Church's Rainbow Bench, Built As LGBT Outreach, Torched In The Night

  • metta

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    Sep 08, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
    Church's Rainbow Bench, Built As LGBT Outreach, Torched In The Night


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    Sep 08, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    Bigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.
  • tazzari

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    Sep 08, 2015 9:49 PM GMT
    I guess that shows what brave, honest Americans they are, when they have the courage to torch a bench in the middle of the night.
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    Sep 08, 2015 11:46 PM GMT
    If they roasted marshmallows and made smores, then maybe it was all worth it. I'm a "glass half full" kind of guy.
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    Sep 08, 2015 11:49 PM GMT
    Black is the new rainbow.
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    Sep 09, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
    I think this picture says it all:

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    Sep 09, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.


    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...
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    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.


    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...


    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 09, 2015 12:49 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.

    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...

    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif

    +1

    I was thinking the same thing. And why is "gays" in parens? And the meaning of the snarky-sounding remark that gays have well-paid employment?

    As for job removal, it's perfectly legal in various States that gays have no legal recourse if fired because of their orientation. Their pink slip can actually state sexual orientation as the reason for dismissal, and they have no legal remedy.
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    Sep 09, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.


    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...


    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif


    YES.

    Am about the PRACTICALITIES of living my life. All of the cross and church burnings merely remind me of what I already know of racial relations in the US. In the meantime, MY life goes on and I need to concentrate on moving forward.

    At least you have not had to deal with LYNCHINGS. This STILL happens to blacks...but never to "gay" white men...so you need to be circumspect.
  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Sep 09, 2015 5:48 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.

    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...

    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif

    +1

    I was thinking the same thing. And why is "gays" in parens? And the meaning of the snarky-sounding remark that gays have well-paid employment?



    As for job removal, it's perfectly legal in various States that gays have no legal recourse if fired because of their orientation. Their pink slip can actually state sexual orientation as the reason for dismissal, and they have no legal remedy.


    Because "gay" is a human-created social term...there is actually no such thing as a "gay" or "straight" person.

    In ALL males regardless of what gender they find attractive, semen is alive and capable of merging with female eggs, resulting in a human baby. The same with ALL women, so-called lesbian or not--the uterus works and a body can develop and be carried to term in it.

    If Nature recognized a true state of homosexuality, it would reflect in the body conditions. Non-living seed...non-functional uterus. Nature has demonstrated a constant penchant for ruthless practicality.

    With "At Will", it is perfectly legal without having to spell out anything. In my opinion, what has protected "gay" men in the US is that "being gay" is invisible and the vast majority are white. Most had been contented with quietly "living in the closet"--and living well.

    But NOW, "gay" men are being outspoken and militant. They are using the clout their money gives to gain government successes.

    This rankles MANY. I am thinking there will be a backlash and being a white man may no longer provide insulation.
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    Sep 09, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
    Why did they use torches? I think a spot-light would have worked just fine. Who would be unable to see such a colourful structure in the dark anyway?
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    Sep 09, 2015 11:24 PM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.


    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...


    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif


    YES.

    Am about the PRACTICALITIES of living my life. All of the cross and church burnings merely remind me of what I already know of racial relations in the US. In the meantime, MY life goes on and I need to concentrate on moving forward.

    At least you have not had to deal with LYNCHINGS. This STILL happens to blacks...but never to "gay" white men...so you need to be circumspect.


    Are you denying gay men haven't been lynched/killed just for being gay?! Ever?! You are ridiculous. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 10, 2015 1:18 AM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.


    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...


    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif


    YES.

    Am about the PRACTICALITIES of living my life. All of the cross and church burnings merely remind me of what I already know of racial relations in the US. In the meantime, MY life goes on and I need to concentrate on moving forward.

    At least you have not had to deal with LYNCHINGS. This STILL happens to blacks...but never to "gay" white men...so you need to be circumspect.


    Plenty of gays have been beaten or killed due to their sexuality, especially transgendered. This is a petty argument. It's like saying "my cancer affects me more than your cancer affects you..." its both cancer. Both blacks and gays experience pain and discrimination. And it's all terrible. It's ok to find common ground sometimes.
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    Sep 10, 2015 2:56 AM GMT


    Plenty of gays have been beaten or killed due to their sexuality, especially transgendered. This is a petty argument. It's like saying "my cancer affects me more than your cancer affects you..." its both cancer. Both blacks and gays experience pain and discrimination. And it's all terrible. It's ok to find common ground sometimes.


