How come people make fun of feminists?

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    Sep 15, 2015 11:48 PM GMT
    A lot of feminists I've seen online seem to be genuine man haters. The extreme ones at least. A lot say really crazy things like even wanting to kill men. No matter how bad they are, to me people making smug and patronizing comments isn't helpful. I've never actually seen anyone genuinely try to reason with them. Some of them need legitimate help.
  • Apparition

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    Sep 16, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    the best thing about being gay is that you DONT have to reason with women, you can call their BS because you are not trying to get into their pants.
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    Sep 16, 2015 12:50 AM GMT
    Women LOVE men. The ones hating on us must be lesbians, just like some gays hate women too. It's just a thing, not cool but you gotta deal with it.
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    Sep 16, 2015 10:27 AM GMT
    You answered your own question in your post.
  • wellwell

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    Sep 16, 2015 1:22 PM GMT
    OP, there is no reasoning w/ psychos'.
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    Sep 16, 2015 1:28 PM GMT
    I know more people who make fun of swishy gay men. People who make fun of or hate others are often insecure dolts.
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    Sep 16, 2015 2:25 PM GMT
    "You answered your own question in your post."

    According to psychology, shaming and making fun of anyone, for any reason is negative. That doesn't mean people can't be blunt, but there's a difference between judging people and judging their attitudes or actions. If people are exhibiting crazy behavior then people not taking seriously or adding to it can make it worse. I've seen it before. It's the same way lots of people like to insult parents who aren't perfect at parenting. A lot of the time it comes across as people who just like to 'TELL' other people things and be right all the time. They aren't really interested in helping.
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    Sep 16, 2015 2:30 PM GMT
    Marmoy saidA lot of feminists I've seen online seem to be genuine man haters. The extreme ones at least. A lot say really crazy things like even wanting to kill men. No matter how bad they are, to me people making smug and patronizing comments isn't helpful. I've never actually seen anyone genuinely try to reason with them. Some of them need legitimate help.


    The type of people you describe are usually beyond help. They've dug their heels in and no amount of rationalizing with them will make a difference.
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    Sep 16, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
    Feminists had to fight for equality. Until the 70's and 80's, it was nearly inconceivable how women had been relegated to second class positions behind their men. It wasn't hostility, it was just convention. Times change but just as we gays still have to fight for equality in all matters, women are still stuck in a sea of doubt. So some get angry.

    I think girls in western societies just now leaving college are finally unburdened by these doubts but only in a thin layer of society. Working class girls still get abused by men routinely and subjugated.

    If you need proof, look at Donald Trump. Now look at his followers. That would make me a feminist. In fact, I am a feminist.
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    Sep 16, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
    The reason most men probably don't try to reason as much, is because women are the ones who desire more equality in certain areas of life, and if they rub men the wrong way when speaking about such topics, men don't really lose any of their power by ignoring their craziness. On the other hand, by ignoring women, men are forfeiting social acceptance of male vulnerability, which is screwing up the world tremendously.
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    Sep 16, 2015 4:27 PM GMT
    TO23 saidThe reason most men probably don't try to reason as much, is because women are the ones who desire more equality in certain areas of life, and if they rub men the wrong way when speaking about such topics, men don't really lose any of their power by ignoring their craziness. On the other hand, by ignoring women, men are forfeiting social acceptance of male vulnerability, which is screwing up the world tremendously.

    Yeah...going to need more..."forfeiting"?
    -it's my contention men are more feminized then ever before; it is hyper-masculine that is under attack.
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    Sep 16, 2015 4:42 PM GMT
    It's become so trivial in the US, but I do support women against religious misogyny. It's a serious issue in places like the Middle East where burning a women is ok compared to burning a religious book. Did anyone in this thread even think of those women? Many westerners are just religiously stupid and selfish. Man, woman, white, black, gay, straight etc

    Anyone who's against religion in general is on the right track imo. It instilled most of the misogyny and racism we have in this world.
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    Sep 16, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    I see hostility too these days from feminists. I have no doubt that women deserve equal right as men, I'm a gay man, I understand. But these days, what is their version of "equal"?
    It used to be, about voting rights, education rights, etc. which I fully support 100%.
    And now, if there are activists try to bring up issues in men, feminists will shut them down.

