Kim Davis Debacle Reveals Frightening Truth About Desperate, Radicalized Christian Right

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    Sep 11, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
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    They don’t have the numbers anymore, so they are turning to more reactionary demands to seize power in any way they can.
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    Despite his regular references to the constitution when making these proclamations, Huckabee’s scheme would mean voiding out the constitution, as well, and not just because, despite his claims to the contrary, there is not a single word in it that gives citizenship status to embryos. It’s also because his scheme would mean ending the balance of powers, concentrating all the power of the legislature and the courts into the hands of the president.

    And once you believe that your interpretation of what God wants trumps rule of law, not just for yourself but for your neighbors, then it follows very quickly that you are entitled to use force and even violence to get your way.

    Some religious right leaders are, in fact, making noises that sound very much like justifying the use of violent force in order to overturn the social progress brought upon the U.S. from the democratic system. “No one should want it and no one, myself included, does want it,” conservative pundit Erick Erickson argued in an op-ed about the Davis case. “But how much longer until we have another civil war?” You can be forgiven for being skeptical of his claim not to want this, of course. On the contrary, it reads very much like a threat: Either give up the gains made under the democratic system or face violent overthrow by religious fanatics.

    Huckabee plays the same game of fantasizing about violent struggle to overturn democracy while pretending to abhor violence. In his Google hangout, he said that he expected that banning abortion by fiat would likely result in “extraordinary pushback, and goodness, perhaps riots in the streets.” He’s not wrong that simply dissolving rule of law and declaring yourself the sole authority would likely result in people resisting, but he shrugged this off as merely the price of doing business.


  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 12, 2015 12:12 AM GMT
    This is the exact same reasoning that Islamic terrorists use. God is on their side, so criminal and violent behavior is justified.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 12, 2015 12:22 AM GMT
    Huckabee is starting to sound like Vladimir Putin.
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    Sep 12, 2015 1:19 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThis is the exact same reasoning that Islamic terrorists use. God is on their side, so criminal and violent behavior is justified.




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    Sep 12, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidThis is the exact same reasoning that Islamic terrorists use. God is on their side, so criminal and violent behavior is justified.




    Now, imagine these nut jobs, running our military....... prophecy fulfilled icon_eek.gif


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    It has already happened. George W Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld. And the Republicans managed to smear all who didn't buy their bullshit as anti-American. The R party still is working this angle. All the R candidates still raise the flag of hate by picking a minority to smack down. I believe they would use us for target practice with their beloved guns if they thought they could get away with it.
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    Sep 12, 2015 1:52 AM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    ELNathB said
    KissTheSky saidThis is the exact same reasoning that Islamic terrorists use. God is on their side, so criminal and violent behavior is justified.




    Now, imagine these nut jobs, running our military....... prophecy fulfilled icon_eek.gif


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    It has already happened. George W Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld. And the Republicans managed to smear all who didn't buy their bullshit as anti-American. The R party still is working this angle. All the R candidates still raise the flag of hate by picking a minority to smack down. I believe they would use us for target practice with their beloved guns if they thought they could get away with it.





    With the rise of the "new right wing", the "plot" would be ten times worse than this one if they got a hold of the "newest military" instruments. If you think 9/11 was an inside job (hidden right wing nut jobs), then there next plan I can only imagine since the nut jobs are no longer hidden and they are getting desperate for more blood shed. If they lose 2016 to liberals again, the rest of the world should breath a sigh of relief. If not, I am telling you, Judgment Day cometh and their forced prophecy will be played out. (Join or Die)

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    Sep 12, 2015 9:36 PM GMT
    I concur with the original poster's viewpoint.

    False belief systems are a clear and present danger to us all.

    We can't solve this by killing people.

    We solve this via education. We teach folks critical thinking skills, and self esteem, so they will no longer engage in false belief systems.
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    Sep 13, 2015 1:41 AM GMT
    If the gay press would ignore them they would be an unknown invisible minority.
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    Sep 13, 2015 3:37 AM GMT
    The only problem is that Kim Davis is not religious right... apparently she's a democrat. Just like a lot of blacks, hispanics and asians who struggle with gay marriage are not religious right as they vote heavily democratic.

