Diamond Meditation

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    Sep 01, 2015 5:55 AM GMT
    Does anyone here know of a good recorded version of the Buddhist Diamond meditation. I am speaking of the meditation that ask you to turn your mind, body and speech into representations of diamond so that you can take on the troubles of the world. I want use it in session for some of my massage clients. While it sounds like a horrible experience it actually instills confidence and compassion in the meditator and this combination along with the parasympathetic affects of breathing meditation is very uplifting.
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    Sep 01, 2015 1:30 PM GMT
    Hey try this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IU-oYMpzQw
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    Sep 02, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
    jimib saidHey try this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IU-oYMpzQw


    um, no.

    That's Thay on the Diamond Sutra. A sutra is sort of scriptural writings.

    Diamond mediation the OP refers to seems a practice within the Diamond Way which if I understand correctly is a Tibetan school of Buddhism developed for westerners in the 1970s.
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    Sep 02, 2015 6:01 AM GMT
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    jimib saidHey try this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IU-oYMpzQw


    um, no.

    That's Thay on the Diamond Sutra. A sutra is sort of scriptural writings.

    Diamond mediation the OP refers to seems a practice within the Diamond Way which if I understand correctly is a Tibetan school of Buddhism developed for westerners in the 1970s.


    Most likely I experienced it at a Kadampa Buddhist Center which is form of Buddhism developed for a western mindset.
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    Sep 02, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
    MrFuscle said
    theantijock said
    jimib saidHey try this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IU-oYMpzQw


    um, no.

    That's Thay on the Diamond Sutra. A sutra is sort of scriptural writings.

    Diamond mediation the OP refers to seems a practice within the Diamond Way which if I understand correctly is a Tibetan school of Buddhism developed for westerners in the 1970s.


    Most likely I experienced it at a Kadampa Buddhist Center which is form of Buddhism developed for a western mindset.


    Just googled quickly; looks like that was introduced to the west in the 1990s. But I don't see offhand Diamond meditation associated with it.

    Could have been you remembering someone miss-teaching something. Could have been your misinterpretation of something taught. Or you could have caught a bit here and a bit there and pieced it together yourself. Or whoever relayed that info to you might have done that. Hell, could have been anything. Tough for me to judge from what you've said here plus that I've not studied the newer schools.

    I'd suggest being a little careful with your mind. Meditation is not a guarantee of so-called enlightenment and can even lead to further distracting the mind with delusion. Though generally for most it's probably better than not, as long as you stay on this side of sanity. Also if you get your info from someone deluded and then apply that as direction in your own mediation, well, it could wind up being like following closely someone headed on their way to being in a traffic accident. Not recommended.

    In your OP you say "...so that you can take on the troubles of the world. I want use it in session for some of my massage clients..." which sounds on its own a mixing of Christianity with Buddhism because that's not really descriptive of Buddhism itself which is generally concerned with an individual coming to realizations on their own.

    In that they might be guided overtly or simply shown examples but you can't do the hard work for them. Buddhism is not about new age magical thinking. Why in Buddhism the human incarnation is considered so very special is because it is from here where we have the tools to improve our lot. We are not stuck in a cycle of animal eating animal but by our own two feet we can step out of that.

    And even as lovely as might be the thought to heal the world, to take on as you say the troubles of the world, even that violates free will--for we all have a choice to heal ourselves of bad thinking, of being attached to jealousies or to being hurtful to others or whatever the fuck turns someone one--so that's bullshit. It is one thing to help someone get where they are going. But you don't lift someone up by removing their feet. It is by our own two feet that we might reach realization.
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    Sep 03, 2015 4:37 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    MrFuscle said
    theantijock said
    jimib saidHey try this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IU-oYMpzQw


    um, no.

    That's Thay on the Diamond Sutra. A sutra is sort of scriptural writings.

    Diamond mediation the OP refers to seems a practice within the Diamond Way which if I understand correctly is a Tibetan school of Buddhism developed for westerners in the 1970s.


    Most likely I experienced it at a Kadampa Buddhist Center which is form of Buddhism developed for a western mindset.


    Just googled quickly; looks like that was introduced to the west in the 1990s. But I don't see offhand Diamond meditation associated with it.

    Could have been you remembering someone miss-teaching something. Could have been your misinterpretation of something taught. Or you could have caught a bit here and a bit there and pieced it together yourself. Or whoever relayed that info to you might have done that. Hell, could have been anything. Tough for me to judge from what you've said here plus that I've not studied the newer schools.

    I'd suggest being a little careful with your mind. Meditation is not a guarantee of so-called enlightenment and can even lead to further distracting the mind with delusion. Though generally for most it's probably better than not, as long as you stay on this side of sanity. Also if you get your info from someone deluded and then apply that as direction in your own mediation, well, it could wind up being like following closely someone headed on their way to being in a traffic accident. Not recommended.

    In your OP you say "...so that you can take on the troubles of the world. I want use it in session for some of my massage clients..." which sounds on its own a mixing of Christianity with Buddhism because that's not really descriptive of Buddhism itself which is generally concerned with an individual coming to realizations on their own.

    In that they might be guided overtly or simply shown examples but you can't do the hard work for them. Buddhism is not about new age magical thinking. Why in Buddhism the human incarnation is considered so very special is because it is from here where we have the tools to improve our lot. We are not stuck in a cycle of animal eating animal but by our own two feet we can step out of that.

