feedback on my voice

  • kld89

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    Sep 17, 2015 3:02 PM GMT
    Hey everyone. I know this is a weird thing to post but I didn't know where else. I've been learning to sing for a bit. Nothing serious, it's just a hobby. I wanted some feedback from someone besides my voice teacher. I think I sound ok and she tells me it's fine but then other people tell me I sound horrible so I get confused. If you have a quick 5 minutes to listen and give feedback on the voice (not the song or the style of singing) i'd appreciate it. Thanks : )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGg3VnOXeng
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    Sep 17, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
    If singing is something you want to pursue as a hobby then sing away! Sing as if no one is listening. Dance as if no one is watching. Like is too short and precious to worry about what others think about something that gives you pleasure.

    If you want to pursue it professionally, evaluating your talent is something a professional should do.

    My husband likes to sing. He will readily admit he's not good. When we were dating he would sing in the car along with the radio. Once he stopped, laughed, and apologized. I told it it was fine and that I enjoyed listening to him sing. Actually, I enjoyed more the fact that he seemed to love music so much. He had fun with it. Sometimes he'd grab my hand and pretend it was a microphone. I told him there was no need apologized and told him I loved to hear him sing to which he replied that I must really be in love with him to say that. I thought to myself, "Yes, I must."
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    Sep 17, 2015 3:32 PM GMT
    I listened to it. First, let me just say I'm terrible at singing, so my opinion probably doesn't really matter.
    But, in my opinion, It sounds like you couldn't finish the song, your breath ran out? So what's that called, breath control? It's not there yet.
    It's not terrible. Really, it's not terrible. But sorry to say, it's not good enough either. Not yet.
    So keep practicing.
    Maybe someday I will learn to sing too.
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    Sep 17, 2015 3:37 PM GMT
    Hmm well the audio quality isn't the best so that's to be taken into consideration.
    How long have you been having lessons by the way?
    By your accent and the accent of your teacher I think you're Australian and I actually know of a really good teacher in Australia but depends what state (that is if you actually are from Australia).
    I would be happy to provide you more information if you like.

    Side note you have a cute laugh lol.

    Some of the things I notice is that your diction is a little over pronounced.
    Pitch problems here and there but I feel there is potential.
    If this is the first time working on the song then of course it's understandable and too early to be making a proper judgement.

    It's hard to tell if you're reaching for the notes by raising your larynx when the song starts nearing your first bridge or if you're still developing your mixed voice section.

    There is a little bit of a hollow, dopey like kind of distortion when you sing higher but I don't know if that is because you are putting strain on your larynx to reach the note in your chest voice, or if it's a slight vowel change as part of an exercise or if it's the audio quality.

    That being said if you're new to vocal lessons then don't freak out, it's just because you've only just started.

    I'd be able to find out more if I heard you do an exercise scale but anyway overall I think there is definitely potential as long as you are getting good and SAFE training.

    I cannot stress how important it is to have safe training because there are a lot of vocal teachers out there who without fully understanding the dynamics of a voice, vocal chords, larynx etc, leave students with nodules.
    Sometimes the teachers themselves don't even realise they have nodules already.

    Don't rush either because it's like muscle memory, it takes time to strengthen technique so you must be patient.

    Anyway sorry for the long reply.
    Don't be so hard on yourself, as long as you keep up with proper training overtime you'll feel and hear the difference icon_smile.gif

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    Okay so after clicking on your profile you are from Australia lol probably should have done that first.

    Anyway unfortunately the teacher that I spoke of is in Sydney.
  • kld89

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    Sep 17, 2015 3:38 PM GMT
    It was just a short clip of me singing it. When I sang this I didn't know it completely that's why I cut off toward the end but the stuff I did know I think i did ok...not perfect but ok and I think I can get a little better.
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    Sep 17, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
    You have to remember something; instructors will always tell you you sound good because they want to keep you motivated so you'll keep coming back. After all, you're giving her money, right?

    Honest Critique:

    I think you have potential but as of right now your voice sounds labored. You also have no confidence in your voice which makes the listener feel uncomfortable.