    This issue is not as simple as some make it to be.

    1. Some are grossed out by the thought of same sex just as gay men are often grossed out by vaginas and lesbians.

    2. Some are offended that the religious definition of marriage has been weakened by semantics and government definition. It was a sacred act that now has become a contract.

    3. Some think that Civil Unions are the answers for gays, Marriage is for straights where both allow the same rights but make a distinction.

    4. Some are closet bigots who are using religion to cloak their beliefs.

    5. Some are gays/bi's who are struggling with sexuality and feel they have to take a mind over matter hardline approach.

    6. Others were raised to think a certain way and have had limited exposure (hence the rural areas skew antigay and the heavily populated areas tend to be more mixed.)

    I'm not saying it's right or wrong nor am I condoning it. But if we want others to understand us, we have to take a little time to understand others too so we can find common ground. It's a best practice that has worked very well in my life as both a black person and a gay person.


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    Sep 13, 2015 3:48 AM GMT
    1. Some are grossed out by interracial marriage but it's legal. Some people are grossed out by Lima beans but you can still buy them in the stores. Jews and Muslims can't eat pork but they don't get to stop the rest of us from enjoying bacon.

    2. Government marriage IS a legal contract. Religious marriage is both a sacred and legal contract. Neither government or religious marriage diminishes the other.

    3. A rose by any other name...
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    Sep 13, 2015 3:59 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidIf the gay press would ignore them they would be an unknown invisible minority.
    If the gay press would ignore them they would silently increase in numbers till they have political power...again.
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    Alpha13 saidIf the gay press would ignore them they would be an unknown invisible minority.
    If the gay press would ignore them they would silently increase in numbers till they have political power...again.


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    Alpha13 saidIf the gay press would ignore them they would be an unknown invisible minority.
    If the gay press would ignore them they would silently increase in numbers till they have political power...again.


    Yes, they must be exposed for the idiots they are. I just wish the gay press was a bit more professional than HuffPost and QWEERTY ( the two most often linked to here on RJ) Does anyone know of more reputable gay news outlets?

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    paulflexes said
    Alpha13 saidIf the gay press would ignore them they would be an unknown invisible minority.
    If the gay press would ignore them they would silently increase in numbers till they have political power...again.


    Yes, they must be exposed for the idiots they are. I just wish the gay press was a bit more professional than HuffPost and QWEERTY ( the two most often linked to here on RJ) Does anyone know of more reputable gay news outlets?


    If I arrived from another planet and started reading gay 'lifestyle' magazines that are in each metro area I'd be scratching my head wondering what these people consider to be equal rights and/or suffering. Because these magazines show us as rich, overeducated, overqualified, able to afford $2 million condos with quartz countertops and oak flooring, able to afford any/all cosmetic surgery procedures, cutesy expensive restaurants, $2000 sunglasses, etc - so rich gay people are the only ones who deserve a magazine that talks about what's going on? Where are the announcements for public housing, or for county assistance or how to get health insurance for the uninsured? Are gay men embarrassed by other gay men who aren't rich, under 40, or who don't look perfect or have access to things only afforded to the most affluent?

    Gay men's problems aren't with right-wing rednecks from Kentucky. Gay men's problems start and end with each other. We HATE the fact that we only get 3-4% of the population to choose from and are disappointed time after time after time when we see what is really 'out there' in terms of 'selection' in the gay community. All these websites showing straight college boys flinging their jockstraps and all these personal ads with young straight athletes just waiting to meet them are a sad reminder that most of us don't like each other, and most gay men think they deserve something other than the gay men they see every day and never even acknowledge. Until we give a crap about other gay men, we will keep resenting each other and wanting nothing to do with one another. No other minority group hates it's own members as much as we do. Which is really sad: we have not a lot of support from non-gays and we have just about zero support from real gay men around us. It's not AIDS that will be our biggest epidemic in the future - it'll be suicide.
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    UndercoverMan said
    paulflexes said
    Alpha13 saidIf the gay press would ignore them they would be an unknown invisible minority.
    If the gay press would ignore them they would silently increase in numbers till they have political power...again.


