Troubling brewing in the twin cities as isis recruits

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    Sep 14, 2015 3:29 AM GMT
    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/09/13/the-twin-cities-have-an-isis-problem/21235247/

    Surprised Columbus wasn't also mentioned.
  • bobbobbob

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    Sep 14, 2015 7:43 AM GMT


    The dominant rhetoric in Minnesota about the Somalis is they are only 'misunderstood' and 'alienated' - according to a good friend there. The truth is most of them have gone out of their ways not to integrate into American society and most of their violence is directed on the Somalis who are attempting to work their ways into the mainstream.

    I'm not familiar with the situation in Columbus. However my friend in Minneapolis says the Somalis there live in fear of the ones from Canada who they blame for much of the violence and radical Islam.






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    Sep 14, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
    Minnesotans are great people, but they can be awfully naive at times, as they were when they volunteered to be the host for this latest infestation of unassimilating immigrants. They've proven to be nothing but trouble ever since they arrived, and are markedly decreasing the quality of life in what were once two very livable and tolerant cities. You can blame the do-gooding left for this one, too, and rightly so for all its grandstanding about "compassion," without heeding its consequences.
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    Sep 14, 2015 6:42 PM GMT
    We've been hit pretty hard too.

    I had a couple of SoCal owners of apartment complexes here go from 0% to 100% in seven or eight years. The result being that we've had so much damage, non-pay, evictions that gross expenses exceeded gross income.

    There were recourse loans on those properties so they ended up, after all said and done, losing their homes in California. Not quit what I had intended so I'm out of that business in Columbus northeast inside of I-270.
  • tj85016

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    Sep 14, 2015 7:15 PM GMT
    lol as if the Irish, the Italians, the Scots, the Russian Jews didn't have a few thousand complete dirt bags, degenerates and criminals in their mists 100 years ago
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    Sep 14, 2015 9:59 PM GMT
    When my ancestors came to this country they left their ENTIRE lives behind. There was no air travel, there was no mass communication - TV, radio, reliable international mail service, internet, etc. They left their old lives and allegiances behind in the old world and came to the new with only a dream of a better life. Within the first generation their children's children didn't even have a rudimentary knowledge of their grandparent's native tongue. All ties to the old country were severed. Within a generation, they became Americans - US citizens with allegiances to no other lands or foreign ideologies.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case today.

    We can't just raise the portcullis and let everyone in over the moat without a high level of vetting of their backgrounds. Their are those who would like nothing better than to destroy this country - something that didn't exist when the mass migrations to the US of the 19th century occurred.
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    Sep 14, 2015 10:12 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidlol as if the Irish, the Italians, the Scots, the Russian Jews didn't have a few thousand complete dirt bags, degenerates and criminals in their mists 100 years ago


    Of course they did. But, they didn't arrive here with essentially all expenses paid, free housing and welfare benefits awaiting them, and with legions of lawyers willing to go to bat for them at the slightest provocation, however real or imagined - if not contrived. And, when they were found out as lawbreakers, they were deported, so step out of the fog of revisionist history and recognize the huge difference between now and then.
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    Sep 14, 2015 10:50 PM GMT
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    MGINSD said
    tj85016 saidlol as if the Irish, the Italians, the Scots, the Russian Jews didn't have a few thousand complete dirt bags, degenerates and criminals in their mists 100 years ago


    Of course they did. But, they didn't arrive here with essentially all expenses paid, free housing and welfare benefits awaiting them, and with legions of lawyers willing to go to bat for them at the slightest provocation, however real or imagined - if not contrived. And, when they were found out as lawbreakers, they were deported, so step out of the fog of revisionist history and recognize the huge difference between now and then.



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    Sep 14, 2015 11:01 PM GMT
    lol revisionist history? really?

    all I've said was that tens of thousands of immigrants from Ireland, Poland, Scotland, Russia, Italy and England were dirt bags and criminals - that's all I said

    did we deport them all? nope

    did we even deport 10% of them? nope

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    Sep 15, 2015 12:17 AM GMT
    Weren't these initially the Somali "Lost Boys", the innocent victims of sectarian conflicts? And weren't the original US sponsors mostly church groups, primarily Lutheran as I recall? Not any kind of political left-wingers.