    +10
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    Sep 10, 2015 10:22 PM GMT
    woodfordr said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.


    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...


    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif


    YES.

    Am about the PRACTICALITIES of living my life. All of the cross and church burnings merely remind me of what I already know of racial relations in the US. In the meantime, MY life goes on and I need to concentrate on moving forward.

    At least you have not had to deal with LYNCHINGS. This STILL happens to blacks...but never to "gay" white men...so you need to be circumspect.


    Plenty of gays have been beaten or killed due to their sexuality, especially transgendered. This is a petty argument. It's like saying "my cancer affects me more than your cancer affects you..." its both cancer. Both blacks and gays experience pain and discrimination. And it's all terrible. It's ok to find common ground sometimes.


    If you were just 10 years older, your perspective on the racial dilemma versus the "gay" dilemma would be MUCH different.

    You and I share in the "gay" dilemma...what befalls (or can befall) any of these men can happen to us because ALL of us are attracted to other men. So, the burning of that rainbow bench is equally directed at you and I as it is to these white "gays".

    But until I read about it here, I had no idea that the bench was burned. And even so, my life is entirely unaffected by it.

    But the "black" dilemma is not the same. The source of active, life-diminishing racism in the United States rises from white men. Despite the social scheme APPEARING to be all about equality right now, it really is not. White men still rule, still dictate policy. There is no separate social reality for non-white Americans. The conditions now are the same as they have always been. Obama is president and black and ethnic Latinos still earn 70% of whites for the same work--policy by white men. Non-whites will be the last chosen for high-paying progressive positions and the first to be let go, compared to whites. It has ALWAYS been this way and there is no reason for it, in the best interests of whites, to change.

    Sitting there taking a Pollyanna/Uncle Tom view as if all struggles are the same was never the answer in the past and is certainly NOT the answer now.

    I wager that virtually all of these white "gay" men have lived easygoing, socially untroubled lives. If they hear about some "gay" tragedy, they may speak of it but I bet none of them have personally faced those tragedies.

    It can be heard in their dialog, in how callously they speak to each other. There is rarely any empathy in here. It is ALL about bodies, appearances and a presumption that they are at the top of the pile.

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    Sep 10, 2015 10:26 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidBigotry and hatred are as old as humankind. Be prepared for more and worse as gays are afforded the civil/human rights that should have been theirs all along.


    THIS demonstration is meaningless because no one is directly diminished by it.

    Now if there developed a grand conspiracy to remove "gays" from their well-paid employment and leave them no recourse, then...


    Perhaps as meaningless as a cross burning? icon_rolleyes.gif


    YES.

    Am about the PRACTICALITIES of living my life. All of the cross and church burnings merely remind me of what I already know of racial relations in the US. In the meantime, MY life goes on and I need to concentrate on moving forward.

    At least you have not had to deal with LYNCHINGS. This STILL happens to blacks...but never to "gay" white men...so you need to be circumspect.


    Are you denying gay men haven't been lynched/killed just for being gay?! Ever?! You are ridiculous. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I cannot deny that. But I maintain that "gay" cannot be seen and so it has always been available for a white "gay" man to live his life unhindered. UNLIKE being black, where EVERY WEEK in the south, for centuries, they were actively publicly lynched. Just because...

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    Sep 13, 2015 6:27 AM GMT
    Are you insinuating they were lynched solely because of their skin color? If that was the case there would be no blacks left in the South. They would have all been lynched shortly after the Civil War. There are recorded cases of people of other races lynched in the US. People are lynched because of some egregious infraction (real or perceived) against some societal rule (written or unwritten). I'm not defending lynching or mob rule whatsoever, but people are not lynched solely because of the color of their skin; albeit, it was easily justified in the minds of racist whites to do so if the person happened to be black just as it is all right in some sick minds to kill transgendered or gay people solely because they are perceived as less than AND they violate (in the killer's eyes) some "norm."

    While some gay men can pass for straight not all can and it's not so easy for a transgendered to always pass. Most do not have the deep pockets of Caitlyn Jenner to afford the plastic surgeries to pull it off successfully.

