Clock making teen transferred to another school

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    Sep 18, 2015 4:55 AM GMT
    The week began terribly for the clock making teen Ahmed Mohammed, he thought he had made a great school project. Now his clock has gone viral on Facebook. He is now transferring to a new school as he cannot face the humiliation at his previous school. Mark Zuckerberg invited him to Facebook Headquarters to honour him, saying he should be applauded for making something out of his own initiative.
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    Sep 18, 2015 1:40 PM GMT
    yes Ahmed Mohammed likely to have too much idle time, better spent on face book or in front of a tv
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 18, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
    That's sweet of Zuckerberg. I hope this whole outrageous episode doesn't discourage young Ahmed. He may have a bright future ahead of him.
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    Sep 18, 2015 4:22 PM GMT
    In this day and age this kid should have known better than to have tried something like this. It was just stupid. Why were his parents not supervising him? icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 18, 2015 5:47 PM GMT
    kscott6671 saidIn this day and age this kid should have known better than to have tried something like this. It was just stupid. Why were his parents not supervising him? icon_eek.gif


    How was it stupid to be creatively useful? Perhaps his parents were thinking with satisfaction of the mental industry of their child...how he was DOING SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE with his time rather than droning out on a smartphone like his peers.
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    kscott6671 saidIn this day and age this kid should have known better than to have tried something like this. It was just stupid. Why were his parents not supervising him? icon_eek.gif

    This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read.icon_confused.gif
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    kscott6671 saidIn this day and age this kid should have known better than to have tried something like this. It was just stupid. Why were his parents not supervising him? icon_eek.gif
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    Oh no stop it! You know damned good and well the little genius had no clue of the all the terror bombings, school shootings, and PR problems Muslims have because he's been so busy shopping at Radio Shack and creating something that's already been invented centuries before. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Sep 18, 2015 7:12 PM GMT
    Damn there are some stupid people here. Now, it's always a good idea for schools to be cautious, but arresting him was completely ridiculous. He didn't build a bomb and he shouldn't have been accused of such after the school had determined that the clock was not a bomb.

    It's these angry people like Dylann Roof that are the problem, not kids making clocks. Ruby Ridge, Columbine, Aurora, Charleston, etc. are demonstrative of where a lot of danger lies....
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    James_Thunder_Early saidDamn there are some stupid people here. Now, it's always a good idea for schools to be cautious, but arresting him was completely ridiculous. He didn't build a bomb and he shouldn't have been accused of such after the school had determined that the clock was not a bomb.

    It's these angry people like Dylann Roof that are the problem, not kids making clocks. Ruby Ridge, Columbine, Aurora, Charleston, etc. are demonstrative of where a lot of danger lies....


    He was a new kid at a new school. How was the teacher to know he wasn't an angry person?

    Would you know a bomb if you saw one? What if the teacher just said, "oh, that's cool Ahmed. Now take your seat." Then seconds later an explosion and half the class is dead and the other half live to tell the story of how the teacher completely ignored the threat. All you clowns would be singing a different tune - blaming the teacher and school authorities for not being more vigilant.

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    Sep 18, 2015 11:41 PM GMT
    You can look at the thing and tell it's not a bomb. Good grief.
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    Sep 18, 2015 11:49 PM GMT
    I am glad that this ended well for this kid. It's very sad. I do think that context matters some here so if you wonder how this could happen in the US in 2015...

    1. It was Texas... (I'll just leave it at that especially since I live here)
    2. When people think of a "bomb" they imagine: a cluster of mangled wires, a countdown display, in a briefcase/bag. When people think of "a hand made clock" they imagine of a bunch of metal gears and wheels, and definitely something circular.

    Well here is the CNN article with a pic of the clock. Scroll halfway down the page and you will see that the clock was in a briefcase and well... http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb/

    Not saying that the arrest was warranted or not. It's sad. But I can see the concern and I would want the bomb squad to check it out.


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    UndercoverMan said
    James_Thunder_Early saidDamn there are some stupid people here. Now, it's always a good idea for schools to be cautious, but arresting him was completely ridiculous. He didn't build a bomb and he shouldn't have been accused of such after the school had determined that the clock was not a bomb.

    It's these angry people like Dylann Roof that are the problem, not kids making clocks. Ruby Ridge, Columbine, Aurora, Charleston, etc. are demonstrative of where a lot of danger lies....


    He was a new kid at a new school. How was the teacher to know he wasn't an angry person?

    Would you know a bomb if you saw one? What if the teacher just said, "oh, that's cool Ahmed. Now take your seat." Then seconds later an explosion and half the class is dead and the other half live to tell the story of how the teacher completely ignored the threat. All you clowns would be singing a different tune - blaming the teacher and school authorities for not being more vigilant.




