Anger in the Black Community

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    Sep 17, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
    could someone please help me understand this?

    This is an honest question I'm really trying to grapple with.

    What is is with so much hostility in the African American community? Specially those in urban areas.

    I experience so much unsolicited hostility and rudeness whenever I'm in an area with many blacks.

    Case in point, after the gym today I decided to take a stroll into my local Subway for lunch. There were two black women employees inside the empty store texting on their cell phones.


    I was unsure what to order so I didn't really mind that it took a minute for them to acknowledge me. When one woman finally did come take my order she didn't say hello or how are you or anything. She just put on her gloves and blankly stared at me. I awkwardly said "hello" and she sighed and said "hello" back.

    I asked for the BBQ sandwich and was ready to pay when I noticed that my sandwich didn't have BBQ sauce on it. I asked for her to put BBQ sauce on and she said "well you didn't ask for BBQ sauce" I said that I thought it was assumed when I originally asked for the BBQ sandwich. She then said, " well you should have read the sign"


    BTW the sign said nothing of having to order anything additional. At that point I was already annoyed so I called her miserable and left the store.

    Was I in the wrong here?


    This is a common occurrence I see in many blacks I have ran across to across the country. No matter what city I'm in or what type of establishment I'm in. If people like fuzzypecs and Spazzy are any inclination, it's seems like it's almost cultural to be very aggressive and angry all the time....am I wrong???
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    Sep 17, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI hate to admit it but I am very well aware of this too.

    Although I will say it's either a "love or hate relationship. Either I find black people to be incredibly warm and soulful or they're so damn angry and bitter and live life with a chip on their shoulders.

    I don't think you were in the wrong at all. That woman obviously forgot she works in a service based industry and should have left her attitude at home. I probably would have called her worse and then walked away. I am not going to give my money to people who can't treat me with some dignity. Not to mention, I can't imagine ingesting food prepared by two miserable angry people. I won't have that.



    I was opting to call her "ghetto" but am trying to be right with God so decided "miserable" would suffice for now....
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    Sep 17, 2015 7:50 PM GMT
    The question I have is, is it cultural or genetic?

    Lately I've been thinking that a lot of how we think and behave is hard wired in our brains by our genes.

    Of course that's a very politically incorrect viewpoint. For example, women like to think that all of the differences between men and women in how we think are due to our environment and upbringing.

    I don't understand how people can accept that our genes have such a significant effect on our appearance and our health (being prone to heart attacks, cancer, etc.) but the brain is off limits with respect to genetics.
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    Sep 17, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
    Oh, so you don't know about this yet: there's a whole network of black people.

    They text each other.

    So they had advanced warning about you.

    Next time you go to lunch, turn your grindr off first.
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    Sep 17, 2015 7:59 PM GMT
    theantijock saidOh, so you don't know about this yet: there's a whole network of black people.

    They text each other.

    So they had advanced warning about you.

    Next time you go to lunch, turn your grindr off first.


    You're an idiot.

    If you are trying to infer that I was on Grindr or anything like that then go elsewhere.


    If you don't have any legitimate opinions besides trolling then go fuck yourself....
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    Sep 17, 2015 8:10 PM GMT
    Chulo said
    theantijock saidOh, so you don't know about this yet: there's a whole network of black people.

    They text each other.

    So they had advanced warning about you.

    Next time you go to lunch, turn your grindr off first.


    You're an idiot.

    If you are trying to infer that I was on Grindr or anything like that then go elsewhere.


    If you don't have any legitimate opinions besides trolling then go fuck yourself....


    You're brilliant.

    My comment was all about the grinder.

    Just brilliant.
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    Sep 17, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    The "Ignore His Posts" link has been fixed and now does work for people who've hidden themselves.
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    Sep 17, 2015 9:17 PM GMT
    metta saidWhat does this have to do with being black? You want to see anger...look at the nasty comments on twitter about Doritos helping the It Gets Better Campaign. All of the nasty comments I saw were from angry white people.

    Some people are just angry and bitter. It does not matter what color their skin is.
    Yeah look at the Tea Party, they are a bunch of aging, angry, white folks born before 1956.
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    Sep 17, 2015 9:18 PM GMT
    I've encountered some really nice and sweet black people in businesses, but I have to admit, it seems like the majority of the time they have a ridiculous amount of attitude. So much so that I actually go out of my way to be extra nice to black people in stores so that I might actually get something close to average service. When I ask them how they're doing, I normally get an icy glare in return.