    But I get it. Somehow in your eyes mentioning the struggles and injustices suffered by any other minority somehow diminishes the injustices done to blacks. I don't see it that way.
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    Sep 14, 2015 11:33 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidAre you insinuating they were lynched solely because of their skin color? If that was the case there would be no blacks left in the South. They would have all been lynched shortly after the Civil War. There are recorded cases of people of other races lynched in the US. People are lynched because of some egregious infraction (real or perceived) against some societal rule (written or unwritten). I'm not defending lynching or mob rule whatsoever, but people are not lynched solely because of the color of their skin; albeit, it was easily justified in the minds of racist whites to do so if the person happened to be black just as it is all right in some sick minds to kill transgendered or gay people solely because they are perceived as less than AND they violate (in the killer's eyes) some "norm."

    While some gay men can pass for straight not all can and it's not so easy for a transgendered to always pass. Most do not have the deep pockets of Caitlyn Jenner to afford the plastic surgeries to pull it off successfully.

    But I get it. Somehow in your eyes mentioning the struggles and injustices suffered by any other minority somehow diminishes the injustices done to blacks. I don't see it that way.


    Blacks were lynched because socially we had no recourse...because from the earliest times in America to the present, blacks and whites have been socially intertwined, with whites dictating and wholly controlling the quality of our existence. Whites could (and can) do whatever they want with total impunity. Even now, with so-called integrated equality, blacks earn less than whites...cannot be hired as easily as whites.

    This was NEVER the situation with "gays". Anyone can discern the differences (in here) just from your verbal tone, what you choose to say. The heavy majority of "gays" are white men--and are comparatively MUCH more used to having, to being indulged, to expecting to get the very best than non-whites. SIMPLY BECAUSE of skin-color/appearance.

    Skin color and appearance IS a major reason for bigotry. The whole matter of "Separate but Equal"/Jim Crow became national law based on it. White men weren't creating separate public bathrooms and water fountains for "gays". "Gay" white men did not spend centuries having their mindset and psychical behavior shaped by being required to enter through the back door. "Gay" white men enjoyed all of the privileges to be had in the country, schooling, could work anywhere, could start their own ventures with no restrictions.

    ALL without worry about punishment---UNLESS they wanted to seek out casual sex in back alleys and public parks.

    You mention the trials of being transgender. Transgenders cover ALL racial groups, but I wager someone white will have a comparatively less difficult time than any other.

    Christine Jorgensen was able to complete her transformation in the 1950s/60s and actually experienced some positive acclaim. Compared to her, the more current Caster Semenya has lived in hell. Since winning a world championship at 18, she has been required by sports "authorities" to go through all kinds of gender regulating therapy and held out of competition simply because they CAN DO THIS.
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    Sep 14, 2015 11:54 PM GMT
    gymnerd said


    Plenty of gays have been beaten or killed due to their sexuality, especially transgendered. This is a petty argument. It's like saying "my cancer affects me more than your cancer affects you..." its both cancer. Both blacks and gays experience pain and discrimination. And it's all terrible. It's ok to find common ground sometimes.


    +10


    ONLY a white man would agree, especially reading as a "proof" from a young black man.

    "It's like saying "my cancer affects me more than your cancer affects you..." its both cancer."

    In one case, there will be the BEST services and research available because this is the group with the the BEST social resources--by default.

    In the other case, the cancer will just have to be endured.

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    FitBlackCuddler said
    gymnerd said


    Plenty of gays have been beaten or killed due to their sexuality, especially transgendered. This is a petty argument. It's like saying "my cancer affects me more than your cancer affects you..." its both cancer. Both blacks and gays experience pain and discrimination. And it's all terrible. It's ok to find common ground sometimes.


    +10


    ONLY a white man would agree, especially reading as a "proof" from a young black man.

    "It's like saying "my cancer affects me more than your cancer affects you..." its both cancer."

    In one case, there will be the BEST services and research available because this is the group with the the BEST social resources--by default.

    In the other case, the cancer will just have to be endured.



    The black man and the white man working for the same company and covered by the same insurance will have access to the same healthcare unless one chooses a less successful oncologist which is completely independent of skin color.