    And even as lovely as might be the thought to heal the world, to take on as you say the troubles of the world, even that violates free will--for we all have a choice to heal ourselves of bad thinking, of being attached to jealousies or to being hurtful to others or whatever the fuck turns someone one--so that's bullshit. It is one thing to help someone get where they are going. But you don't lift someone up by removing their feet. It is by our own two feet that we might reach realization.


    The purpose of diamond meditation is to cultivate the desire to become a bodhisattva. Even if it were inspired by Christianity it is not antithetical to Buddhism. Even in that regard Buddhism tends to adapt to the cultures it is introduced into. This is why Buddhist beliefs are so diverse. Just as the Buddha reentered into Samsara for the benefit of all mankind, diamond meditation ask us to imagine our selves with the perfect speech and mind of a Buddha as long as perfect strength so that we may be of benefit to all sentient beings. The purpose is to inspire a great compassion. I am curious if you are a Buddhist as you were quick to dismiss the meditation I was given as well as offer me advice that may not be the best advice for me at this moment in my life, without seeking to understand my teaching and the benefits I clearly stated that it offered to me. Benefits I would like to offer to others as well.
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    Sep 03, 2015 12:07 PM GMT
    y'all need jesus
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    Sep 03, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
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    MrFuscle saidThe purpose of diamond meditation is to cultivate the desire to become a bodhisattva. Even if it were inspired by Christianity it is not antithetical to Buddhism. Even in that regard Buddhism tends to adapt to the cultures it is introduced into. This is why Buddhist beliefs are so diverse. Just as the Buddha reentered into Samsara for the benefit of all mankind, diamond meditation ask us to imagine our selves with the perfect speech and mind of a Buddha as long as perfect strength so that we may be of benefit to all sentient beings. The purpose is to inspire a great compassion. I am curious if you are a Buddhist as you were quick to dismiss the meditation I was given as well as offer me advice that may not be the best advice for me at this moment in my life, without seeking to understand my teaching and the benefits I clearly stated that it offered to me. Benefits I would like to offer to others as well.


    While it's probably better to "cultivate the desire" for having the inclination and capacity for practicing compassion than it might be to "cultivate the desire" for having an inclination and capacity for causing others harm, perhaps meditation might even better serve as a vehicle for realization than as a parking spot for attaching oneself further with desire.

    While there certainly are many branches of Buddhism generally offshoots of either Theravada or Mahayana, and even as some cultural practices might incorporate, say, animism into Buddhism as done in Thailand not unlike how Haitians have combined Vodun with Christianity, there comes a point, does there not, where Christianity is mere decoration, when the voodoo you do no longer adheres to precepts of that other faith.

    All of Buddhism, regardless of which aspect of Buddhism is emphasized by whatever school of Buddhism, adheres to central tenets of their faith or set of thought processes be that deemed religious or philosophical in nature, i.e., the four nobles and the eightfold.

    Within that, isn't a person's karma their own, isn't that sort of defining of karma and isn't that kind of exactly central to those concepts even of reincarnation. And if so, then what is the taking of someone's karma, this notion you've proposed that you might "take on the troubles" to "use...in session for...clients" which sounds more like the practice of Reiki. Is that not what you had in mind or did I misread that in which case feel free to elaborate. And if so, include in that how it is that you specified utilizing a practice for specific purpose and not simply in every day living.

    Even if you didn't mean that you could take on their pain psychically as you might manipulate physically from their body some causes of pain, even if you'd just use those thoughts as vehicle towards compassion, even then, I did not as you say "dismiss (your) meditation" nor did I advise you off your path, rather, all I said was that you might consider "being a little careful with your mind", regardless of what school you adhere to.

    Though stealing away with someone's karma--the Thugavada School of Buddhism?--might be less Buddhist/more Voodoo, there actually is application of a concept of taking on the ills of the world which could--within the structure of those thought processes--help facilitate healing of at least bad karma and which would still adhere to precepts. I wonder what that might be.

    As to your stated curiosity, while I am not an adherent of religion, I am and have been a continuous student of Dzogchen for more than 20 years, a lifelong lucid dreamer, and a practitioner specifically of dream yoga for the past couple of decades or so. It's been a fun ride. Thanks for asking. Peace.
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    Sep 05, 2015 5:21 AM GMT
    Can someone other than this self absorbed wanna be yogi, who i have put on ignore to spare myself his unwanted lectures, respond to this thread.
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    Sep 05, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
    MrFuscle saidCan someone other than this self absorbed wanna be yogi, who i have put on ignore to spare myself his unwanted lectures, respond to this thread.


    I have zero problems with you placing me on ignore. That will not stop me from commenting--I may choose to ignore your ignore--if I by chance see you say something particularly stupid with regard to consciousness. Speaking of which...

    Your dishonest wannabe comment seems not along the eightfold. I never called myself yogi. I merely noted because you questioned my background that I am studied in the atiyoga and that I am highly experienced in dream yoga, a practice which comes naturally to me, which is sort of kind of exactly a major goal of meditation, to maintain consciousness within the bardos.

    You make yourself seem by this a silly man hell-bent on living a life of delusion, which is, of course, your option. Such is the great variety of life. Enjoy it.