    If that's your teacher in the background, she doesn't strike me as a serious voice coach. It sounds more like a goofing off session. Maybe you need a more stern teacher. Someone who takes her job seriously.
  • kld89

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    Sep 17, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
    DryMoan saidHmm well the audio quality isn't the best so that's to be taken into consideration.
    How long have you been having lessons by the way?
    By your accent and the accent of your teacher I think you're Australian and I actually know of a really good teacher in Australia but depends what state (that is if you actually are from Australia).
    I would be happy to provide you more information if you like.

    Side note you have a cute laugh lol.

    Some of the things I notice is that your diction is a little over pronounced.
    Pitch problems here and there but I feel there is potential.
    If this is the first time working on the song then of course it's understandable and too early to be making a proper judgement.

    It's hard to tell if you're reaching for the notes by raising your larynx when the song starts nearing your first bridge or if you're still developing your mixed voice section.

    There is a little bit of a hollow, dopey like kind of distortion when you sing higher but I don't know if that is because you are putting strain on your larynx to reach the note in your chest voice, or if it's a slight vowel change as part of an exercise or if it's the audio quality.

    That being said if you're new to vocal lessons then don't freak out, it's just because you've only just started.

    I'd be able to find out more if I heard you do an exercise scale but anyway overall I think there is definitely potential as long as you are getting good and SAFE training.

    I cannot stress how important it is to have safe training because there are a lot of vocal teachers out there who without fully understanding the dynamics of a voice, vocal chords, larynx etc, leave students with nodules.
    Sometimes the teachers themselves don't even realise they have nodules already.

    Don't rush either because it's like muscle memory, it takes time to strengthen technique so you must be patient.

    Anyway sorry for the long reply.
    Don't be so hard on yourself, as long as you keep up with proper training overtime you'll feel and hear the difference icon_smile.gif


    Thanks for your feedback. Are you a vocal coach cause you sound like one and yes I am Australian. I've been taking lessons for a year - not week after week but every know and then. I can do scales no problem and I find it easy on them to get into mix and my head voice but when it comes to songs I just don't have that same freedom and then when I get around F4 and F#4 thats when I have problems...It's almost like I run out of breath or something but the openness that I have in chest, I lose it when I get to those notes.
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    Sep 17, 2015 3:49 PM GMT
    Radd saidYou have to remember something; instructors will always tell you you sound good because they want to keep you motivated so you'll keep coming back. After all, you're giving her money, right?

    Honest Critique:

    I think you have potential but as of right now your voice sounds labored. You also have no confidence in your voice which makes the listener feel uncomfortable.

    If that's your teacher in the background, she doesn't strike me as a serious voice coach. It sounds more like a goofing off session. Maybe you need a more stern teacher. Someone who takes her job seriously.


    Also, you should delete one of your threads as you made duplicate threads.
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    Sep 17, 2015 3:50 PM GMT
    There are some pitch problems there and it didn't sound like you were singing from the diaphragm.
  • kld89

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    Sep 17, 2015 3:52 PM GMT
    Radd said
    Radd saidYou have to remember something; instructors will always tell you you sound good because they want to keep you motivated so you'll keep coming back. After all, you're giving her money, right?

    Honest Critique:

    I think you have potential but as of right now your voice sounds labored. You also have no confidence in your voice which makes the listener feel uncomfortable.

    If that's your teacher in the background, she doesn't strike me as a serious voice coach. It sounds more like a goofing off session. Maybe you need a more stern teacher. Someone who takes her job seriously.


    Also, you should delete one of your threads as you made duplicate threads.


    Sorry..that was an accident. Thanks for your feedback btw : )
  • kld89

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    Sep 17, 2015 3:53 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidThere are some pitch problems there and it didn't sound like you were singing from the diaphragm.


    Thanks...what about the tone?
  • kld89

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    Sep 17, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
    and yeah this is the first time I've worked on this song so I dont know it 100%. I'm mainly after advice on my tone? Is it pleasant, is it horrible. Obviously any other comments you raise I'd like to hear them : )
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    Sep 17, 2015 4:46 PM GMT
    kld89 said
    Thanks for your feedback. Are you a vocal coach cause you sound like one and yes I am Australian. I've been taking lessons for a year - not week after week but every know and then. I can do scales no problem and I find it easy on them to get into mix and my head voice but when it comes to songs I just don't have that same freedom and then when I get around F4 and F#4 thats when I have problems...It's almost like I run out of breath or something but the openness that I have in chest, I lose it when I get to those notes.


