO ONE gets drunk, or otherwise drinks to excess. In fact, I've never seen any of them drunk, nor other older gay men with whom I come in contact. The few drunks are all younger, in the 20-30 range.

    But of course, a small localized sample, based on personal observation. I would withhold judgment until a reputable, more inclusive large-scale study is done.






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    Radd said
    43rueperronet said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    kew1 said
    Art_Deco saidIs this a British study?

    I think so, I didn't watch the video but it was on our news yesterday.

    Yes, I think it was, but applies here in U S as much or more.

    Applies to the US on what authoriity? Upon what peer-reviewed study?

    If you're relying on personal observation, or anecdotal stories, then I have my own. Within my own circle of rather geriatric gays, most of them comfortably affluent, NO ONE gets drunk, or otherwise drinks to excess. In fact, I've never seen any of them drunk, nor other older gay men with whom I come in contact. The few drunks are all younger, in the 20-30 range.

    But of course, a small localized sample, based on personal observation. I would withhold judgment until a reputable, more inclusive large-scale study is done.






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    They are not the same person.
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    Aug 26, 2015 5:28 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
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    Another RYer, whom you know, got back to me with specific list of what will cover most of the 'needs'. I don't know how much it'll get used, but it just felt strange having a built in bar and only beer to offer.

    I can't get 'lit like rocket' because unlike many others here, I still work and have to work much harder to make up for the average deal size being much smaller than in SoCal.

    And regarding the car meet thing: I've talked about great autos here many times and we just had a riot.

    Even their event promos were far more creative, but far more drinking.

    I understand the work restriction. For most of my 25 years in the Army I had to do dawn PT at least 3 times a week, starting on Monday. If I had any alcohol the night before, especially gin, which I used to love, the next morning I was running as if sandbags were strapped to my legs.

    So my social drinking was limited to Friday night, usually for Officer's Call at the Club. Where you dared not get too tipsy, in front of your more senior Officer bosses. Or your career might be ruined, as I saw happen to one Lt. Colonel who got sloppy drunk.

    So I could drink a little on Friday night, and again on Saturday at dinner, which was usually out for a change, and sometimes a large Officer's party with spouses, which oddly enough I was always tasked with arranging. But nothing on Sunday, because Monday morning dawned appallingly early.

    And of course when I was in the field there were no clubs. Although it always surprised me how some Officers always managed to bring some booze with them, and I'd sometimes sneak a short drink with them.

    But again never too much, because I still had to schlep all around the woods, and not be hurting while doing it. And we all knew the Sergeants were doing the same thing, but we never intruded on them. It was a kind of professional respect thing, even if we were all technically breaking the rules. I don't know if that world still exists.



    I think some of things that led to big bunch of drinking is:

    1) no one was from there (SLO). Everyone came from SoCal, Palm Spring, SD or NorCal

    2) it was once a year so old friends who haven't seen each other in a year.

    3) It was a supremely silly event. The after happy-hour dinner and shows were hilarious. It was my drunkest event of the year, by far.

    4) it was wisely structured in such a way that we didn't need to get back in our cars after happy hour with the exception of drive-in movie night (I could write a book).

    5) Central Coast gets really chilly at night so we considered it antifreeze.