Lou Holtz - Two Americas. (If you think the Government should regulate income and wealth, you won't want to read this.)

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    Sep 07, 2015 8:58 PM GMT
    Leo “Lou” Holtz is a retired American football coach, and active sportscaster, author, and motivational speaker.

    The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society and others don’t. That’s the divide in America .

    It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.

    That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.

    The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery.

    The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit.

    It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.

    The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society are a result of different choices leading to different consequences.

    Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure.

    Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education.

    You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.

    My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.

    It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short sighted decisions.

    Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.

    The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”

    Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.

    It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.

    What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

    “Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”
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    My opinion is this observation is separate from the case of those unfortunate who need assistance as a result of circumstances they could not avoid, such as illness or accidents.

    But what is telling and indicates the validity of Holtz's points is the Democrats don't talk so much about helping the poor, they talk about income inequality. I am quite convinced that given the choice of 1) helping the poor and not being concerned about inequality, or 2) reducing inequality even if everyone is worse off, they will choose 2) without a doubt.

    Reasons are their putrid ideology and the need to keep the poor poor to vote for Democrats.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 07, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidLeo “Lou” Holtz is a retired American football coach, and active sportscaster, author, and motivational speaker.

    The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society and others don’t. That’s the divide in America .

    It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.

    That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.

    The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery.

    The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit.

    It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.

    The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society are a result of different choices leading to different consequences.

    Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure.

    Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education.

    You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.

    My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.

    It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short sighted decisions.

    Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.

    The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”

    Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.

    It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.

    What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

    “Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”
    The whole problem is that a large percentage of Americans, myself included did all the right things in life, finish school, go to college, serve in the military, hold down a job, abide by the law but for all those Americans, it has been total disappointment along with low paying, dead end jobs, and persistent poverty. The so called politics of envy were spurred by this horrendous failure known as supply side trickle down economics along with the worst abomination of them all, free trade agreements. Working people, myself included are getting fed up with being nickled and dimed by greedy, ungrateful employers. That is what is causing the great divide in this country not just the unmotivated urban poor and the unmotivated rural mountain poor from places like Appalachia. This man fails to look at the whole picture and is only targeting a part of the overall serious problems. He sounds like a mouthpiece for the right wing supply siders who think that it is very possible and so easy to succeed in this horrendous economic scenario that the U.S. is currently in now when in reality the total opposite is the truth. Some of the things he says are true but most of this is nonsense. He needs to blame the wealthy shysters of Wall Street along with the big banks for the inequality and the so called politics of envy and not the working poor. The situation today is not all caused by personal choice because in many cases, there is no choice, period.
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    Sep 07, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    "It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country."

    Sounds like sore Rumplicans to me.

    The burden of taxes has shifted to the middle class (including your Dentist). Income inequality concerns Wall Street, corporations that keep trillions of untaxed dollars in off shore accounts, elections that are bought on both sides.

    The more we cut taxes for the rich, as Bush and other republicans have done, the more services we loose. There is no trickle down. Everything gets squeezed out, soon it will be the safety nets.
    1% percents owns 90% of this country. It's the worst it's been since the 1920s. We've become a modern version of Robber Barons, many who don't pay taxes themselves or their corporation.

    Yet THEY benefit from the middle class paying their taxes for roads, police, and other infrastructure. THEY are ones getting the free ride, not through innate intelligence or hard word....but by manipulating the tax code.
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    timmm55 said"It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country."

    Sounds like sore Rumplicans to me.

    The burden of taxes has shifted to the middle class (including your Dentist). Income inequality concerns Wall Street, corporations that keep trillions of untaxed dollars in off shore accounts, elections that are bought on both sides.

    The more we cut taxes for the rich, as Bush and other republicans have done, the more services we loose. There is no trickle down. Everything gets squeezed out, soon it will be the safety nets.
    1% percents owns 90% of this country. It's the worst it's been since the 1920s. We've become a modern version of Robber Barons, many who don't pay taxes themselves or their corporation.

    Yet THEY benefit from the middle class paying their taxes for roads, police, and other infrastructure. THEY are ones getting the free ride, not through innate intelligence or hard word....but by manipulating the tax code.



    What the heck is a rumplican?
    Do you have innate intelligence or hard word?


    It was a typo, but I liked it.

    I have some of both: intelligence and hard work. It isn't either/or. And in many cases the rich are neither. Paris Hilton or Trump for example, or any Kardashian....they all word VERY hard at their image however.

  • bobbobbob

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    Sep 07, 2015 11:39 PM GMT
    ^^^^^^
    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (to Socal's OP - not the babblings of menopausal liberaggot)

    But you knew before you posted it that I'd agree with all that.