    The problem is, it wasn't a bomb and there was no explosion, so arresting him served no purpose. He committed no crime here. As I said, caution is one thing, but arresting someone without probable cause is wrong. The police determined that it wasn't a bomb, so he's not a criminal.
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    Sep 19, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    The cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?
  • musclmed

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    Sep 19, 2015 2:46 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?


    The truth of the matter is the father is an activist related to CAIR. His father also travels to Sudan to run for president every election. How many average kids have had there dad appear in international newspapers?

    The assumption here is that he drew scrutiny because of his ethnicity.

    Apparently the police claim he was not to forthcoming on what the device was. But sung like a bird to the media.

    The way the device looks it would draw attention no matter what.

    He showed it to his engineering teacher and his teach told him not to carry it around and warned him it would draw negative attention.

    The truth is students are suspended for far less.

    Ahmed said at the press conference "he built a clock to impress his teacher" Then he said "She thought it was a threat to her".

    The teacher in question was an English teacher and the suitcase started ALARMING interrupting class. His story is contradictory. Because the Engineering teacher was a male and he showed it to him earlier that day. That teacher told him to put it away because and pointed out the negative appearance of it and how it could send the wrong impression.

    Then to the police, he would only say "it was a clock" . Not any more detail.

    Lets wait a week, until the other shoe drops. Remember
    KissTheSky saidThe cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?


    The truth of the matter is the father is an activist related to CAIR. His father also travels to Sudan to run for president ever election. How many average kids have had there dad appear in international newspapers?

    The assumption here is that he drew scrutiny because of his ethnicity.

    Apparently the police claim he was not to forthcoming on what the device was. But the complete opposite to the media.

    The way the device looks it would draw attention no matter what.

    He showed it to his engineering teacher and his teach told him not to carry it around and warned him it would draw negative attention.

    The assumption its "texas"... Just fill in the blanks right. Multiple witnessed said he kept repeating "its a clock". He wasnt forthecoming with the who what when and why.


    Ahmed said at the press conference "he built a clock to impress his teacher" Then he said "She thought it was a threat to her".

    The teacher in question was an English teacher and the suitcase started ALARMING interrupting class. His story is contradictory. Because the Engineering teacher was a male and he showed it to him earlier that day. That teacher told him to put it away because and pointed out the negative appearance of it and how it could send the wrong impression.





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    Officers said Ahmed was being “passive aggressive” in his answers to their questions, and didn’t have a “reasonable answer” as to what he was doing with the case. Investigators said the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with. “We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn’t offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school,” said James McLellan, Irving Police.

    Here’s the statute Ahmed Mohammed authorities originally suspected Mohammed of violating (Texas Penal Code Section 46.0icon_cool.gif:

    (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:

    (1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or

    (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.

    (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor


    ction is a Class A misdemeanor

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    James_Thunder_Early said
    UndercoverMan said
    James_Thunder_Early saidDamn there are some stupid people here. Now, it's always a good idea for schools to be cautious, but arresting him was completely ridiculous. He didn't build a bomb and he shouldn't have been accused of such after the school had determined that the clock was not a bomb.

    It's these angry people like Dylann Roof that are the problem, not kids making clocks. Ruby Ridge, Columbine, Aurora, Charleston, etc. are demonstrative of where a lot of danger lies....


    He was a new kid at a new school. How was the teacher to know he wasn't an angry person?

    Would you know a bomb if you saw one? What if the teacher just said, "oh, that's cool Ahmed. Now take your seat." Then seconds later an explosion and half the class is dead and the other half live to tell the story of how the teacher completely ignored the threat. All you clowns would be singing a different tune - blaming the teacher and school authorities for not being more vigilant.




    The problem is, it wasn't a bomb and there was no explosion, so arresting him served no purpose. He committed no crime here. As I said, caution is one thing, but arresting someone with probable cause is wrong. The police determined that it wasn't a bomb, so he's not a criminal.


    "Arresting someone with probable cause is wrong." WTF?! Proof reading is our friend.

    Also, read Woodfordr's response above to why he was arrested. And musclmed's response. Both are good insights.



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    Sep 19, 2015 3:29 AM GMT
    waccamatt saidYou can look at the thing and tell it's not a bomb. Good grief.

    I saw an article that asked these questions, if the police thought it was an explosive device:

    1. Why wasn't the school evacuated.
    2. Why wasn't a bomb disposal unit called in.
    3. Why was the student left alone with the device on at least one occasion.
    4. Why was the "device" transported on public roads in an ordinary police cruiser along with the student, instead of being isolated in a protective armored bomb truck.

