All four magistrates in North Carolina McDowell County refuse to perform gay marriages

  • metta

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    Sep 12, 2015 3:50 PM GMT
    All four magistrates in North Carolina county refuse to perform gay marriages


    Court officials opt out of all marriages causing 'admin disaster'


    All four magistrates in McDowell County, North Carolina are refusing to perform gay marriages, citing the state’s new religious exemption law.

    Hilary Hollified, Thomas Atkinson, Debbie Terrell and Chad Johnson have all recused themselves from officiating any marriage – gay or straight – for six months. They will then have to refile for exemption or start marrying gay couples.

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/all-four-magistrates-in-north-carolina-county-refuse-to-perform-gay-marriages/
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 12, 2015 4:45 PM GMT
    They took an oath to uphold the Constitution.
    If they chose not to do that, they should resign.

    Of course, that would mean giving up that fat paycheck for doing very little. I have my doubts about people this ignorant -- are they qualified to go get a real job?
    I'm guessing aging Southern bigots are not fighting off tons of job offers. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Sep 12, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
    The land of the free...Oh! Say can you see by the dawn's early light, my Star Spangled Banner is covered with turd's!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 12, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    All four of these narrow minded bible thumping screwballs should be thrown into jail.icon_mad.gif
  • ncsudude

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    Sep 12, 2015 7:02 PM GMT
    I'm embarrassed for my home state
  • ChicagoSteve

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    Sep 12, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
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    metta saidAll four magistrates in North Carolina county refuse to perform gay marriages


    Court officials opt out of all marriages causing 'admin disaster'


    All four magistrates in McDowell County, North Carolina are refusing to perform gay marriages, citing the state’s new religious exemption law.

    Hilary Hollified, Thomas Atkinson, Debbie Terrell and Chad Johnson have all recused themselves from officiating any marriage – gay or straight – for six months. They will then have to refile for exemption or start marrying gay couples.

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/all-four-magistrates-in-north-carolina-county-refuse-to-perform-gay-marriages/


    Why should there be any exemptions? It's the law, upheld by the Supreme Court!
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    Sep 12, 2015 8:08 PM GMT
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    Why should there be any exemptions? It's the law, upheld by the Supreme Court!

    Because certain Southern States believe in "Nullification" which flourished until they lost the Civil War. This is a principle that says States may nullify (declare invalid & ignore) Federal laws and those parts of the US Constitution with which they do not agree. Nullification is again all the rage in the South, especially regarding LGBT civil rights.
  • FRE0

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    Sep 12, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
    Did similar things occur when the Supreme Court ruled that anti miscegenation laws were unconstitutional?
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 12, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
    Isn't it interesting how fast they change their tune when they go cash those checks from the Federal government... Social Security, "Disability," Unemployment, Welfare.
    The Southerners couldn't be more patriotic when it comes to accepting Uncle Sam's money (i.e. money from YOU and ME.)
  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Sep 12, 2015 8:56 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said[i]
    metta saidAll four magistrates in North Carolina county refuse to perform gay marriages


    Court officials opt out of all marriages causing 'admin disaster'


    All four magistrates in McDowell County, North Carolina are refusing to perform gay marriages, citing the state’s new religious exemption law.

    Hilary Hollified, Thomas Atkinson, Debbie Terrell and Chad Johnson have all recused themselves from officiating any marriage – gay or straight – for six months. They will then have to refile for exemption or start marrying gay couples.

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/all-four-magistrates-in-north-carolina-county-refuse-to-perform-gay-marriages/


    Why should there be any exemptions? It's the law, upheld by the Supreme Court!


    There are ALWAYS loopholes.
  • jeepguySD

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    Sep 13, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    They're drawing the line and making a stand because that has always worked out so well...just like for the anti women's suffrage types, and the pro segregation types, and the anti miscegenation types, to name just a few.

    One thing that I find interesting is how these very sensational protests run counter to the prevailing wisdom that as more LGBT people came out of the closet, being gay would become more generally accepted. While I think this has been true for the main stream population, it seems to have simultaneously prompted much more hateful reactions from the most maliciously anti-LGBT segment of the population.

    Basically, as the LGBT community at-large has come out of the closet, so have the haters, and this fits a predictable historic pattern.
  • ChicagoSteve

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    Sep 13, 2015 12:57 AM GMT
    What I don't understand here is,the Supreme Court made a ruling. If it is really not something that has to be accepted and rules law, regardless of the state, what's the point?
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    Sep 13, 2015 1:36 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidDid similar things occur when the Supreme Court ruled that anti miscegenation laws were unconstitutional?