    Some will say that Holtz is painting a duotone version of the political situation in the US but then, look at the politicians themselves. They have been doing this for decades in their tactics to divide the nation and turn one half against the other to keep themselves powerful and the masses powerless. All Holtz is doing is giving a birds' eye view of the overall socio-political landscape in the US.

    It wasn't until I was 31 that I realized I'd evolved beyond accepting liberal doctrine as gospel. That was when I shed the role of victim and embraced the idea of taking total responsibility for my life, past, present and future. It was up to me to make the best I could and can with what I have to work with and stop perceiving myself as being victimized by those who had done the same.

    From the OPThe simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”

    It's so funny to me that 99% of the people who read or quote that passage only apply it to situations in which people who've been unjust to others end up on the receiving end of karma. They don't think about it in terms of if you sow good seeds you are entitled to harvest the benefits of them. Anyone who's lived a long life knows the truth of those words. It may take years or decades for the harvest to come in but it always does for those who sow bad and those who sow good.

    But in my everyday life and in news I see reasons to believe people are awaking to the hoax that the Democratic party has pulled on them for 50 years. Putting gas in the car this morning a man commented on my two bumper stickers. I reached inside and brought one of each and offered them to him. he proudly called out to the friend he was with who then came for his freebies and then a pair for his wife's car. "Stump for Trump" and "Hillary for Prison." Both were middle aged black men on their way to a funeral, proudly wearing US flag pins on their coat lapels.

    Then this morning I read this.

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/shock-poll-trump-receives-25-of-black-vote-in-general-election-matchup/
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    Sep 07, 2015 11:42 PM GMT
    You, the fool yet again:

    As Bob Lonsberry has confirmed, however, the "Two Americas" essay was not penned by a famous former football coach. It was written and originally published by Lonsberry on his own web site on 9 December 2013.

    Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/louholtz.asp#70Ar4VTh3JHeZMZY.99
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    Sep 07, 2015 11:48 PM GMT
    Here's a good commentary on the bogus piece

    http://myrightwingdad.blogspot.com/2014/07/fwd-lou-holtz-commentary.html


    "This tedious nonsense, apparently falsely attributed to Leo Holt, basically can be boiled down to:

    Never ever tax the mega-wealthy no matter what.

    Now eat your peas & STFU you lousy peasants!

    And the Tea Tardz love it because, ya know, some day they, too, may happen to win the lottery or something, and they, too, do not wish to share their ill-gotten booty! Go figure."
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    Sep 08, 2015 12:05 AM GMT
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    timmm55 said
    43rueperronet said
    timmm55 said"It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country."

    Sounds like sore Rumplicans to me.

    The burden of taxes has shifted to the middle class (including your Dentist). Income inequality concerns Wall Street, corporations that keep trillions of untaxed dollars in off shore accounts, elections that are bought on both sides.

    The more we cut taxes for the rich, as Bush and other republicans have done, the more services we loose. There is no trickle down. Everything gets squeezed out, soon it will be the safety nets.
    1% percents owns 90% of this country. It's the worst it's been since the 1920s. We've become a modern version of Robber Barons, many who don't pay taxes themselves or their corporation.

    Yet THEY benefit from the middle class paying their taxes for roads, police, and other infrastructure. THEY are ones getting the free ride, not through innate intelligence or hard word....but by manipulating the tax code.



    What the heck is a rumplican?
    Do you have innate intelligence or hard word?


    It was a typo, but I liked it.

    I have some of both: intelligence and hard work. It isn't either/or. And in many cases the rich are neither. Paris Hilton or Trump for example, or any Kardashian....they all word VERY hard at their image however.



    So you are sloppy and have some work ethic?
    Why would I want to hire a sloppy person with some intelligence and some work ethic?


    I wouldn't work for you. Get off your high horse. "Sloppy" is only in you inference.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 08, 2015 12:05 AM GMT
    bobbobbob said^^^^^^
    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (to Socal's OP - not the babblings of menopausal liberaggot)

    But you knew before you posted it that I'd agree with all that.

    Some will say that Holtz is painting a duotone version of the political situation in the US but then, look at the politicians themselves. They have been doing this for decades in their tactics to divide the nation and turn one half against the other to keep themselves powerful and the masses powerless. All Holtz is doing is giving a birds' eye view of the overall socio-political landscape in the US.

    It wasn't until I was 31 that I realized I'd evolved beyond accepting liberal doctrine as gospel. That was when I shed the role of victim and embraced the idea of taking total responsibility for my life, past, present and future. It was up to me to make the best I could and can with what I have to work with and stop perceiving myself as being victimized by those who had done the same.

