Stephen Hawking believes he’s solved a huge mystery about black holes

  • metta

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    Aug 25, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
    Stephen Hawking believes he’s solved a huge mystery about black holes

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/08/25/stephen-hawking-believes-hes-solved-a-huge-mystery-about-black-holes/
  • NealJohn

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    Aug 25, 2015 6:51 PM GMT
    I am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.
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    Aug 25, 2015 10:04 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    They don't claim to be always right.
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    Aug 25, 2015 10:10 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    Self fulfilling prophecy much? You clearly don't understand how the scientific method works, or how competitive the science field is.

    Part of proper science is questioning everything that you find and that's presented to you, and accepting when one of your theories is proven to be incorrect.
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    Aug 25, 2015 10:15 PM GMT
    ^
    exactly. That is why it is a theory and not a proven fact. That is what the most basic intro to science book should teach in the first chapter. It surprises me when people don't get that.
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    Aug 25, 2015 10:20 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    Well you have to study science to understand science...
    the difference between science and religion is that science is based on logical principals that can be proved by empiric experiments ,experiments that can be done again and again and will result with the same conclusions.
    the fact that YOU don't understand how fossils prove for example the evolution theory ,just proves you haven't study it,not that its not true.
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    Aug 25, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
    Ashdod said
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    Well you have to study science to understand science...
    the difference between science and religion is that science is based on logical principals that can be proved by empiric experiments ,experiments that can be done again and again and will result with the same conclusions.
    the fact that YOU don't understand how fossils prove for example the evolution theory ,just proves you haven't study it,not that its not true.


    Thirty or so years ago one could claim that fossils failed to prove evolutionary theory since there were so many missing links that it was somewhat of a stretch to believe that a chain actually existed. However, since then there have been so many discoveries that, at least in my opinion, evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
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    Aug 25, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    Nor can we see atoms, but, we can see their trails. Atom bombs go BOOM!!

    Science is different from false belief systems. It is duplicateable.
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    Aug 26, 2015 1:18 AM GMT
    Ashdod said
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.

    Well you have to study science to understand science...
    the difference between science and religion is that science is based on logical principals that can be proved by empiric experiments ,experiments that can be done again and again and will result with the same conclusions.
    the fact that YOU don't understand how fossils prove for example the evolution theory ,just proves you haven't study it, not that its not true.

    That's called this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproducibility
    Reproducibility is the ability of an entire experiment or study to be duplicated, either by the same researcher or by someone else working independently. Reproducing an experiment is called replicating it. Reproducibility is one of the main principles of the scientific method.

    & in that NealJohn, science isn't so much about consensus-- though the term is used--in the same way as a consensus of political opinion because they are not deciding on the interests of the group but deciding by what reproducible evidence tells them.

    Example: a group gets together and decides by consensus that alcohol should be made unavailable on Sundays vs a group gets together, evaluates the evidence and decides by consensus that alcohol is dangerous to a living being. In once sense, you might be debating moral issues, but in the scientific sense you are evaluating the evidence of cirrhosis or Korsakoff Syndrome (alcohol related dementia--I have a dear friend who suffers that) etc.

    So it isn't just that science is about the opinion of relatively few people, but that a number of people, whatever that number might be, replicated data and came to concurring results.

    Religion is more like an old man set in his ways. Science is like a child always asking why.
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    Aug 26, 2015 2:21 AM GMT
    My talking points would be

    the speed at which matter theoretically enters a black hole

    how long is the holographic picture snapping going on, using how much memory, stored where, for how long?

    What is the diameter of the black hole? and how deep along the radius does the picture-snapping go?
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    Aug 26, 2015 3:43 AM GMT
    The beautiful thing about science is the following: Science is willing to rethink its belief system should new and more compelling evidence become available.

    I love science because it is rational and it readily accepts other points of view, however bizarre, and then dismiss those beliefs when the preponderance of the evidence seems to point in another direction.

    Unlike religion......
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    Aug 26, 2015 4:30 AM GMT
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    Aug 26, 2015 4:42 AM GMT
    "Where does the information go when the black hole that's absorbed it goes kaput?"

    Armchair physicist here, but I believe that all information and matter absorbed by black holes either transforms into some sort of dark matter dissipating into the ether of space, or is transported into another dimension.
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    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    Self fulfilling prophecy much? You clearly don't understand how the scientific method works, or how competitive the science field is.

    Part of proper science is questioning everything that you find and that's presented to you, and accepting when one of your theories is proven to be incorrect.



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    Thank you for saving me the trouble of writing this.
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    Aug 26, 2015 9:04 AM GMT
    NealJohn said
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole...

    Actually the Event Horizon Telescope project is underway, using VLBI see Scientific American, Sep 2015 ("The Black Hole Test," pp74ff.) Results are expected in just a few years.
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    Aug 26, 2015 11:40 AM GMT
    So many angry and sarcastic people; you should channel that energy into your fitness regime and you might see results #trolls#provemeright
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    Aug 26, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    I wholly agree with you.
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    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.
    This guy has a Black Hole...ummm....just saying, I have one too!
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    Aug 27, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    CLTMike46 saidThe beautiful thing about science is the following: Science is willing to rethink its belief system should new and more compelling evidence become available.

    I love science because it is rational and it readily accepts other points of view, however bizarre, and then dismiss those beliefs when the preponderance of the evidence seems to point in another direction.

    Unlike religion......

    +1

    Religion is, by definition, false, and discourages discovery (they call it blasphemy). Science ENCOURAGES encourages discover, critical thinking, predictability, reproducability, and ongoing critical examination. Exactly what false belief systems penalize.

    False belief systems are a clear and present danger to all modern man, and have no place with educated people capable of introspection, and critical thinking.
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    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    Self fulfilling prophecy much? You clearly don't understand how the scientific method works, or how competitive the science field is.

    Part of proper science is questioning everything that you find and that's presented to you, and accepting when one of your theories is proven to be incorrect.


    +1

    Science invites examination. False belief systems punish it. It's called religious oppression.

    The World is not flat. Rainbows are not acts of a magic friend in the sky. Rainbows are simply the refract of light by water. Period. No magic friend.
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    GwgTrunks said
    NealJohn saidI am sure my comment is going to bring backlash but here goes. You have to love the scientists who think they can solve the mysteries of creation and the universe by merely observing things from a very finite vantage point. To me, science today is very much like religion of medieval times; widely excepted without question and if questioned, one is assumed to be uneducated or ignorant.
    The fact is no one on earth can study a black hole because it is millions of miles away, just as no one on earth can know the origins of the universe by analyzing bones and dirt. I don't understand how the whole world can trust the few ( scientists make up a small fraction of the world population ) who claim these things.


    Self fulfilling prophecy much? You clearly don't understand how the scientific method works, or how competitive the science field is.

    Part of proper science is questioning everything that you find and that's presented to you, and accepting when one of your theories is proven to be incorrect.


    +1

    Science invites examination. False belief systems punish it. It's called religious oppression.

    The World is not flat. Rainbows are not acts of a magic friend in the sky. Rainbows are simply the refract of light by water. Period. No magic friend.
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    May 20, 2016 5:21 PM GMT
    Well I think the opinion laid by the second poster could have been answered in ways a bit less toxic

    And while I wholeheartedly agree on the many risks of false belief systems, I'd note that comment did not push religion or anger just made clear some genuine ignorance which deserves to be addressed Reasonably.