Pedophile Rights? Austin City Council Member Likens Pedophilia To Homosexuality In Wake Of Legalized Gay Marriage

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    Sep 09, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    http://www.inquisitr.com/2209566/pedophile-rights-austin-texas-city-council-member-likens-pedophilia-to-homosexuality-in-wake-of-legalized-gay-marriage/
    According to the Statesman, a person identified as Austin Council Member Zimmerman was participating in a Facebook conversation touching on the subject of gay marriage when he told another in the conversation to replace “gay” with “pedophile.” Doing so, surmised Zimmerman would lead to the conclusion that “there is no such thing as pedophilia, only (inter-generational) love.”...

    ...After Republicans tried to amend this act by saying “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation,” Democrats shut the amendment down, Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fl) making the case that no American should live in fear because of who they are, including pedophiles....
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    Sep 09, 2015 9:43 PM GMT
    This just proves to any sound minded person that Austin, Texas isn't quite as liberal as it is popularly percieved. Like the rest of predominately red republican Texas, Austin has more than its fair share of flaky fundamentalists and rabid right wingers.
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    Sep 09, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
    What two consenting adults do between themselves is up to them and them only. Both (or more) parties are able to analyzewhat they are doing and to decline.

    Chilred can't do either of these...they have no choice.
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    Sep 09, 2015 10:21 PM GMT
    Adults being the operative word.

    What I find disgusting are the little pissants around here playing into the hands of our anti-gay enemies by mischaracterizing gay men as pedophiles just because of age disparity in a relationship.

    A lot of things creep me out too. Vagina's for instance. But that doesn't mean I judge my hetero brother or attempt to dehumanize him for eating one. Ick fucking ick.
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    Sep 09, 2015 11:00 PM GMT
    Yikes, Democrat Alcee Hastings supporting pedophilia.
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    Sep 10, 2015 1:07 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThis just proves to any sound minded person that Austin, Texas isn't quite as liberal as it is popularly percieved. Like the rest of predominately red republican Texas, Austin has more than its fair share of flaky fundamentalists and rabid right wingers.


    Austin, just like other heavily liberal leaning cities has... conservatives too. Just as heavily conservative leaning cities have liberal council members, too. Instead of blaming the entire city for this guy's comments, blame the guy for his comment.
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    Sep 11, 2015 12:40 PM GMT
    I find it an insult to who I am to be compared to a pedophile. They are NOT the same thing, and never will be. There are gay pedophiles and straight pedophiles. When a young teen is attracted to have sex with someone of the same sex who is their age, that is gay. When someone who has grown up physically but still has an attraction for the much younger physical body of someone who's will is being taken away from them, who is being used with no choice in the matter or takes advantage of a child's inability to defend them selves, that is wrong, and that is a pedophile. We all have our attractions, if they want to be a pedophile WITHOUT damaging another human being, or manipulating, seducing, raping,someone who has not developed enough to make their own decisions, then that is WRONG. There is too much evidence showing the damage done to those who have been molested by an adult, which that in itself says it needs to be against the law.

    Do NOT compare pedophilia to consenting adults falling in love and having a MUTUAL happy loving relationship and who both made the choice to be with.
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    Sep 11, 2015 12:41 PM GMT
    KEEP

    AUSTIN

    WEIRD!
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    Sep 11, 2015 12:51 PM GMT
    dayumm saidKEEP

    AUSTIN

    WEIRD!
    Austin is well beyond weird. It is the flakiest, most unfriendly, and most horrendously overrated city in the US. I am very thankful to be away from that whacky, sprawled out cesspool on I-35 and the Colorado River.
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    Sep 11, 2015 12:58 PM GMT
    All these pederast posts are by a guy who becomes irate at the mere suggestion that young men ought to date guys their own age. If older men won't date guys their own age, then it doesn't really make sense for them to get hostile when 20 year olds aren't into them either.icon_confused.gif
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    HottJoe saidAll these pederast posts are by a guy who becomes irate at the mere suggestion that young men ought to date guys their own age. If older men won't date guys their own age, then it doesn't really make sense for them to get hostile when 20 year olds aren't into them either.icon_confused.gif


    You are a lying sack of shit.

