Christian bashing?

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  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jan 30, 2009 8:35 PM GMT
    There is a lot of Christian bashing even on RJ. But it seams that bashing for the guy in the video is beating some one.

    Bashing can be just hostile comments.

    The guy in the video seems to think gays are the only ones with a right to use the word. I think he even implies it.

    Some people just like making videos I guess.
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    Jan 30, 2009 10:38 PM GMT
    MikePhilPerez saidThere is a lot of Christian bashing even on RJ. But it seams that bashing for the guy in the video is beating some one.

    Bashing can be just hostile comments.

    The guy in the video seems to think gays are the only ones with a right to use the word. I think he even implies it.

    Some people just like making videos I guess.


    I don't see where you get: 'The guy in the video seems to think gays are the only ones with a right to use the word'
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:22 PM GMT
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    MikePhilPerez saidThere is a lot of Christian bashing even on RJ. But it seams that bashing for the guy in the video is beating some one.

    Bashing can be just hostile comments.
    I don't see where you get: 'The guy in the video seems to think gays are the only ones with a right to use the word'
    "those words have power and that power belongs to US, don't let them (Christians) take it away". I would say that is what Mike is referring to. Yes, the bashing that gays endured is unfathomable but Mike's point is well taken, one person's bashing might differ from another (bashing vs beating). I'm sure there are Christian bashing (beatings) that could also be listed. I think the severity of the two examples is apples and oranges. No one disputes, even Christians - right wing or not - that the beatings, etc were wrong in every fashion but even with his disclaimer about not all Christians being like this, his monologue set the tone of "all Christians"...that is sad. It's a lose lose for tolerance on both sides.

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    Jan 30, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    Are we talking about this? If so, there is already a discussion going on here:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/408508/

    Edit: The video didn't load the first time. I see the OP did, in fact, post it.
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:37 PM GMT
    they stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:42 PM GMT
    Uhhhh yeah I'm with MikePerezPhilips on this one. Words don't belong to anybody and the dude in the video is crazy. Christians most certainly payed with blood for the right to worship and practice their religion. Muslim extremists pay with their blood in the name of Islam but it doesn't make it right for them to commit suicide attacks. Just because gays were killed for being gay or being suspected gays doesn't mean only they can use the word "bashing."

    I don't support Prop 8 and I don't promote hate against gays. However I can't believe that everybody gay the guy in the video mentioned was an angel. No they didn't deserve to be hurt or killed but his video depicts the Christians as purely evil. Sorry but there are always 2 or more sides to the story.
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:44 PM GMT
    czarodziej saidthey stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p
    Nice....and the tradition was to beat gays too...good thing we don't hold on to all traditions.
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:46 PM GMT
    That video is FACTUAL and is itself NOT bashing christians, but rather showing certain very outspoken, organized christian fundies are claiming we are "bashing " them in an attempt to convince people that they, the christians are being unfairly targeted.


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    czarodziej saidthey stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p

    Who's tradition was that? Is it a gay value to pull shit out of your ass or you just hoping this catches on?
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:48 PM GMT
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    czarodziej saidthey stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p

    Who's tradition was that? Is it a gay value to pull shit out of your ass or you just hoping this catches on?


    The Romans pre-Constantine.
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:49 PM GMT
    czarodziej saidthey stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p


    I think it's a joke, boys...
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    MikePhilPerez saidThere is a lot of Christian bashing even on RJ. But it seams that bashing for the guy in the video is beating some one.

    Bashing can be just hostile comments.


    I think it's really important to distinguish between disagreements, no matter how strong, and violence. It's totally inappropriate to conflate the two.

    For example, you obviously know that I disagree with you, Mike, and I believe that you are incorrect to believe the things you believe. But I fully support your right to believe them and I fully respect your rights as a person.

    Some of the criticism of Christianity on RJ has been misguided, incorrect and misdirected, but I do not think it is appropriate to call it "bashing".
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    TallGWMvballer saidThat video is FACTUAL and is itself NOT bashing christians, but rather showing certain very outspoken, organized christian fundies are claiming we are "bashing " them in an attempt to convince people that they, the christians are being unfairly targeted.

    Eh I'll agree that the statements may be "factual" however are they complete? I find it hard to believe that all those stories could be summed up so rapidly without loss.
    I guess I wouldn't really consider the video to be bashing CADL but the video clearly has an agenda and it is not tolerance. It's just an "oh yeah what about this" kinda video. CADL has every right to do what they did. Essentially it sounds like he's challenging CADL's freedom of speech while exercising his own.
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:54 PM GMT
    First off, the men who brutalize these people for being gay, aren't of god, and don't know anything about god (even if they claim they do), and its something god would condemn. So if you think the Christ/Christian spirit is all well and good with harming/killing innocent people, then your views on the faith are as distorted as the men who use it/twist it, to justify the evil they do to others, and no doubt will they have to answer to god.

