Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum sign NOM Defense of Marriage pledge

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    Aug 27, 2015 6:59 AM GMT

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    Four GOP Pres. Candidates Sign Defense of Marriage Pledge
    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/republican-presidential-candidates-defense/2015/08/26/id/672087/

    The National Organization for Marriage, in a news release, said retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum all agreed to work toward passage of a marriage amendment, as well as press for the overturn of the U.S. Supreme Court decision making same-sex marriages legal throughout the country.

    "While many of the GOP candidates talk the talk about supporting marriage, these four candidates have distinguished themselves as true champions, having pledged to the American people to take very specific actions to advance the cause of marriage," said the group's president, Brian Brown.



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    Aug 27, 2015 11:12 AM GMT
    How pathetic. These guys really need to get over it.

    I'll be curious to see what Trump does. My guess is he'll stay away from this.
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    Aug 27, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
    Maybe they will "evolve" once they get into office but don't think they can get elected by their base without signing it? I'm convinced that we'll never see what's truly in an elected official's heart until they're in office AND in their last term.
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    Aug 27, 2015 1:28 PM GMT
    I am surprised that both Mike Huckabee and Rick Perry didn't sign this NOM pledge as of yet.icon_idea.gif
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    Aug 27, 2015 1:55 PM GMT
    donj499 saidHow pathetic. These guys really need to get over it.

    I'll be curious to see what Trump does. My guess is he'll stay away from this.


    Trump was just asked about this yesterday in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter. Here are excerpts:

    3. Trump attended a gay wedding. It was the wedding of Broadway theater owner Jordan Roth. ("You know Jordan, right?" he asks Min. "Great guy.")

    4. Trump also suggested gay marriage is a dead issue for Republicans. "Some people have hopes of passing amendments, but it's not going to happen," he said. "Congress can't pass simple things, let alone that. So anybody that's making that an issue is doing it for political reasons. The Supreme Court ruled on it."


    Those candidates who signed the pledge are going no where anyway, so who cares. Trump is far too smart and media savvy to go anywhere near this issue in a negative way.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidTrump is far too smart and media savvy to go anywhere near this issue in a negative way.

    If Trump's campaign is proving anything, it's that he's NOT "smart and media savvy". He's merely cornered a bigoted part of the Republican base, that was already there waiting for a demagogue like Trump to come along.

    BTW, this NOM pledge thing is a replay of the 2012 Presidential election. It didn't do Romney or the others much good, so in this Trump may be wise to keep his distance.
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    Aug 27, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    Lemmings.
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    donj499 saidHow pathetic. These guys really need to get over it.

    I'll be curious to see what Trump does. My guess is he'll stay away from this.


    Trump was just asked about this yesterday in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter. Here are excerpts:

    3. Trump attended a gay wedding. It was the wedding of Broadway theater owner Jordan Roth. ("You know Jordan, right?" he asks Min. "Great guy.")

    4. Trump also suggested gay marriage is a dead issue for Republicans. "Some people have hopes of passing amendments, but it's not going to happen," he said. "Congress can't pass simple things, let alone that. So anybody that's making that an issue is doing it for political reasons. The Supreme Court ruled on it."


    Those candidates who signed the pledge are going no where anyway, so who cares. Trump is far too smart and media savvy to go anywhere near this issue in a negative way.


    Exactly. He's brilliant. And being a New Yorker he's more tolerant on the gay issue than most of the other republican contenders.

  • Sincityfan

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    Aug 27, 2015 9:26 PM GMT
    Fight is over. They're just trying to get the Bigots' support.
    A democrat's response would be, "I believe in the tradition of marriage and that it is between...but I respect the supreme court's decision."
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    Aug 27, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
    donj499 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    donj499 saidHow pathetic. These guys really need to get over it.

    I'll be curious to see what Trump does. My guess is he'll stay away from this.


    Trump was just asked about this yesterday in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter. Here are excerpts:

    3. Trump attended a gay wedding. It was the wedding of Broadway theater owner Jordan Roth. ("You know Jordan, right?" he asks Min. "Great guy.")

    4. Trump also suggested gay marriage is a dead issue for Republicans. "Some people have hopes of passing amendments, but it's not going to happen," he said. "Congress can't pass simple things, let alone that. So anybody that's making that an issue is doing it for political reasons. The Supreme Court ruled on it."


    Those candidates who signed the pledge are going no where anyway, so who cares. Trump is far too smart and media savvy to go anywhere near this issue in a negative way.


    Exactly. He's brilliant. And being a New Yorker he's more tolerant on the gay issue than most of the other republican contenders.



    Brilliant!?
    Is that his hair color?
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    timmm55 said
    donj499 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    donj499 saidHow pathetic. These guys really need to get over it.

    I'll be curious to see what Trump does. My guess is he'll stay away from this.


    Trump was just asked about this yesterday in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter. Here are excerpts:

    3. Trump attended a gay wedding. It was the wedding of Broadway theater owner Jordan Roth. ("You know Jordan, right?" he asks Min. "Great guy.")

    4. Trump also suggested gay marriage is a dead issue for Republicans. "Some people have hopes of passing amendments, but it's not going to happen," he said. "Congress can't pass simple things, let alone that. So anybody that's making that an issue is doing it for political reasons. The Supreme Court ruled on it."


    Those candidates who signed the pledge are going no where anyway, so who cares. Trump is far too smart and media savvy to go anywhere near this issue in a negative way.


    Exactly. He's brilliant. And being a New Yorker he's more tolerant on the gay issue than most of the other republican contenders.



    Brilliant!?
    Is that his hair color?