    You have been telling lies about me and I also saw you tell lies about another poster.

    Hell, you told lies about him shortly after he told the truth about himself, just a few posts prior to your lying about him.

    You are not a man of good character. You are a scumbag.
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    Sep 11, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
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    bonaparts said...it's like pedos seeking for children

    HottJoe said
    Nakedman1969 saidYou like older and I like younger. People have called me a pedophile and I'm not I just love young guys 18-30. Yes I may be ugly but I still can love someone. But the young guys don't want to give me a chance.

    Is it because you're "ugly" that you crave youth?


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/09/freaking-out-about-age-gaps-in-gay-relationships-is-homophobic.html

    Freaking Out About Age Gaps in Gay Relationships Is Homophobic

    In straight relationships with an age gap, words like ‘gold-digger’ and ‘trophy wife’ get thrown around. When it’s a gay relationship, those words change to ‘pedophile’ and ‘pervert.’

    When news broke earlier this week that British actor and comedian Stephen Fry, 57, is now engaged to 27-year-old comedian Elliot Spencer, homophobic social media users suddenly decided they should try to be comedians, too....

    ... as the Advocate reports, tabloid and entertainment sites have taken a more sensationalistic approach which has only been amplified by their comments sections, where people have been calling Fry a “pedophile,” a “pervert,” and a “dirty old man.”...

    ...If it’s not obvious by now, the outsized reaction to Fry and Spencer’s age gap is deeply homophobic. Plenty of straight men—especially famous straight men—have wives that are decidedly their juniors: Harrison Ford is 22 years older than Calista Flockhart, Michael Douglas is 25 years older than Catherine Zeta-Jones, and Clint Eastwood is a whopping 35 years older than his ex-wife...Sure, these Hollywood May-December relationships are surrounded by plenty of hubbub about “trophy wives” and “gold-digging,” but no one thinks that Clint Eastwood is a pedophile just because he married a much younger woman. However much we gossip about heterosexual couples with large age gaps, we at least refrain from calling them sex offenders.

    The news of Fry’s engagement, on the other hand, has done nothing but stoke the flames of a particularly virulent brand of homophobia that sees male homosexuality as a synonym for pedophilia and pederasty. University of California at Davis psychology professor Gregory M. Herek has meticulously documented (and discredited) the history of this unfounded association. In 1970, Herek reports, over 70 percent of respondents to a national survey agreed with the statement: “Homosexuals are dangerous as teachers or youth leaders because they try to get sexually involved with children.” In the 70s, this myth kept openly gay people out of teaching positions. In the 90s, it kept gay men out of leadership roles in the Boy Scouts of America. Today, it continues to circulate freely on the far Right. Even the tired old yarn about homosexuality being just a stone’s throw away from bestiality got some recent attention when Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson said as much during an interview with GQ.

    But you don’t have to be an ideologue for the decades-long association between homosexuality and child sexual abuse to shape your thinking...that Fry has come out as the fiancé of a 27-year-old, he has to face down a half century of sedimented sexual suspicion. No one has to outright call him a pedophile for the old myths about gay men to do their work, they just have to not call his relationship “the sweetest celebrity couple ever” and 50 years of conservative scare tactics will do the heavy lifting anyway....

    ...as Bratton put it between bursts of laughter after learning Spencer’s age: “I’m sorry. He’s not even ‘chicken’ anymore. Twenty-five is the absolute breaking point for homosexual adolescence. You’re done. You’re old now and you’re lucky you’ll get a man. Between 25 and 30, you’re trying to decide how much longer before you start growing a beard and calling yourself ‘Daddy.’”

    And while we often highlight the difficulties of relationships that take place across large age gaps, we hardly spend any time at all looking for their beauty. With Fry and Stephen, there’s plenty of beauty to be found. Two handsome, funny, and well-dressed men—one late in his career, the other early on—holding hands in public while beaming from ear to ear? Whatever their ages, whatever their orientations, that’s sweet no matter what anyone else thinks.
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    Sep 11, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    I don't see how you can call someone homophobic for suggesting that most young guys would rather to date guys their own age. Personally I think they'd be better off if they did. And I'd say the same is generally true for heterosexuals. Does that make me heterophobic?