    Actually, several state, all southern, refused initially to comply, with several repeated direct court orders...many of these states still had the miscegenation laws on their books for YEARS...and attempted to enforce them.
    The last state to repeal and remove the laws from their state laws was....take a wild guess.....Alabama!....in what year?...2000! ....when was the federal court order? 1967!...that would be a 33 year span of time for the south to be bigots and dumbasses...essentially a generation had to die off to make life better.

    http://www.tn.gov/tsla/exhibits/blackhistory/pdfs/Miscegenation laws.pdf

    Sixteen states(year of statehood) saw their anti-miscegenation laws overturned by Loving v. Virginia in 1967:
    Alabama (1819)
    Arkansas (1836)
    Delaware (1787)
    Florida (1845)
    Georgia (1788 )
    Kentucky (1792)
    Louisiana (1812)
    Mississippi (1817)
    Missouri (1821)
    North Carolina (1789)
    Oklahoma (1907)
    South Carolina (1788 )
    Texas (1845)
    Tennessee (1796)
    Virginia (1788 )
    West Virginia (1863)

    Fourteen states repealed anti-miscegenation laws between 1948 and 1967:
    Arizona (1912)
    California (1850)
    Colorado (1876)
    Idaho (1890)
    Indiana (1816)
    Maryland (1788 )
    Montana (1889)
    Nebraska (1867)
    Nevada (1864)
    North Dakota (1889)
    Oregon (1859)
    South Dakota (1889)
    Utah (1896)
    Wyoming (1890)


    Eleven states repealed anti-miscegenation laws before 1887:
    Illinois (1818 )
    Iowa (1846)
    Kansas (1861)
    Maine (1820)
    Massachusetts (1788 )
    Michigan (1837)
    New Mexico (1912)
    Ohio (1803)
    Pennsylvania (1787)
    Rhode Island (1790)
    Washington (state)

    Nine states never had any laws of this type:
    Alaska (1959)
    Connecticut (1788 )
    Hawaii (1959)
    Minnesota (1858 )
    New Hampshire (1788 )
    New Jersey (1787)
    New York (1788 )
    Vermont (1791)
    Wisconsin (1848 )


    In North Carolina up until 1967.....a person was not considered "white" if it could be shown that he was 1/64th black, by geneology....Unreal!...I found this article and it showed the "Legal terms" used in North Carolina to name the degree of "blackness"....It is highly offensive and insultingly ignorant....
    TERMS FORMERLY USED TO REPRESENT DEGREES OF BLACKNESS:

    mulatto - A person of mixed race who is half white and half black. Based on the Spanish word mulo meaning "mule," and implying that the person is sterile like a mule. (Another
    familiar misconception concerned the concept of “hybrid vigor,” the idea that breeding across difference, as with dogs, creates a stronger, and more attractive breed.) In
    some ways, this is the most shocking of all the words on these pages describing the varieties of black people with mixed blood.

    quadroon or quarteron - A person with one white parent and one mulatto parent. Such a person would be 3/4 white and 1/4 black.

    octoroon or metif - A person who has one white parent and one quadroon parent. Such a person would be 7/8 white and 1/8 black.

    meamelouc or mamelouque - See sextaroon.

    sextaroon - Also called a meamelouc or mamelouque. A person who is 1/16 black. The parents would be a full-blooded white and an octoroon.

    demi-meamelouc - A person who is 1/32 black. The parents would be a full-blooded white and a sextaroon.

    sangmelee - A person who is 1/64 black. The parents would be a full-blooded white and a demimeamelouc.

    griffe – A person whose parents are a full-blooded black and a mulatto. Such a person would be 3/4 black and 1/4 white. The term is also used to describe the offspring of a mulatto and an American Indian, or any person of mixed Negro and American Indian blood.

    marabou - A person who is 5/8 black. The parents would be a full-blooded black and a quadroon.

    sacatra - A person who is 7/8 black. The parents would be a full-blooded black and a griffe.
    <><><><><>
    OTHER TERMS RELATED TO THE PERIOD OF SLAVERY

    contraband - Early in the war, the War Department allowed slaves fleeing their masters to enter Union lines as "contraband of war" (i.e. property that might be confiscated to fight against the Union).

    drapetomania - According to Dr. Samuel Cartwright of Louisiana, this was one of two diseases from which slaves suffered. Cartwright said that this disease caused slaves to run away. Dr. Jonathan Miller, an English pathologist, has defined this term tongue-in-cheek as "a morbid desire to be free." (See also dysaethesia aethiopica.)

    dysaethesia aethiopica - A second disease which Dr. Cartwright claimed slaves suffered from.
    Slaves having this disease were apt to commit intentional acts of mischief. Cartwright claimed that the cure for this disease and drapetomania was whipping.
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    FRE0 saidDid similar things occur when the Supreme Court ruled that anti miscegenation laws were unconstitutional?