    No worries.
    I'm not a vocal coach myself but I have been doing vocal lessons for three years now, although I did have a two year break between my first year and the next two years due to personal reasons.

    From your reply, you sound like you are at the stage I was at the beginning where the scales and exercises were great but the application of it to a song was much more difficult.

    I can honestly tell you that over time it's become wayyy more easier for me now but still I want more improvement for myself.

    In regards to what you said about the openness of your chest, I think what's happening is you're trying to reach the notes in your chest voice but those notes may actually lie where you start transitioning from chest to mix voice.
    Again I'd need to hear you do scales to confirm this but it's just a theory.
    Often when attempting a song, people try to mimic the artist exactly like they do it which you shouldn't do because your tone and your range is unique and different to the artist.

    John Legend may sing those notes in chest voice, but don't push yourself to do the same if it doesn't feel natural for you to sing the same notes in that particular register.
    That song was one of the songs I had chosen to learn as well with my teacher and I kept trying to hit the same spots of chest voice that John Legend did in my own chest voice.

    For me, transitioning from mix to head was super easy but from chest to mix near my first bridge I found more challenging.
    Overtime it's become much easier for me to do but it was just learning to be patient.

    What you may be finding is that the power there is weaker than you'd like and that's normal at least for now.
    You're mixed voice gets stronger the more you sing in it but as long as you are training properly and safely alongside.

    Apart from that it could be a breathing problem and where to take them with your phrasing of the song, but that's a whole different discussion.

    I'd also recommend you start doing regular lessons if you want to notice a real difference.
    Doing lessons here and there without consistency will take you much longer to get your voice where you want it to be simply because it's a slower muscle memory to develop.
    Even if you just practice your scales for 10-15 minutes three to four times a week, over the course of time you'll notice a much better difference.

    I did the same thing as you in the beginning and my teacher actually told me that I should reconsider coming to regular lessons if I can't keep it up because she'd be teaching me the same things over and over again and I'd be wasting my money.

    Please don't feel like I'm trying to come across all pro because I am not at all, nor am I trying to say I'm really good.
    Believe me I'd be the first one to say my voice is shit and hate it lol.
    Just as an idea or reference, it's only been mid this year that when I do my scales and sing songs in my teacher's studio, the music stand vibrates from the resonance of my voice in some parts of my mix area.

    I've been seeing her for a total of three years, with only the last two of those years being consistent.
    It may be a different time frame for you because everyone's voice is different but I say this just to make an example of how much consistency and patience really helps in the long run.
    That and then having a really good teacher.

    Sorry for the long ass reply.
    Wish you all the best and I look forward to hearing your progress through the forum if you're happy to be sharing them.
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    Sep 17, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidIf singing is something you want to pursue as a hobby then sing away! Sing as if no one is listening. Dance as if no one is watching. Like is too short and precious to worry about what others think about something that gives you pleasure.


    This. I sing as a hobby and it is just that. My only outlay has been a half decent studio mic and a small monthly subscription to a karaoke site. For me, singing is just a way of relieving occasional stress and steadily improving my performance (a bit like some people try to improve their computer gaming score, I suppose). I would definitely consider voice lessons if I intended taking things any further, but as I don't, I think such training might detract from the "hobby" element of my singing.
  • metta

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    Sep 17, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    Have you considered joining a local choir?

    http://www.galswa.org.au/
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    Sep 17, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    you can't sing
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    Sep 17, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
    kld89 said
    James_Thunder_Early saidThere are some pitch problems there and it didn't sound like you were singing from the diaphragm.


    Thanks...what about the tone?


    It needs more resonance as opposed to being to nasal.
  • Webster666

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    Sep 18, 2015 4:39 AM GMT
    Your voice coach is lying to you.
    The tone of your voice is very nice, but you are straining to hit the notes, and quite often missing.

    I don't mean to insult you.
    I'm simply offering a little honest criticism.
    The voice coach is giving you false hopes.
    If you're paying her, she's stealing your money.

    You should sing for yourself, any time you feel like it.