    Second yes there is Christian bashing, which doesn't necessarily, mean Christians being beaten up and killed, at least not over here, though that does happen in other parts of the world. When I was serving in Iraq, I was helping put together a shelter for these orphans, who's parents, sisters, brothers, cousins ect, were killed, or brutalized for being Christian. In some other countries like North Korea, and Russia, who are very secular and cold, its difficult for people to keep their faith without being mocked, or in some cases attacked, or killed.

    Over here in America, and other freer countries its done in a different way, where people can mock, and disrespect those of the Christian faith, you mock, or disrespect any one else's faith, or way of life in today's society, and you're intolerant/bad, and this and that, but if you're Christian and you're mocked/disrespected, then its ok, everyone laughs.

    It doesn't surprise me at all, though because the bible does talk about how in the last days, more people will turn away from religion, and there will be a time where Christians in the more freer countries will start to experience the hardships of Christians in the not so free countries. It all starts with wanting to push religion out of here or there, or how its ok to mock, and disrespect people who are Christians.

    True Christians, who know, and love god, know its only god who knows another man's heart, and only god can judge another man's soul, and that god is all about love and forgiveness. The only people god rejects are those who strongly reject him, and wish, or do harm on those who have love for him.

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    Jan 30, 2009 11:54 PM GMT
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    czarodziej saidthey stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p

    Who's tradition was that? Is it a gay value to pull shit out of your ass or you just hoping this catches on?

    The Romans pre-Constantine.

    Well I guess those traditions died with the people of that era.
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:55 PM GMT
    **Sigh***

    That's the problem with modern 21st century society




    So many, many fundamentalist Christians......So few lions icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 30, 2009 11:56 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    The Romans pre-Constantine.
    I'd sure like to think that we've moved past that! Sort of like I'd like to think we can get all people past the notion that all gays aren't wearing heels, head dresses, marching and dancing in the gay pride parade... I think it's called stereotyping.
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    Jan 31, 2009 12:00 AM GMT
    AMT87 said**Sigh***

    That's the problem with modern 21st century society
    So many, many fundamentalist Christians......So few lions icon_confused.gif

    Your joke does nothing to spread tolerance and only perpetuates negative gay stereotypes.
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    Jan 31, 2009 12:04 AM GMT
    Bakejenson said
    AMT87 said**Sigh***

    That's the problem with modern 21st century society
    So many, many fundamentalist Christians......So few lions icon_confused.gif

    Your joke does nothing to spread tolerance and only perpetuates negative gay stereotypes.


    And you are stereotyping lions, many of whom are very good friends of mine.
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    AMT87 said**Sigh***

    That's the problem with modern 21st century society
    So many, many fundamentalist Christians......So few lions icon_confused.gif

    Your joke does nothing to spread tolerance and only perpetuates negative gay stereotypes.
    Exactly...and I don't think these guys who hate or "bash" Christians have any concept of how hard it is to try and defend both our faith and being gay. Of anyone that they should try and listen to it is those of us out there trying to educate both sides in understanding each other....it's very frustrating.
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    Jan 31, 2009 12:10 AM GMT
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    czarodziej saidthey stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p

    Who's tradition was that? Is it a gay value to pull shit out of your ass or you just hoping this catches on?

    The Romans pre-Constantine.

    Well I guess those traditions died with the people of that era.


    Of course you are right. But they didn't, did they? Because Evangelicals believe that the Bible (from that era) is the literal word of God and they believe it tells them to hate gay people.

    I really wish that they would agree with you about letting these things go.
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    Jan 31, 2009 12:15 AM GMT
    This lion thing reminds me of the time Roy Horn got his face ripped off by a white tiger. I know it's not funny but I still laugh at 30k flamboyant performances lol. Flamboyant, it's what flaming used to be lol.

    (CBS) It took more than 30 years, and 30,000 flamboyant performances, but what finally happened during the 'Strip's' most famous show may have been inevitable.

    Roy Horn, of 'Siegfried and Roy,' was rushed to the hospital after being mauled in front of a sold out crowd by his 550-pound white tiger.

    "He looked like a rag doll in his mouth. I mean, that thing just had him by the kind of shoulder and the face and just dragged him off stage," Kurt Baser, a witness, told CBS News Correspondent Lee Cowan.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/06/eveningnews/main576814.shtml
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    Jan 31, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
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    czarodziej saidthey stand for 'traditional values,' right? didn't it used to be a tradition to feed christians to lions? what ever happened to that? :p

    Who's tradition was that? Is it a gay value to pull shit out of your ass or you just hoping this catches on?

    The Romans pre-Constantine.

    Well I guess those traditions died with the people of that era.


    Of course you are right. But they didn't, did they? Because Evangelicals believe that the Bible (from that era) is the literal word of God and they believe it tells them to hate gay people.

    I really wish that thesy would agree with you about letting these things go.
    They don't believe it tells them to hate gay people, they believe that being gay is wrong and you're preaching to the choir here.... we don't like what they say, think and do any more than you do.