    Feel free to correct me if I got the facts wrong.

    Example: father's rights. I forgot what year where a woman from Nation Organization for Women Florida refuse to sit down with men on the same table. They were trying to extend the same equal child custody rights for fathers and made it into law. NOW Florida would not have it. So they demanded to have a another meeting, all women, no men allowed. Imagine if the gender is reversed. The media would have a storm.

    Example 2: University of Toronto 2012, a convention where people talk about male suicides. Feminists gather outside the building, harassing the people who went there, the male feminists violently blocked people from entering the building, and the other shout at the police.
    I would love to see what happen if they try to shout and scream at the cops, in United States.
    What happened next, in spring 2013, this student union consist many Canadian universities, banned any group that talks about men's rights. It's not allowed in there.
    And Toronto Pride 2014 banned this men's right group because they think they're misogynist.

    Example 3: UK has made it into law last year, that any domestic violence center who receive federal grant cannot turn away male victims. Several centers would rather close their doors completely rather than allowing men.
    While domestic violence victim are 40%-50% male, they said it's different, because men do not need it. It should only be for women.

    Example 4: Search for article "No Country for Burly Men"
    When Obama tried to revive the people who lost jobs during the economic crisis in 2009, he wanted to make some kind of stimulus plan in infrastructure and manufacture section. That's the section where it got hit the hardest, many male workers lost their jobs. More than 80% are males. knowing this, National Organization for Women and Feminist Majority were appaled. So they hold a meeting and tried to make Obama skewed that plan, and shift the money toward sector where jobs are held by majority women, namely education and health care section. Where actually were resistant during the crisis, and during the period even generated more jobs. So at the end, the stimulus went to women 42%.

    those are just some examples. Feel free to comment, disagree, or anything.
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    Sep 16, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
    Hurt people hurt people. If you spend a lot of time in a defensive position, it can become hard to see the world through any other lens.

    I wrote about this with regards to my work in LGBT ministry within my church... as you know the spheres of activism overlap a lot, and I encountered a lot of really damaged people who often brought a toxic element to the work. Finally had to bail in January for my own sanity.

    http://vergeofjordan.blogspot.com/2014/07/hurt-people-hurt-people.html
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    Sep 16, 2015 5:09 PM GMT
    Ronar2 saidI see hostility too these days from feminists. I have no doubt that women deserve equal right as men, I'm a gay man, I understand. But these days, what is their version of "equal"?
    It used to be, about voting rights, education rights, etc. which I fully support 100%.
    And now, if there are activists try to bring up issues in men, feminists will shut them down.



    It's the same with race issues. Blacks frequently do the same shit that whites did to them in the past and pretend it's okay because they once were oppressed.
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    Sep 16, 2015 5:19 PM GMT
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    Sep 16, 2015 5:49 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidFeminists had to fight for equality. Until the 70's and 80's, it was nearly inconceivable how women had been relegated to second class positions behind their men. It wasn't hostility, it was just convention. Times change but just as we gays still have to fight for equality in all matters, women are still stuck in a sea of doubt. So some get angry.

    I think girls in western societies just now leaving college are finally unburdened by these doubts but only in a thin layer of society. Working class girls still get abused by men routinely and subjugated.

    If you need proof, look at Donald Trump. Now look at his followers. That would make me a feminist. In fact, I am a feminist.

    Great post!!icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 16, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    Apparition saidthe best thing about being gay is that you DONT have to reason with women, you can call their BS because you are not trying to get into their pants.