    You seem to be insinuating that I have called you a sex offender, which I haven't done. I don't think older gay men who refuse to date guys their own age are criminals. I just think they're ageist old fools for rejecting their own generation. If they won't date someone their own age then how can they expect younger guys to date them? It makes no sense. Fortunately, I can safely say that I'll always prefer someone my own age. He's my husband, after all. No cradle robbing or gold digging (to use the prefered terminology) involved.
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    HottJoe saidI don't see how you can call someone homophobic for suggesting that most young guys would rather to date guys their own age. Personally I think they'd be better off if they did. And I'd say the same is generally true for heterosexuals. Does that make me heterophobic?

    You seem to be insinuating that I have called you sex offender, which I haven't done. I don't think older gay men who refuse to date guys their own age are criminals. I just think they're ageist old fools for rejecting their own generation. If they won't date someone their own age then how can they expect younger guys to date them? It makes no sense. Fortunately, I can safely say that I'll always prefer someone my own age. He's my husband, after all. No cradle robbing or gold digging (to use the prefered terminology) involved.


    Here you are again, caught in yet another lie, just like you purposely lied about that other poster, knowing full well the truth he told before you lied about him.

    You are a fucking piece of shit hottjoe. You are garbage.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4105852/
    HottJoe said@antijock

    You're not denying you're a pederast...


    And you said that knowing I am twice widowed from two guys both older than me.

    So not only are you a lying sack of shit. But you even know that you are a lying sack of shit. It would be bad enough if you were a pathological liar, unable to help yourself. You crawl under even the slime of that rock. You are a strategic liar. You lie consciously, willfully, with purpose.

    You wear a face of concern but embody deceit. You are disgusting. Go fuck yourself.
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 11, 2015 6:48 PM GMT
    You don't have to a be pedophile to be considered a pederast. You can still go for guys who are of legal age. Google pederast. It means an older man/younger man.

    I don't doubt that pederasts have similarities to pedophiles, including an inability to sexually attracted to people their own age. I think in many cases it's psychological. It's not a sexuality. It's a preference.

    You're going ape shit over semantics and calling me a liar, when you just don't even know what you're talking about.
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    Sep 11, 2015 6:55 PM GMT
    theantijock And you said that knowing I am twice widowed from two guys both older than me.


    I did offer my condolences the last time you brought this up, yet you keep bringing it up to make a point. Only you're being too vague.

    How much older than you were these guys? Were you a younger guy who dated older guys?

    I don't quite see how my advice to younger gay guys could be so threatening to you that you feel the need to attack me with such vitriol.
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    Sep 11, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
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    theantijock And you said that knowing I am twice widowed from two guys both older than me.


    I did offer my condolences the last time you brought this up, yet you keep bringing it up to make a point. Only you're being too vague.

    How much older than you were these guys? Were you a younger guy who dated older guys?

    I don't quite see how my advice to younger gay guys could be so threatening to you that you feel the need to attack me with such vitriol.


    allow me to clarify:

    fuck you
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    Sep 11, 2015 7:56 PM GMT
    You keep saying you've dated older guys, but you won't say how much older they were, or how old you were when you dated them. Everything about you: the hidden profile, the blatant agenda, and the reluctance to be any less vague than a fork tongued politician just makes you come off as a liar. Of course you'd rather call me a liar, even though I've been completely honest.
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    Sep 11, 2015 8:05 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou keep saying you've dated older guys, but you won't say how much older they were, or how old you were when you dated them. Everything about you: the hidden profile, the blatant agenda, and the reluctance to be any less vague than a fork tongued politician just makes you come off as a liar. Of course you'd rather call me a liar, even though I've been completely honest.

    ^oh look, more subterfuge^

    No one Is buying your little tap dance you little shit.

    you

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    garbage
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    Sep 11, 2015 8:33 PM GMT
    ^you won't even answer simple direct questions, yet you preach. I'm hardly being dishonest. I'm just trying to understand what you're saying, hoping that it will eventually make sense, but at this point you just seem to be having a psychotic breakdown.
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    HottJoe said^you won't even answer simple direct questions, yet you preach. I'm hardly being dishonest. I'm just trying to understand what you're saying, hoping that it will eventually make sense, but at this point you just seem to be having a psychotic breakdown.