    Actually, several state, all southern, refused initially to comply, with several repeated direct court orders...many of these states still had the miscegenation laws on their books for YEARS...and attempted to enforce them.
    The last state to repeal and remove the laws from their state laws was....take a wild guess.....Alabama!....in what year?...2000! ....when was the federal court order? 1967!...that would be a 33 year span of time for the south to be bigots and dumbasses...essentially a generation had to die off to make life better.

    http://www.tn.gov/tsla/exhibits/blackhistory/pdfs/Miscegenation laws.pdf

    Sixteen states(year of statehood) saw their anti-miscegenation laws overturned by Loving v. Virginia in 1967:
    Alabama (1819)
    Arkansas (1836)
    Delaware (1787)
    Florida (1845)
    Georgia (1788 )
    Kentucky (1792)
    Louisiana (1812)
    Mississippi (1817)
    Missouri (1821)
    North Carolina (1789)
    Oklahoma (1907)
    South Carolina (1788 )
    Texas (1845)
    Tennessee (1796)
    Virginia (1788 )
    West Virginia (1863)

    Fourteen states repealed anti-miscegenation laws between 1948 and 1967:
    Arizona (1912)
    California (1850)
    Colorado (1876)
    Idaho (1890)
    Indiana (1816)
    Maryland (1788 )
    Montana (1889)
    Nebraska (1867)
    Nevada (1864)
    North Dakota (1889)
    Oregon (1859)
    South Dakota (1889)
    Utah (1896)
    Wyoming (1890)


    Eleven states repealed anti-miscegenation laws before 1887:
    Illinois (1818 )
    Iowa (1846)
    Kansas (1861)
    Maine (1820)
    Massachusetts (1788 )
    Michigan (1837)
    New Mexico (1912)
    Ohio (1803)
    Pennsylvania (1787)
    Rhode Island (1790)
    Washington (state)

    Nine states never had any laws of this type:
    Alaska (1959)
    Connecticut (1788 )
    Hawaii (1959)
    Minnesota (1858 )
    New Hampshire (1788 )
    New Jersey (1787)
    New York (1788 )
    Vermont (1791)
    Wisconsin (1848 )


    In North Carolina up until 1967.....a person was not considered "white" if it could be shown that he was 1/64th black, by geneology....Unreal!...I found this article and it showed the "Legal terms" used in North Carolina to name the degree of "blackness"....It is highly offensive and insultingly ignorant....
    TERMS FORMERLY USED TO REPRESENT DEGREES OF BLACKNESS:

    mulatto - A person of mixed race who is half white and half black. Based on the Spanish word mulo meaning "mule," and implying that the person is sterile like a mule. (Another
    familiar misconception concerned the concept of “hybrid vigor,” the idea that breeding across difference, as with dogs, creates a stronger, and more attractive breed.) In
    some ways, this is the most shocking of all the words on these pages describing the varieties of black people with mixed blood.

    quadroon or quarteron - A person with one white parent and one mulatto parent. Such a person would be 3/4 white and 1/4 black.

    octoroon or metif - A person who has one white parent and one quadroon parent. Such a person would be 7/8 white and 1/8 black.

    meamelouc or mamelouque - See sextaroon.

    sextaroon - Also called a meamelouc or mamelouque. A person who is 1/16 black. The parents would be a full-blooded white and an octoroon.

    demi-meamelouc - A person who is 1/32 black. The parents would be a full-blooded white and a sextaroon.

    sangmelee - A person who is 1/64 black. The parents would be a full-blooded white and a demimeamelouc.

    griffe – A person whose parents are a full-blooded black and a mulatto. Such a person would be 3/4 black and 1/4 white. The term is also used to describe the offspring of a mulatto and an American Indian, or any person of mixed Negro and American Indian blood.

    marabou - A person who is 5/8 black. The parents would be a full-blooded black and a quadroon.

    sacatra - A person who is 7/8 black. The parents would be a full-blooded black and a griffe.
    <><><><><>
    OTHER TERMS RELATED TO THE PERIOD OF SLAVERY

    contraband - Early in the war, the War Department allowed slaves fleeing their masters to enter Union lines as "contraband of war" (i.e. property that might be confiscated to fight against the Union).

    drapetomania - According to Dr. Samuel Cartwright of Louisiana, this was one of two diseases from which slaves suffered. Cartwright said that this disease caused slaves to run away. Dr. Jonathan Miller, an English pathologist, has defined this term tongue-in-cheek as "a morbid desire to be free." (See also dysaethesia aethiopica.)

    dysaethesia aethiopica - A second disease which Dr. Cartwright claimed slaves suffered from.
    Slaves having this disease were apt to commit intentional acts of mischief. Cartwright claimed that the cure for this disease and drapetomania was whipping.