    I was living up there at the time. And I was surprised these Lost Boys would find a good match with Minnesota. Out of the frying pan and into the freezer.

    The dominant culture there is White northern European, predominantly Scandinavian and German. You can walk from one end of the Mall of America to the other (biggest in the US, just outside Minneapolis) and never see a Black face, unless they're a tourist. And the climate is the exact opposite of Somalia.

    These Somalis were programmed to fail. And become ripe targets for radicalization.

    Whoever thought to bring them to US northern States was a fool. Anywhere but there. This outcome doesn't surprise me.
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    Sep 15, 2015 12:30 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWeren't these initially the Somali "Lost Boys", the innocent victims of sectarian conflicts? And weren't the initial US sponsors mostly church groups, primarily Lutheran as I recall? Not any kind of political left-wingers.

    I was living up there at the time. And I was surprised these Lost Boys would find a good match with Minnesota. Out of the frying pan and into the freezer.

    The dominant culture there is White northern European, predominantly Scandinavian and German. You can walk from one end of the Mall of America to the other (biggest in the US, just outside Minneapolis) and never see a Black face, unless they're a tourist. And the climate is the exact opposite of Somalia.

    These Somalis were programmed to fail. And become ripe targets for radicalization.

    Whoever thought to bring them to US northern States was a fool. Anywhere but there. This outcome doesn't surprise me.


    Here in Columbus it's been mostly Abigail Wexner (The Limited)
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    Sep 15, 2015 1:12 AM GMT
    Hey! Here's an idea. If a Somali American leaves the US bound for Somalia, Ethiopia, or ISIS stronghold they are denied re-entry to the US. Problem solved.
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    Sep 15, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidWhen my ancestors came to this country they left their ENTIRE lives behind. There was no air travel, there was no mass communication - TV, radio, reliable international mail service, internet, etc. They left their old lives and allegiances behind in the old world and came to the new with only a dream of a better life. Within the first generation their children's children didn't even have a rudimentary knowledge of their grandparent's native tongue. All ties to the old country were severed. Within a generation, they became Americans - US citizens with allegiances to no other lands or foreign ideologies.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case today.

    We can't just raise the portcullis and let everyone in over the moat without a high level of vetting of their backgrounds. Their are those who would like nothing better than to destroy this country - something that didn't exist when the mass migrations to the US of the 19th century occurred.


    Of course no one did. 19th century United States was not a meddling world power then. It was instead a land of vast natural wealth and variety that was run by a bunch of greedy psychotics who wanted to enslave or kill any locals who did not look just like themselves.
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    Sep 15, 2015 6:01 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidlol revisionist history? really?

    all I've said was that tens of thousands of immigrants from Ireland, Poland, Scotland, Russia, Italy and England were dirt bags and criminals - that's all I said

    did we deport them all? nope

    did we even deport 10% of them? nope



    Think how many of *ALL OF YOU* might not be here had there been deportations...
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    Sep 15, 2015 7:18 PM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidWhen my ancestors came to this country they left their ENTIRE lives behind. There was no air travel, there was no mass communication - TV, radio, reliable international mail service, internet, etc. They left their old lives and allegiances behind in the old world and came to the new with only a dream of a better life. Within the first generation their children's children didn't even have a rudimentary knowledge of their grandparent's native tongue. All ties to the old country were severed. Within a generation, they became Americans - US citizens with allegiances to no other lands or foreign ideologies.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case today.

    We can't just raise the portcullis and let everyone in over the moat without a high level of vetting of their backgrounds. Their are those who would like nothing better than to destroy this country - something that didn't exist when the mass migrations to the US of the 19th century occurred.


    Of course no one did. 19th century United States was not a meddling world power then. It was instead a land of vast natural wealth and variety that was run by a bunch of greedy psychotics who wanted to enslave or kill any locals who did not look just like themselves.


    Dominate and control, yes; "enslave or kill ... locals," not at all. And, while greed was certainly a factor, very few of our leaders then were psychotics. But, we've certainly made up for lost time in that department - ward? - since 1968.
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    Sep 15, 2015 8:46 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWeren't these initially the Somali "Lost Boys", the innocent victims of sectarian conflicts? And weren't the original US sponsors mostly church groups, primarily Lutheran as I recall? Not any kind of political left-wingers.