    From the OPThe simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”

    It's so funny to me that 99% of the people who read or quote that passage only apply it to situations in which people who've been unjust to others end up on the receiving end of karma. They don't think about it in terms of if you sow good seeds you are entitled to harvest the benefits of them. Anyone who's lived a long life knows the truth of those words. It may take years or decades for the harvest to come in but it always does for those who sow bad and those who sow good.

    But in my everyday life and in news I see reasons to believe people are awaking to the hoax that the Democratic party has pulled on them for 50 years. Putting gas in the car this morning a man commented on my two bumper stickers. I reached inside and brought one of each and offered them to him. he proudly called out to the friend he was with who then came for his freebies and then a pair for his wife's car. "Stump for Trump" and "Hillary for Prison." Both were middle aged black men on their way to a funeral, proudly wearing US flag pins on their coat lapels.

    Then this morning I read this.

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/shock-poll-trump-receives-25-of-black-vote-in-general-election-matchup/
    Much easier said than done. It is not all that cut and dried. Get rid of the failed supply side trickle down economic policies and abolish all these horrendous free trade agreements and only than will the things Mr. Holtz is talking about will be possible and attainable. Otherwise the U.S. has no viable choice but to become a glorified welfare state which I oppose.
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    "R" U fucking kidding me?
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    roadbikeRob said The whole problem is that a large percentage of Americans, myself included did all the right things in life, finish school, go to college, serve in the military, hold down a job, abide by the law but for all those Americans, it has been total disappointment along with low paying, dead end jobs, and persistent poverty. ...

    I don't think the piece was to suggest all is fine and that 100% of the people are solely responsible for their situation. I mentioned illness and accident, and I think others in your situation might also claim problems with how things are. For example, many have called for some reform of Wall Street.

    But, by and large, the point is the Democrats have focused on income inequality to push a toxic agenda that ultimately does no one any good, except for Democrats to use it to get votes.
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    There are people who pay absolutely no taxes by way of capital gains, which is wrongly not considered income. If a middle income earner is paying more of their income percentage wise than a multi-millionaire it's a sign of inequality.

    I haven't once heard Obama say that he's going to send people to steal rich people's money and put in the hands of unemployed people who refuse to work. That is just not true.
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    roadbikeRob said The whole problem is that a large percentage of Americans, myself included did all the right things in life, finish school, go to college, serve in the military, hold down a job, abide by the law but for all those Americans, it has been total disappointment along with low paying, dead end jobs, and persistent poverty. ...

    I don't think the piece was to suggest all is fine and that 100% of the people are solely responsible for their situation. I mentioned illness and accident, and I think others in your situation might also claim problems with how things are. For example, many have called for some reform of Wall Street.

    But, by and large, the point is the Democrats have focused in income inequality to push a toxic agenda that ultimately does no one any good, except for Democrats to use it to get votes.


    And Republicans have fostered a low or no taxes agenda for the rich that has decimated our infrastructure. They want to cut every lifeline out there to benefit their sponsors so the 1% can own 99%....including them.

    That's the problem with greed, it eats up everyone in it's path. That's for both political parties. We desperately need campaign reform.

    A billionaire doesn't care about the money, it's about acquisitions. Amass and amass. It's part of a game. You'd think they would want to contribute to the streets they drive on, or the water they receive. Or maybe Medicare to their relatives. Or the homeless 10 blocks away. No, that is a "rich privilege".
  • bobbobbob

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    Sep 08, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    Rob, Rob, Rob... where to begin.... Please read and not get mad. This is from my heart, with compassion but it's going to hurt a bit.

    roadbikeRob said The whole problem is that a large percentage of Americans, myself included did all the right things in life, finish school, go to college, serve in the military, hold down a job, abide by the law but for all those Americans, it has been total disappointment along with low paying, dead end jobs, and persistent poverty.

    So, let me see if I have this right; if you do the 'right things' - finish school, go to college, serve in the military, hold down a job, abide the law and still do not not achieve your expectations the world is is responsible? THAT's pure unadulterated victim mentality! THAT's what we're talking about...
    (it gets better. please read on.)


    roadbikeRob saidThe so called politics of envy were spurred by this horrendous failure known as supply side trickle down economics along with the worst abomination of them all, free trade agreements.

    Do you know where the description "supply side trickle down economics" originated?
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2013/12/06/trickle-down-economics-the-most-destructive-phrase-of-all-time/
    Think for a moment. Try to describe a known economy in which wealth trickles up or laterally or any direction but down. None such exists. It's a catchy phrase seized on by Democrats who have never offered any alternative other than "trickle down socialism" and "trickle down through the government wealth redistribution." How's that been working for ya so far?
     In the late 1890s when progressivism began in the US a economist came up with a perfect analogy to describe the differences between capitalism and progressive socialism. Imagine two horses with oat bags. (a means of feeding them while harnessed to wagons)
    This horse represents socialist economy.