    Very informative.

    I remember Dallas being a place where segregation was the order of the day.

    The radical right (and, they are radical) is trying to use their religion as an excuse. As we all know, SCOTUS has ruled on gay marriage, and..under A14, and SCOTUS decisions...it's the law of The U.S. The Supremacy Clause trumps all other law. I.e., state, municipal, etc. The Fed wins..every time...in time. Southern Obstruction is nothing new. It's sad to see it happening, again..but...it's predictable. The nut cases think (e.g. Huckabee), think they can trump the law of the land with A1. Nope. It doesn't say that. It says that the Fed will have no official religion. Period. It DOES NOT say you can refuse equality because you feel like it..say, if you become a vegan, you cannot stop issuing fishing permits. You want to not to do that...get another fucking job. The Right (very wrong) is going to try to do this thing claiming they're somehow being steps on, but, you are NOT entitled to a job; you are not allowed to inject your false belief systems into your job in our secular government. PERIOD.

    Scotus has ruled. They refused the appeal. Period. Fully 75% of U.S. citizens support equality in marriage. Not the other way.

    The South did the whole "separate but equal" shit, and SCOTUS said NO.

    This issue is decided. We just need to put a few more folks in jail, and sue the bastards.
  • Wendigo9

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    Sep 13, 2015 3:07 AM GMT
    Obama made it clear that "all states must comply" with his leagalizing gay marriage, as an act of equal rights. Kinda makes me wonder if Trump is religous or arrogant enough to attack us next, after taking on women and immigration very harshly : /
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    Sep 13, 2015 3:20 AM GMT
    All four magistrates in McDowell County, North Carolina are refusing to perform gay marriages, citing the state’s new religious exemption law.






    I think NC and Utah are the only 2 states that have passed "religious freedom" laws. It was passed in NC over the veto of the Republican governor...
    Hopefully will be challenged in court and overturned....
  • jeepguySD

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    Sep 13, 2015 3:29 AM GMT
    Wendigo9 saidObama made it clear that "all states must comply" with his leagalizing gay marriage, as an act of equal rights. Kinda makes me wonder if Trump is religous or arrogant enough to attack us next, after taking on women and immigration very harshly : /


    As with most bullies, Trump tends to pick on groups less able to fight back -- namely immigrants -- and his comments against women are simply misogynistic. I suspect that he knows that similar attacks on the LGBT population would hurt him in the general election, even if it won some votes in the Republican primaries.
  • tictactoe

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    Sep 13, 2015 7:44 AM GMT
    Wendigo9 saidObama made it clear that "all states must comply" with his leagalizing gay marriage, as an act of equal rights: /



    Obama didn't legalize gay marriage. The US Supreme Court did.
  • tictactoe

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    Sep 13, 2015 7:59 AM GMT
    mountain_view said
    metta saidAll four magistrates in North Carolina county refuse to perform gay marriages




    Are they Southern Baptists? Funny how the southern baptists always claim to be so patriotic by waving their flags everywhere (if not the Confederate Flag in Prescott, Arizona), and then they turn around and disobey federal court statutes.



    There's no such thing as a "federal court statute". There are only federal court rulings, decisions and orders. Hate to be a nitpicky soul, but I'm bored, so... icon_eek.gif
  • tictactoe

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    Sep 13, 2015 8:08 AM GMT
    Actually, Utah has its fair share of dumb people too, just like anywhere else.

    I'm not aware of anyone panicking over the decision here in Utah, or of any court/agency not complying with the decision. Mormons are conservative, but they're polite and respectful, not homophobic Bible-thumping. In my experience anyway.
  • Apparition

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    Sep 13, 2015 8:40 AM GMT
    Perhaps a test for rationality should be put into the constitution down there for all gov jobs.
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    Sep 13, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    My take is there are 2 Americas colliding into each other right now. It's not rich vs poor, not white vs minorities, not gay vs straight, male vs female, young vs old, conservatives vs liberals, nor religious vs secularism...

    It's People Who Care Enough About Others To Do the Right Thing vs People Who Don't Care Enough.
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    Sep 13, 2015 8:23 PM GMT
    File this in the "Things Nobody Remembers" file along with whatshername.