    Such a lack of human empathy in your statement. If you were not "into men", you very likely would have the same contempt and rancor toward "gays" and "lesbians".
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    Sep 16, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
    Radd said
    Ronar2 saidI see hostility too these days from feminists. I have no doubt that women deserve equal right as men, I'm a gay man, I understand. But these days, what is their version of "equal"?
    It used to be, about voting rights, education rights, etc. which I fully support 100%.
    And now, if there are activists try to bring up issues in men, feminists will shut them down.



    It's the same with race issues. Blacks frequently do the same shit that whites did to them in the past and pretend it's okay because they once were oppressed.


    The question is WHY did whites do ANYTHING to blacks? Is because even though whites are socially on top, you are no nobler, not inherently more refined than anyone else. Like any crude, psychopathic bully, whites lash out at those who aren't able to fight back on the same level like a bunch of jackals.

    Now, YOU are complaining about violence directed at whites? Radd, you sound almost wistfully jealous as if you feel you are missing out.

    As for inequality, non-whites STILL have it, Radd. Non-whites continue to earn less for the same kinds of work...we still run into glass ceilings at work and social roadblocks when we choose where to live.

    I'd wager a white woman has more opportunity and earns more than a black man.

    So please be at ease...you still get the best of everything whether or not you actually earn any of it.

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    Sep 16, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
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    Destinharbor saidFeminists had to fight for equality. Until the 70's and 80's, it was nearly inconceivable how women had been relegated to second class positions behind their men. It wasn't hostility, it was just convention. Times change but just as we gays still have to fight for equality in all matters, women are still stuck in a sea of doubt. So some get angry.

    I think girls in western societies just now leaving college are finally unburdened by these doubts but only in a thin layer of society. Working class girls still get abused by men routinely and subjugated.

    If you need proof, look at Donald Trump. Now look at his followers. That would make me a feminist. In fact, I am a feminist.

    Great post!!icon_smile.gif

    +1
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    Sep 16, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
    Personal male/female role models are hard set in most individuates.

    I can see how this would be frustrating.
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    Sep 16, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
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    Apparition saidthe best thing about being gay is that you DONT have to reason with women, you can call their BS because you are not trying to get into their pants.


    Such a lack of human empathy in your statement. If you were not "into men", you very likely would have the same contempt and rancor toward "gays" and "lesbians".

    +1
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    Sep 16, 2015 6:44 PM GMT
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    Radd said
    Ronar2 saidI see hostility too these days from feminists. I have no doubt that women deserve equal right as men, I'm a gay man, I understand. But these days, what is their version of "equal"?
    It used to be, about voting rights, education rights, etc. which I fully support 100%.
    And now, if there are activists try to bring up issues in men, feminists will shut them down.



    It's the same with race issues. Blacks frequently do the same shit that whites did to them in the past and pretend it's okay because they once were oppressed.


    The question is WHY did whites do ANYTHING to blacks?



    Is this question directed at ME? If so, how the hell would I know? I wasn't even born during slavery. But if you could raise the dead and ask them this question, I would suggest asking the black slave owners in Africa that question before I asked the American whites. After all, whites got the idea from watching the blacks in Africa who used other blacks as slaves. In fact, when it came time for their human sacrifices, blacks almost always used their black slaves as their offerings because they considered them subhuman. Even the Bible talks in depth about slavery. You act as if white American's were the first people to ever have slaves. Of course it was wrong no matter who engaged in this, but the point is you need to stop acting like anyone alive today had anything to do with it.

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    Sep 16, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
    "Feminists" is not synonymous with "a radical feminist." Neither is a theater shooter synonymous with gun culture.

    The problem we all seem to be having is allowing ourselves to believe that the worst type of person is somehow representative of other people who share some marginal characteristic(s).

    We are not fractals. On an individual level we're anecdotes, a frothy mess of contradictions and cognitive dissonance. A community/movement/culture usually has some carefully crafted and groomed representative whose job it is to assert the rights of that community without allowing the worst people under that umbrella to fling their feces.