    These and other questions suggest either that the police knew from the beginning this was not an explosive device, or else that they were incompetent to an unbelievable degree, and endangering students and the public by their unsafe handling of a potential explosive.
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    Sep 19, 2015 3:59 AM GMT
    just the same as why a fake gun is just as bad as a real one in school.

    The sort of briefcase he had btw is expensive. This was a clever media ploy.

    The guys father is a CAIR activist.
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    waccamatt saidYou can look at the thing and tell it's not a bomb. Good grief.

    I saw an article that asked these questions, if the police thought it was an explosive device:

    1. Why wasn't the school evacuated.
    2. Why wasn't a bomb disposal unit called in.
    3. Why was the student left alone with the device on at least one occasion.
    4. Why was the "device" transported on public roads in an ordinary police cruiser along with the student, instead of being isolated in a protective armored bomb truck.

    These and other questions suggest either that the police knew from the beginning this was not an explosive device, or else that they were incompetent to an unbelievable degree, and endangering students and the public by their unsafe handling of a potential explosive.


    Those are really good questions. It seems like there would have been more precautions if there was suspicion of a threat.
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    Sep 19, 2015 7:20 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidThe cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?


    I agree, except that staying there might have been constructive. His very presence would have been a constant reminder to the teacher and other school employees of their stupidity. It might have caused them to respect him knowing that if they didn't they would face consequences.

    Of course his and / or his parents' decision to transfer to another school should be respected.
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    Sep 19, 2015 7:22 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    KissTheSky saidThe cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?


    The truth of the matter is the father is an activist related to CAIR. His father also travels to Sudan to run for president every election. How many average kids have had there dad appear in international newspapers?

    The assumption here is that he drew scrutiny because of his ethnicity.

    Apparently the police claim he was not to forthcoming on what the device was. But sung like a bird to the media.

    The way the device looks it would draw attention no matter what.

    He showed it to his engineering teacher and his teach told him not to carry it around and warned him it would draw negative attention.

    The truth is students are suspended for far less.

    Ahmed said at the press conference "he built a clock to impress his teacher" Then he said "She thought it was a threat to her".

    The teacher in question was an English teacher and the suitcase started ALARMING interrupting class. His story is contradictory. Because the Engineering teacher was a male and he showed it to him earlier that day. That teacher told him to put it away because and pointed out the negative appearance of it and how it could send the wrong impression.

    Then to the police, he would only say "it was a clock" . Not any more detail.

    Lets wait a week, until the other shoe drops. Remember
    KissTheSky saidThe cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?


    The truth of the matter is the father is an activist related to CAIR. His father also travels to Sudan to run for president ever election. How many average kids have had there dad appear in international newspapers?

    The assumption here is that he drew scrutiny because of his ethnicity.

    Apparently the police claim he was not to forthcoming on what the device was. But the complete opposite to the media.

    The way the device looks it would draw attention no matter what.

    He showed it to his engineering teacher and his teach told him not to carry it around and warned him it would draw negative attention.

    The assumption its "texas"... Just fill in the blanks right. Multiple witnessed said he kept repeating "its a clock". He wasnt forthecoming with the who what when and why.


    Ahmed said at the press conference "he built a clock to impress his teacher" Then he said "She thought it was a threat to her".

    The teacher in question was an English teacher and the suitcase started ALARMING interrupting class. His story is contradictory. Because the Engineering teacher was a male and he showed it to him earlier that day. That teacher told him to put it away because and pointed out the negative appearance of it and how it could send the wrong impression.





    Katie Vyktoria was lauded for her pink anti gay walmart story until it was a hoax.


    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Officers said Ahmed was being “passive aggressive” in his answers to their questions, and didn’t have a “reasonable answer” as to what he was doing with the case. Investigators said the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with. “We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn’t offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school,” said James McLellan, Irving Police.

    Here’s the statute Ahmed Mohammed authorities originally suspected Mohammed of violating (Texas Penal Code Section 46.0icon_cool.gif:

    (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:

    (1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or

    (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.

    (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor


    ction is a Class A misdemeanor



    Exactly what more detail could he have provided? Was he suppose to explain what a clock is for? I supposed that he could have said something like, "It's a clock to tell time, i.e., to indicate the time of day.". But one would suppose that the police, teacher, etc., would know what a clock is for.
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    Sep 19, 2015 7:27 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    waccamatt saidYou can look at the thing and tell it's not a bomb. Good grief.