    I was living up there at the time. And I was surprised these Lost Boys would find a good match with Minnesota. Out of the frying pan and into the freezer.

    The dominant culture there is White northern European, predominantly Scandinavian and German. You can walk from one end of the Mall of America to the other (biggest in the US, just outside Minneapolis) and never see a Black face, unless they're a tourist. And the climate is the exact opposite of Somalia.

    These Somalis were programmed to fail. And become ripe targets for radicalization.

    Whoever thought to bring them to US northern States was a fool. Anywhere but there. This outcome doesn't surprise me.



    Just a technical detail: It's true that the "Lost Boys" were refugees from Northeastern Africa who were resettled in the Midwest as a result of sectarian and ethnic conflict. But they were Southern Sudanese, rather than Somali. At that time, southern Sudan was part of Sudan, and the northern Sudanese, Moslems of Arabic descent, were oppressing the southern Sudanese, who were mostly Animist or Christian members of the Dinka tribe. The "Lost Boys" were refugees from that conflict. Since that time, Southern Sudan has become an independent nation.

    The Somalis were refugees from the civil war going on in Somalia. They were also resettled in the Midwest, and almost all of them are Moslem.

    The Somalis and the Dinka are related to each other ethnically, but they have different cultures, and speak different languages.

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    Sep 20, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    UndercoverMan saidWhen my ancestors came to this country they left their ENTIRE lives behind. There was no air travel, there was no mass communication - TV, radio, reliable international mail service, internet, etc. They left their old lives and allegiances behind in the old world and came to the new with only a dream of a better life. Within the first generation their children's children didn't even have a rudimentary knowledge of their grandparent's native tongue. All ties to the old country were severed. Within a generation, they became Americans - US citizens with allegiances to no other lands or foreign ideologies.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case today.

    We can't just raise the portcullis and let everyone in over the moat without a high level of vetting of their backgrounds. Their are those who would like nothing better than to destroy this country - something that didn't exist when the mass migrations to the US of the 19th century occurred.


    Of course no one did. 19th century United States was not a meddling world power then. It was instead a land of vast natural wealth and variety that was run by a bunch of greedy psychotics who wanted to enslave or kill any locals who did not look just like themselves.


    So to atone for our past sins we should allow ourselves to be destroyed. Your logic (or rather lack of) escapes me.
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    Sep 20, 2015 10:15 PM GMT
    The world has an ISIS problem, but it isn't going to be solved by scapegoating entire communities (which, of course, is the oldest trick in the political playbook). The best way to combat ISIS within Western states is through a combination of good intelligence, good education and good cyber extremism counter-measures.

    Meanwhile, the ISIS recruits in the video at the top of the OP's link are now dead, courtesy of a recent RAF drone strike in Syria. That is the best way to deal with ISIS on the battlefield.
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    Sep 20, 2015 10:40 PM GMT
    so what's the difference between shooting an ISIS extremist in Syria and shooting one in Kent, UK or Chicago, IL?

    nothing
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    tj85016 saidso what's the difference between shooting an ISIS extremist in Syria and shooting one in Kent, UK or Chicago, IL?

    nothing


    Of course, provided the use of force is reasonable in the circumstances. You can, however, send armed police to arrest a terrorist suspect in Kent or Chicago, which you cannot very well do in Syria.

    But the main focus at home is on "prevention", while the main purpose on the battlefield in Syria and Iraq is "cure".
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    Sep 21, 2015 1:42 AM GMT
    I know some wonderful Somali immigrant folks who were up here in Duluth attending the Benedictine sponsored College of Saint Scholastica. You can't stigmatize a whole group based on the actions of a few.
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    Nov 23, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
    MGINSD saidMinnesotans are great people, but they can be awfully naive at times, as they were when they volunteered to be the host for this latest infestation of unassimilating immigrants. They've proven to be nothing but trouble ever since they arrived, and are markedly decreasing the quality of life in what were once two very livable and tolerant cities. You can blame the do-gooding left for this one, too, and rightly so for all its grandstanding about "compassion," without heeding its consequences.
    It is not just the two cities of Minneapolis and St Paul, it is also most of the neighboring suburbs having these exact same problems with Muslim immigrants. This is an example of being too generous and the people of Minnesota are paying the heavy price. Oh well, hard lesson being learned.