    Last night I was leaving a bar and this black man started staring at me on the sidewalk for absolutely no reason. As I walked down the sidewalk into a particularly dark area, I heard him say "fuck you you tall white muthafucker." I immediately turned around and walked towards him and got in his face. I said "you talking to me?" He was caught off guard and shocked as hell. I guess he's not used to white people confronting him....just taking his abuse like cowards. He walked into the street to get away from me and kept walking. Later on, as I was walking back to the same bar, the same guy was verbally assaulting a small white guy and his much taller girlfriend. Just as I was about to step in, the little guy surprisingly got in his face and threatened to kick his ass, which was refreshing to see a white person stand up for himself, especially considering his size.

    About a month ago, my doctor told me to come in for an injection. She told me to get there between 8am - 12pm. I arrived at 11:48. Her staff is all black females and they all have attitude except one who just doesn't say anything at all. A black nurse passed me several times in the waiting room and gave me a cold stare each time. At 12:05 she finally called me into the lab room. As she was about to give me the injection she scolded me and told me not to ever arrive at two minutes till noon because that's when she takes her lunch. When I argued that I got there 12 minutes before noon, she jabbed me with the needle harder than normal. I've never had a shot hurt that much before. The way she jabbed that needle in my arm was an act of violence. I immediately had all my paperwork faxed to a new doctor because I'm sick of the lazy staff at this physicians office.

    But like I said, occasionally I do encounter blacks people in businesses that are extremely sweet, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.

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    Sep 17, 2015 9:24 PM GMT
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    metta saidWhat does this have to do with being black? You want to see anger...look at the nasty comments on twitter about Doritos helping the It Gets Better Campaign. All of the nasty comments I saw were from angry white people.

    Some people are just angry and bitter. It does not matter what color their skin is.
    Yeah look at the Tea Party, they are a bunch of aging, angry, white folks born before 1956.

    +1
    Plenty of examples right here in this thread, apparently.icon_confused.gif
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    Sep 17, 2015 9:45 PM GMT
    Not everyone is super nice and it has nothing to do with race. And sometimes employees give as good as the customer gives. I'm just saying.
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    Sep 17, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidNot everyone is super nice and it has nothing to do with race. And sometimes employees give as good as the customer gives. I'm just saying.


    It's not an employee's job to give as good as they get. It's their job to be pleasant and courteous to the customer. If they can't do that, then they need to find some place else to work.
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    Sep 17, 2015 10:07 PM GMT
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    James_Thunder_Early saidNot everyone is super nice and it has nothing to do with race. And sometimes employees give as good as the customer gives. I'm just saying.


    It's not an employee's job to give as good as they get. It's their job to be pleasant and courteous to the customer. If they can't do that, then they need to find some place else to work.


    I didn't say that was their job, but the reality of it is not everyone is super nice every single place and if a customer has an attitude some employees will have an attitude right back at them. That is the real world.
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    Sep 17, 2015 10:13 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    metta saidWhat does this have to do with being black? You want to see anger...look at the nasty comments on twitter about Doritos helping the It Gets Better Campaign. All of the nasty comments I saw were from angry white people.

    Some people are just angry and bitter. It does not matter what color their skin is.
    Yeah look at the Tea Party, they are a bunch of aging, angry, white folks born before 1956.

    +1
    Plenty of examples right here in this thread, apparently.icon_confused.gif


    Being angry in an online forum is much different than real life.

    I could care less if you call me every name in the book on Real Jock. It's a different story when dealing with an employee in your face.

    Why is that hard for you to comprehend?
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    Sep 17, 2015 10:19 PM GMT
    Just this past weekend I asked a black guy who was waiting on the same streetcar a simple question about the fare. He knew I was talking to him because he said, "I didn't hear a word you said." And promptly turned around and ignored me. A more pleasant person would have asked me to repeat myself. He couldn't be bothered. Luckily, in the city of New Orleans he's the exception not the rule.

    However, the way blacks treat each other is horrible. My general impression of black people is there is an undercurrent of anger - from the black moms yelling and cursing at their kids in Walmart to the blacks passing on the street yelling and cursing on their cell phones. I can't tell you how many times I've heard black women call their children stupid motherfuckers. To talk that way to children! I think to myself that it's no wonder they grow up angry. I'd like to think its a socio-economic thing because anyone is capable of that behavior regardless of their color. I just happen to live in a predominately poor black urban area so I see more blacks exhibiting this sort of behavior.

    As far as your treatment in the sandwich shop, I'm sorry to say I've experienced the same attitude from counter help also. It's as if they really have no social skills or know how to treat a customer.

    I remember once shopping at a nationally recognized dept store and witnessing a cashier rudely correct a customers pronunciation of a word. I was flummoxed! No concept of how to treat a customer.

    Also, if this type of behavior wasn't so common you wouldn't see it parodied by comedians and SNL and MadTV skits. Bon Qui Qui at King Burger readily comes to mind.
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    Sep 17, 2015 10:23 PM GMT
    It's really fascinating to hear everybody's stories regarding black customer service.