    I saw an article that asked these questions, if the police thought it was an explosive device:

    1. Why wasn't the school evacuated.
    2. Why wasn't a bomb disposal unit called in.
    3. Why was the student left alone with the device on at least one occasion.
    4. Why was the "device" transported on public roads in an ordinary police cruiser along with the student, instead of being isolated in a protective armored bomb truck.

    These and other questions suggest either that the police knew from the beginning this was not an explosive device, or else that they were incompetent to an unbelievable degree, and endangering students and the public by their unsafe handling of a potential explosive.


    ^^^ this ^^^

    As others have pointed out in comments following news articles.
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    Sep 19, 2015 1:49 PM GMT
    It wouldn't be the first time law enforcement fucked up. It won't be the last.
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    Sep 19, 2015 5:09 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    musclmed said
    KissTheSky saidThe cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?





    Exactly what more detail could he have provided? Was he suppose to explain what a clock is for? I supposed that he could have said something like, "It's a clock to tell time, i.e., to indicate the time of day.". But one would suppose that the police, teacher, etc., would know what a clock is for.


    The father is a known activitist and public figure.

    Anyone with any honest judgement would know , Digital clock that makes noise with wires+ metal briefcase appears to be a bomb.
    He was told to put the device away and warned about its appearance. Then in the press conference he states he "Made the clock for his teacher. And she was scared of it".

    The female teacher was an english teacher. Not his science or engineering teacher.

    Children have been suspended and admonished for far less. The police say he echoed the same statement"its a clock", to all the questions. As if rehearsed.

    The clock is actually a radio shack model with old boards from the 80's.
    He didnt make any 1 part in that clock. Its just mounted in a metal box.

    Non of the boards used are boards used in anything in the last 20 years.


    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/hoax-exposed-muslim-student-ahmed-mohameds-briefcase-clock-is-1970s-digital-alarm-clock/

    Two investigators who have studied the image of Mohamed’s device provided by Irving, Texas police have concluded that Mohamed did not make the clock. Both conclude that Mohamed disassembled a manufactured clock and installed it in a large pencil box without its casing. And both say it is possible it was done to provoke suspicion or to resemble a bomb.

    Update: Clock has been identified as being sold in a 1986 Radio Shack catalogue by an Art Voice reader. The headline and text for this article has been changed to reflect the update.


    http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

    Lets see if he is at the white house now?

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    Sep 19, 2015 7:48 PM GMT
    always easy to damage up the lives children. That is what educators and law enforcement are paid to do.
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    Sep 19, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    FRE0 said
    musclmed said
    KissTheSky saidThe cops knew it wasn't a bomb, which is why they didn't evacuate the school or call the bomb squad. Texas rednecks saw an opportunity to traumatize a brown-skinned Muslim and they pounced on it.
    The old school never revoked his suspension or even apologized. Why would he want to stay there?





    Exactly what more detail could he have provided? Was he suppose to explain what a clock is for? I supposed that he could have said something like, "It's a clock to tell time, i.e., to indicate the time of day.". But one would suppose that the police, teacher, etc., would know what a clock is for.


    The father is a known activitist and public figure.

    Anyone with any honest judgement would know , Digital clock that makes noise with wires+ metal briefcase appears to be a bomb.
    He was told to put the device away and warned about its appearance. Then in the press conference he states he "Made the clock for his teacher. And she was scared of it".

    The female teacher was an english teacher. Not his science or engineering teacher.

    Children have been suspended and admonished for far less. The police say he echoed the same statement"its a clock", to all the questions. As if rehearsed.

    The clock is actually a radio shack model with old boards from the 80's.
    He didnt make any 1 part in that clock. Its just mounted in a metal box.

    Non of the boards used are boards used in anything in the last 20 years.


    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/hoax-exposed-muslim-student-ahmed-mohameds-briefcase-clock-is-1970s-digital-alarm-clock/

    Two investigators who have studied the image of Mohamed’s device provided by Irving, Texas police have concluded that Mohamed did not make the clock. Both conclude that Mohamed disassembled a manufactured clock and installed it in a large pencil box without its casing. And both say it is possible it was done to provoke suspicion or to resemble a bomb.

    Update: Clock has been identified as being sold in a 1986 Radio Shack catalogue by an Art Voice reader. The headline and text for this article has been changed to reflect the update.


    http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

    Lets see if he is at the white house now?



    That is emblematic of another problem, i.e., such a narrow education that one knows nothing about any subject not directly associated with one's major. Thus, an English teacher or someone who has majored in art, economics, or music should not be expected to know anything about science. Similarly someone who has majored in physics should not be expected to know anything about history.