    Hey you guys can deride Trump all you want. The guy is a winner. He's crushing the GOP field. He's killing the republican establishment. He's beating up on the news media. He took on Megyn Kelly and won. He took on Fox News and won. He shut down Anderson Cooper. He threw Ramos out of his press conference then brought him back in and schooled him. He's now running just about even with Hillary when a month ago the main argument against him was that he fared terribly against her in a general election. I'm telling you, the guy could definitely win the nomination and then the White House.
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    Aug 28, 2015 4:59 AM GMT
    Took on Megyn Kelly and won? He came out of that situation looking like an asshole.
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    Aug 28, 2015 2:37 PM GMT
    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidTook on Megyn Kelly and won? He came out of that situation looking like an asshole.


    To people who have internalized a certain set of norms and standards, yes. But many people don't adhere to those standards. And for most of our history we used a different set of metrics to evaluate winners and losers.

    Here is an interesting article about how Trump is tapping into a certain primordial mentality and using it to vanquish opponents like Megyn Kelly:

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/donald-trump-warrior-male-extraordinaire/

    There is a reason she took an 11 day unscheduled vacation after Trump started going after her. Professional "alpha" women like Kelly are not used to having a man really push back at them and once Trump asserted himself, she went into retreat. In the meantime, Trump damaged the star of the Fox News channel and drove a wedge between the network and its audience.
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    Aug 28, 2015 2:47 PM GMT
    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidTook on Megyn Kelly and won? He came out of that situation looking like an asshole.


    Not to the FOX NEWS audience who are becoming increasingly annoyed with Megan Kelly and/or FOX NEWS. Their ratings are dropping, while CNN's are going up.
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    Aug 28, 2015 2:53 PM GMT
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    If Trump's campaign is proving anything, it's that he's NOT "smart and media savvy". He's merely cornered a bigoted part of the Republican base, that was already there waiting for a demagogue like Trump to come along.


    I disagree. I would argue that Trump is, if nothing else, "smart" and very "savvy" when it come to handling the media. I've actually never seen a politician with so command of the media's attention or the willingness to lash out at the media when he feels he's been wronged or they are out of line. Throwing Jorge Ramos out of the press conference was not only justified, but it showed Trump as strong. I also don't think Americans should be called "bigoted" just because they agree with the building of "The Wall", or they think the practice of "Anchor Babies" should be challenged, or that we should take a hard stance on illegal immigrants taking advantage of the American system. This is a huge problem in America, no more prevalent than right here in Arizona. We need a leader willing to make the tough choices if we are going to solve the problem. There is no easy fix, and there are many layers to this problem that, unfortunately, will have repercussions on millions of illegal immigrants.
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    Aug 31, 2015 4:46 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidTook on Megyn Kelly and won? He came out of that situation looking like an asshole.


    Not to the FOX NEWS audience who are becoming increasingly annoyed with Megan Kelly and/or FOX NEWS. Their ratings are dropping, while CNN's are going up.


    WOAH WOOAH WOAH. Her ratings are through the roof, she is like their super star. I am moderate but lean left, and I like her. He came out looking like a narcissistic baby.
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    Aug 31, 2015 9:23 AM GMT
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    I thought NOM ran out of money? icon_rolleyes.gif



    Four GOP Pres. Candidates Sign Defense of Marriage Pledge
    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/republican-presidential-candidates-defense/2015/08/26/id/672087/

    The National Organization for Marriage, in a news release, said retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum all agreed to work toward passage of a marriage amendment, as well as press for the overturn of the U.S. Supreme Court decision making same-sex marriages legal throughout the country.

    "While many of the GOP candidates talk the talk about supporting marriage, these four candidates have distinguished themselves as true champions, having pledged to the American people to take very specific actions to advance the cause of marriage," said the group's president, Brian Brown.

    This is just demonstrates the rapid public opinion change as far as gay marriage. Bush won his re-election based on his stance on gay marriage. One wonders how the public reacted to the mess that followed where the war in Iraq kept going and going even though there were no found weapons of mass destruction followed but the Great Recession. Rick Santorum just needs to go away already. He is not even worth being the brunt of jokes by Fred Savage.

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    Sincityfan saidFight is over. They're just trying to get the Bigots' support.
    A democrat's response would be, "I believe in the tradition of marriage and that it is between...but I respect the supreme court's decision."


    That was exactly John Kasich's response
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    donj499 said
    timmm55 said
    donj499 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    donj499 saidHow pathetic. These guys really need to get over it.

    I'll be curious to see what Trump does. My guess is he'll stay away from this.


    Trump was just asked about this yesterday in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter. Here are excerpts:

    3. Trump attended a gay wedding. It was the wedding of Broadway theater owner Jordan Roth. ("You know Jordan, right?" he asks Min. "Great guy.")

    4. Trump also suggested gay marriage is a dead issue for Republicans. "Some people have hopes of passing amendments, but it's not going to happen," he said. "Congress can't pass simple things, let alone that. So anybody that's making that an issue is doing it for political reasons. The Supreme Court ruled on it."


    Those candidates who signed the pledge are going no where anyway, so who cares. Trump is far too smart and media savvy to go anywhere near this issue in a negative way.


    Exactly. He's brilliant. And being a New Yorker he's more tolerant on the gay issue than most of the other republican contenders.



    Brilliant!?
    Is that his hair color?


    Hey you guys can deride Trump all you want. The guy is a winner. He's crushing the GOP field. He's killing the republican establishment. He's beating up on the news media. He took on Megyn Kelly and won. He took on Fox News and won. He shut down Anderson Cooper. He threw Ramos out of his press conference then brought him back in and schooled him. He's now running just about even with Hillary when a month ago the main argument against him was that he fared terribly against her in a general election. I'm telling you, the guy could definitely win the nomination and then the White House.


    And then what? You really think this guy could govern?