    Im glad I'm not alone. Keep them coming!!!
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    Sep 17, 2015 10:45 PM GMT
    Bon Qui Qui! CLASSIC!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkdcYlOn5M
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    Sep 17, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    metta saidWhat does this have to do with being black? You want to see anger...look at the nasty comments on twitter about Doritos helping the It Gets Better Campaign. All of the nasty comments I saw were from angry white people.

    Some people are just angry and bitter. It does not matter what color their skin is.


    I thought that too on reading the OP, reflecting upon when was the last time a black guy on this forum was overtly nasty to me: oh, that would be never. Yet I couldn't measure how much hate I've directly encountered from the nonblack variety here.

    So besides that whites can get red in the face themselves (apologies to NA among us), with so much media in everyone's face these days, it just might be that some black people in whitey's world might be a bit on edge. Shocking, I know, but black Americans make up just 13% of population nationwide and 19% in Miami-Dade & just 4.4% of Miami Beach. Now I've spent a lot of time in the islands so I know what it is to be one of the very few white people nearby. But black people find themselves in that situation a lot. And if anyone doesn't think being outnumbered might not affect how much you'd be on the defense (or offense for that matter), just try being gay and see how you like it. Red alert! White alert! Black alert! Shields up!

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    Not to suggest that anyone needs to cower, to submit but we can be a little sensitive to how interactions between races might play out by what forces might be perceived, real or imagined.

    And I'll add here, because I think it is absolutely fucking appropriate to say--and really I don't give a flying fuck if anyone thinks I'm an idiot for saying so--that for someone who is so nasty towards black people, it wouldn't hurt your thinking to bend over backwards for a change, even if the counter help was having a bad day.
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    Sep 17, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
    ^ The counter help didn't seem to be having such a bad day while they were texting on their phones. It seems their day turned to shit when they were forced to actually do their job.
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    Sep 17, 2015 11:33 PM GMT
    When I was working in a department store, there was a white customer trying to get assistance from a white employee who felt it was more important to chat with some of his friends that had come into the store. He ignored that customer and she had to come for me for help, the black employee.

    There was an incident where woman who fell on the escalator and I was the only employee to call 911.

    Having worked in department stores in a mostly white area, I have seen several examples of white employees being rude to customers or ignoring them. It's not about race, believe me.
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    Sep 17, 2015 11:37 PM GMT
    I have noticed this too but have no idea why? If you have any good African-American friends I would ask them.
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    Sep 17, 2015 11:45 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidWhen I was working in a department store, there was a white customer trying to get assistance from a white employee who felt it was more important to chat with some of his friends that had come into the store. He ignored that customer and she had to come for me for help, the black employee.

    There was an incident where woman who fell on the escalator and I was the only employee to call 911.

    Having worked in department stores in a mostly white area, I have seen several examples of white employees being rude to customers or ignoring them. It's not about race, believe me.


    Rude and unhelpful employees are not exclusive to just black people. They are everywhere in all colors, shapes and sexes. It is never acceptable to be rude to customers unless they become abusive. If you want to keep your business going, you need happy customers and If my employees can't make them happy, they are no longer employees of my company.
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    Sep 17, 2015 11:47 PM GMT
    well sometime it feel as if black poeple are just waiting for white men to say something bad to them just to say " you'r just racist cause i'm black . as if their collor permit them to do what ever they want .
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    Sep 17, 2015 11:56 PM GMT
    flguy57 said
    James_Thunder_Early saidWhen I was working in a department store, there was a white customer trying to get assistance from a white employee who felt it was more important to chat with some of his friends that had come into the store. He ignored that customer and she had to come for me for help, the black employee.

    There was an incident where woman who fell on the escalator and I was the only employee to call 911.

    Having worked in department stores in a mostly white area, I have seen several examples of white employees being rude to customers or ignoring them. It's not about race, believe me.


    Rude and unhelpful employees are not exclusive to just black people. They are everywhere in all colors, shapes and sexes. It is never acceptable to be rude to customers unless they become abusive. If you want to keep your business going, you need happy customers and If my employees can't make them happy, they are no longer employees of my company.


    It is NEVER acceptable to be rude to customers EVEN IF they become abusive. I don't know of any business that would tolerate an employee being rude to a customer no matter what the circumstances. If a customer is being unreasonable all the employee needs to do is say "I'll get the manager for you." It's the manager's responsibility to handle difficult/abusive customers.
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    Sep 18, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    It has nothing to do with their skin color, and everything to do with having to work at Subway. I'd be pissed all the time too if I had to work there and deal with all the misfits and shenanigans that come in there.