StephenOABC saidBart Ehrman
Your apocalyptic prophet did not claim to be the Son of Man?
No indeed! I talk about this at length in a number of my books.
The one clash there is about the debate of whether or not Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man appears in the Gospel of John. It is the recording of Jesus asking the blind man he healed of blindness, Do you believe in the Son of Man ... the one who is speaking with you is he. In the Bass-Ehrman debate, Ehrman discredits the historicity of some of the self-identity statements of Jesus in the gospel of John on the grounds that these statements were not used by Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels. "The one who is speaking with you is the Son of Man" is probably a statement not spoken by the historical Jesus.
This draws a distinction between the Son of Man and the international messiah of Zechariah. An international messiah would rank higher than a king. If King David or King Solomon or both were sons of god, the international messiah would be a son of god.
Is there a question of whether or not Jesus saw himself as the international messiah of Zechariah?
I’m not sure what you mean by international messiah or what texts in Zechariah you’re referring to.Steefen
The international Messiah-King of Zechariah 8: 20-23 and 9: 9-10.
20 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, 21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going.’ 22 And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”
23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”
Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion!
Shout, Daughter Jerusalem!
See, your king comes to you,
righteous and victorious,
lowly and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
I will take away the chariots from Ephraim
and the warhorses from Jerusalem,
and the battle bow will be broken.
He will proclaim peace to the nations.
His rule will extend from sea to sea
and from the River to the ends of the earth.
These verses could relate to hopes before the mission of Jesus, but the Kingdom of God/Heaven/Righteousness likely under the reign of the Son of Man was picked up in Jesus’ preaching.