    SANY0085.JPG
    This horse represents a laissez faire economy.
    SANY0085.JPG
    Both horses must shake the bag to get at the oats. In both cases they spill oats and if you've seen a horse with an oat bag you'll know savvy birds congregate to pick up oats as fast as they're spilled. You and I and everyone else are birds in this analogy. The only difference is that in the first situation the birds have no hope of ever becoming a horse and in the other one horses routinely end up as birds and birds turn into horses. No magic involved. Only hard work and determination.
     Under socialism it's in the best interest of the government to stabilize and control the economy: Keep the horses (the rich) from loosing their oatbags (wealth) and becoming birds. It's also in their best interests to make sure the birds get enough to live on and beyond that, who gives a fuck. We're just stupid birds, right? ALL THE GREAT FAMILY FORTUNES in the USA today are what they are because they've been protected by legislation supposedly passed to break up their fortunes... (tax loopholes- protections on trust funds - etc)
     Under laissez faire economies birds transform into horses almost overnight, or within half a lifetime and horses lose their oatbags the same way. The government doesn't protect the rich from becoming poor or keep the poor from becoming rich. In fact the more competition and incentives for the birds to become horses the better. The more the wealth changes hands the more it gets spread around without government being involved.


    roadbikeRob said Working people, myself included are getting fed up with being nickled and dimed by greedy, ungrateful employers.

    Ummm. Sorry to break you the news but it's really not up to an employer to fulfill the life expectations of every employee. If you've been dissatisfied with your long range prospects in your job market is it your employer's fault you've stayed in it?
    I bet I understand your "fed up" feeling better that think. I was fired from a damned good job running a multimillion dollar plant tissue culture lab at age 28 because I was gay. That was late 1977. From there the only job I could find was driving 3rd shift in a cab hauling drunk whores, drunk tourists and drunk drunks around Miami. My partner at that time had gone from doing television news and afternoon rush hour top 40 radio to being a doorman and bouncer at a beach bar thanks to Anita Bryant. We were more angry and fed up than you are now. The only difference is summarized in the last line of the OP.
    OPLife is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”
    Steve and I were pissed to the cores of our souls, in perpetual states of anger. We didn't wallow in it and blame others. We learned, planned and plotted to break out of the situation others had put us in and vowed never to get in the same situations ever again. We survived on sheer determination to rise above it all. We succeeded. In 1993 when the employer who fired me closed its doors and filed bankruptcy they called me to see if I wanted to buy any of their assets... What do you think I told them? And the funny thing is that in 1978 when I started my own business I did it with $700 in an abandoned gas station. Determination to succeed made all the difference in the world... and in 14 years I'd gone from being "a bird" to the horse with the oatbag.

    roadbikeRob saidThe situation today is not all caused by personal choice because in many cases, there is no choice, period.

    Bullshit. Keep saying that and you'll always be a victim in your own mind. “Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”

    roadbikeRobGet rid of the failed supply side trickle down economic policies and abolish all these horrendous free trade agreements and only than will the things Mr. Holtz is talking about will be possible and attainable. Otherwise the U.S. has no viable choice but to become a glorified welfare state which I oppose.

    Yeah. Now you're repeating the mantra of a victim. You forgot to mention that it has nothing to do with how you respond to the the shitty things, the setbacks, the disappointments and the tough times in your life.

    As long as you keep telling yourself that, then that is what you will expect out of life. Don't try to make it someone else's fault that you believe what you've chosen to convince yourself to believe. Playing the role of a victim takes no skill, ambition or effort at all.

    You did say something I completely agree with.....
    roadbikeRobMuch easier said than done.

    YES, yes, it has been, but it's been worth it every step of the way. I can tell you how to do it. I can draw it out in step by step instructions. But I can't make you believe it or take that step out of thinkin
  • bobbobbob

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    Sep 08, 2015 3:04 AM GMT


    (Finishing the comment above)
    YES, yes, it has been easier said that done. But it's been worth it every step of the way. I can tell you how to do it. I can draw it out in step by step instructions. But I can't make you believe it or take that step out of thinking.

    This comment is something that just happened to you... that 10% thingie from the OP. How you respond to it is the 90% thingie from the OP. If you want to continue to wallow in victim mentality, that is your free choice. If you want to console yourself with words like 'easier said than done' that's your choice. If you want to continue what you've been doing that hasn't met your own expectations, that's your choice.

    If you want to step out of victim mentality, that too is your choice, but don't expect me or anyone to even do half the 90% of the work for you to achieve your own expectations.

    Love ya guy... wake up and breathe the air of success and go for it.