    Let's see if you can get this into your tiny little brain. I don't owe you shit. People here have seen me posting for years upon years. Open profile, plenty of pictures, not once have I been dishonest.

    You have herein lied and attempted to manipulate (you even lie about lying when your lying is shown, lol what an asshole lol), and mischaracterized and bullshitted and tried to recast me as some pedo hiding behind a hidden profile. Fuck you. Do you seriously think that most people reading this don't finally see you for the scum you really are. You have so dug a hole for yourself. How pathetic.

    At one point I didn't think you were such dirt. I optimistically stupidly believed you to be a sincere character. And I had trouble understanding why so many guys told you to fuck off. I've given you every benefit of the doubt up until now. But now I see you troll. Fuck off.

    Oh, and congrats on outing yourself. You might as well complete your descent into hell and register Republican at the door.
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    Sep 11, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    HottJoe said^you won't even answer simple direct questions, yet you preach. I'm hardly being dishonest. I'm just trying to understand what you're saying, hoping that it will eventually make sense, but at this point you just seem to be having a psychotic breakdown.


    Let's see if you can get this into your tiny little brain. I don't owe you shit. People here have seen me posting for years upon years. Open profile, plenty of pictures, not once have I been dishonest.

    You have herein lied and attempted to manipulate (you even lie about lying when your lying is shown, lol what an asshole lol), and mischaracterized and bullshitted and tried to recast me as some pedo hiding behind a hidden profile. Fuck you. Do you seriously think that most people reading this don't finally see you for the scum you really are. You have so dug a hole for yourself. How pathetic.

    At one point I didn't think you were such dirt. I optimistically stupidly believed you to be a sincere character. And I had trouble understanding why so many guys told you to fuck off. I've given you every benefit of the doubt up until now. But now I see you troll. Fuck off.

    Oh, and congrats on outing yourself. You might as well complete your descent into hell and register Republican at the door.

    I do wonder what people reading this are thinking...

    The way I see it, I recommended young guys date guys their own age, and you called me a bigot for saying that. I keep trying to understand you better, by asking questions about your relationships with age disparities, since you're making an example of yourself, but you refuse to get specific. Were these guys one year older, fifty years older??? And how old were you relative to them?

    You keep dodging the most pertinent questions by responding that I'm a liar and a scumbag. It seems like you're hiding more than just your profile.

    But again I don't know what other posters would make of any of this.
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    Sep 11, 2015 10:28 PM GMT
    I really don't understand all the acrimony going on in here.

    If you want to date younger guys, what's the problem? I don't hear much complaining about men wishing to date older guys.

    My first real boyfriend was 29 to my 21. It was my choice. At the time it seemed quite a bit older but in retrospect, not really much at all. I sought out this experienced man. I really did.

    Guys in their twenties are not children. No one can force them into a relationship they do not want.

    Unfortunately, there are men here who had less than pleasant experiences at the hands of men who were older than them.

    Sucks.

    And then you have the Anita Bryantists equating being gay with being a pedophile.

    It's a sort of ageist tyranny, I tell you....

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    Sep 11, 2015 10:43 PM GMT
    Nice to see convicted felon and impeached federal judge Alcee Hastings (D-FL) back in the news. His constituents must really love him to keep reelecting him to Congress.
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    Sep 11, 2015 11:21 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidNice to see convicted felon and impeached federal judge Alcee Hastings (D-FL) back in the news. His constituents must really love him to keep reelecting him to Congress.



    What does this have to do with the topic?

    In 1988, the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives took up the case, and Hastings was impeached for bribery and perjury by a vote of 413-3.


    The Senate had the option to forbid Hastings from ever seeking federal office again, but did not do so.

    Hastings filed suit in federal court claiming that his impeachment trial was invalid because he was tried by a Senate committee, not in front of the full Senate, and that he had been acquitted in a criminal trial.

    His constituents make the decision, not you.