    Yes, they must be exposed for the idiots they are. I just wish the gay press was a bit more professional than HuffPost and QWEERTY ( the two most often linked to here on RJ) Does anyone know of more reputable gay news outlets?


    If I arrived from another planet and started reading gay 'lifestyle' magazines that are in each metro area I'd be scratching my head wondering what these people consider to be equal rights and/or suffering. Because these magazines show us as rich, overeducated, overqualified, able to afford $2 million condos with quartz countertops and oak flooring, able to afford any/all cosmetic surgery procedures, cutesy expensive restaurants, $2000 sunglasses, etc - so rich gay people are the only ones who deserve a magazine that talks about what's going on? Where are the announcements for public housing, or for county assistance or how to get health insurance for the uninsured? Are gay men embarrassed by other gay men who aren't rich, under 40, or who don't look perfect or have access to things only afforded to the most affluent?

    Gay men's problems aren't with right-wing rednecks from Kentucky. Gay men's problems start and end with each other. We HATE the fact that we only get 3-4% of the population to choose from and are disappointed time after time after time when we see what is really 'out there' in terms of 'selection' in the gay community. All these websites showing straight college boys flinging their jockstraps and all these personal ads with young straight athletes just waiting to meet them are a sad reminder that most of us don't like each other, and most gay men think they deserve something other than the gay men they see every day and never even acknowledge. Until we give a crap about other gay men, we will keep resenting each other and wanting nothing to do with one another. No other minority group hates it's own members as much as we do. Which is really sad: we have not a lot of support from non-gays and we have just about zero support from real gay men around us. It's not AIDS that will be our biggest epidemic in the future - it'll be suicide.




    Some good points there. We lost a lot of our people during the 80's and 90's from Aids. Those people we lost, if they had survived would be mid 50's early 60's by now. Being out myself now, some 25 years, I really cant see that far into the future, another 25 years from now what gay life will be like and all the current, aging people, like myself will be

    Aids is no longer a death sentence for us, most of America has quit smoking or being forced to. The gyms or health clubs are packed, RJ, a "fitness" website continues. Advances in medical treatment for aging skin. A lot of gay guys in particular, I guess one thing we all wonder about is getting older. I mean when we hear gay men complain that their life is over, turning 30 years old, one has to wonder. Finding the "Fountain of Youth" is most problematic for our community. I myself included, if I could afford it, would like an eye/brow lift. Years of eye glasses or contacts, natural dark circles and or puffiness has just got more pronounced as I age, and I look tired all the time. So I decided a few years ago, I was going to start treating my eyes without any surgery , and its working, especially under eye bags. Of course the idea is a more "youthful look", I am not ashamed of that. I was already lucky being a pubescent late bloomer (back then it was a curse, now its a blessing).

    I think the next frontier in gay life is more senior housing and development. We are not like our hetero counter parts, I have seen this first hand when I went to my 21 year class reunion, my hetero classmates looked 10+ years older than they actually are, even the "jocks", I was stunned at how bad these people "let themselves go" because most were married many years already and or have kids. As we live longer, well into actual retirement, many of us single (hopefully more married now, going into the future), have no one to take care of us. Since most of us do not have any children, who would normally take care of us in older age.

    Because of this, we need to take care of ourselves and stay healthy as long as possible, because I don't know of many places where older gay men go (im still looking at palm springs myself when its time). It may come across to some, in our own community, as non caring or selfish, but when you are by yourself and you have made it this far, there is no time for bitching. Life is very short when you look at it from the bigger picture.

    Religion has deprived us, cut our lives short. By shaming us, through early death and suicides. Religion has given us "no hope" and no support in our survival. They declared war on us, we didn't against them. The only way for us to survive long enough is to fight back against these oppressors. It should be interesting to watch the younger generation of gays coming up, including activists, how they handle todays religious right wing nut jobs. They seem to be more determined than ever, than the Anita Bryant days, to remove our existence from planet earth.