Vatican Bristles at Obama's Guest List for Papal Reception

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    Sep 18, 2015 3:34 PM GMT
    Here's my metta contribution for the day; have at it!

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/vatican-disputes-white-house-guest-list-for-papal-visit-1442533549?mod=trending_now_1
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 18, 2015 3:40 PM GMT
    The Vatican is so petty, trying to control who gets invited to white house, as though the pope can't brush shoulders with those they sit in judgment of. To hell with that bigoted cult.icon_evil.gif
  • tj85016

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    Sep 18, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
    well since it's the Pope, they should invite a few dozen VooDoo Priests also
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    Sep 18, 2015 6:48 PM GMT
    LOL I know at least one person mentioned in this article personally.
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    Sep 18, 2015 6:48 PM GMT
    It's in pretty poor taste to host a reception for someone and invite people the guest of honor may not be comfortable being around. It's a slap in the face and for the US government to use the opportunity to make a point and is in poor taste.

    I can see it now. The press gets a pic of the pope shaking hands with some dissident nun and the headlines the next day reads: "Vatican Softens It's Position on Female Priests" or some other "cause célèbre" espoused by the dissident.

    Although, I highly suspect the pope doesn't have an issue with the guest list personally. In all probability it's his handlers that do.
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    Sep 18, 2015 6:58 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidIt's in pretty poor taste to host a reception for someone and invite people the guest of honor may not be comfortable being around. It's a slap in the face and for the US government to use the opportunity to make a point is in poor taste.

    I can see it now. The press gets a pic of the pope shaking hands with some dissident nun and the headlines the next day reads: "Vatican Softens It's Position on Female Priests" or some other "cause célèbre" espoused by the dissident.

    Although, I highly suspect the pope doesn't have an issue with the guest list personally. In all probability it's his handlers that do.


    That is pretty much exactly what the Vatican said. They don't want anybody leaping to conclusions based on who is there. Of course, there will be 15,000 people attending, so it seems like this could be a minimal risk.

    I don't know how the person I know got herself invited. She's a veteran, but is not nor was ever Catholic, and has no notable title in faith or politics.
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    Sep 18, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
    Imagine if they were inviting Elie Wiesel as the guest of honor and on the guest list was a known Neo-Nazi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel
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    Sep 18, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidImagine if they were inviting Elie Wiesel as the guest of honor and on the guest list was a known Neo-Nazi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel


    EXACTLY.
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    Sep 18, 2015 7:33 PM GMT
    all the guests should get birth control in their little goody bags

    screw the iWatch and Cartier earrings, give em all rubbers and the morning after pill
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    Sep 18, 2015 7:35 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidImagine if they were inviting Elie Wiesel as the guest of honor and on the guest list was a known Neo-Nazi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel

    Right. Because transgendered people have persecuted Catholics.

    I think it would be more offensive to invite a Catholic neo nazi to a transgendered event.
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    Sep 18, 2015 7:41 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidall the guests should get birth control in their little goody bags

    screw the iWatch and Cartier earrings, give em all rubbers and the morning after pill

    THAT was funny! Thank you.
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    Sep 18, 2015 7:44 PM GMT
    I don't think people who disagree with the Vatican on political issues should be left off the guest list unless they are actually anti-catholic.
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    Sep 18, 2015 8:25 PM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidI don't think people who disagree with the Vatican on political issues should be left off the guest list unless they are actually anti-catholic.

    But that's just it. We live in a society that has the separation of church and state (unlike Islamic countries). These are moral issues for the church, and unfortunately for them the government has ruled against them (the church). It's well known that churches are losing followers and losing ground. The pope is the guest of honor; there's no need to rub his nose in the fact that they've lost yet more ground.

    I'm an atheist but for me this isn't a moral or political issue; it's merely one of being a proper host.
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    Sep 18, 2015 9:54 PM GMT
    Many people might feel uncomfortable at the prospect of attending a Vatican reception and being surrounded almost exclusively by catholic bishops and cardinals. If you choose to accept an invitation to someone's "house", you must be prepared to take the other guests as you find them. Provided they don't start lobbing the canapes at you, what's the problem?
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 19, 2015 12:03 AM GMT
    KUDOS to Obama for standing up for LGBT people yet again!
    Why should our president enable the pope's bigotry? As gay Americans, WE HELPED PAY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE, and every event that happens there. If the pope is so offended by the mere presence of gay people, he should stay in his bigoted little palace in Rome.
    The pope should open his mind and be willing to talk to the minorities his church persecutes. Maybe he will discover that they are people too?
    Far-fetched fantasy, I know. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 19, 2015 2:15 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidMany people might feel uncomfortable at the prospect of attending a Vatican reception and being surrounded almost exclusively by catholic bishops and cardinals. If you choose to accept an invitation to someone's "house", you must be prepared to take the other guests as you find them. Provided they don't start lobbing the canapes at you, what's the problem?


    The difference is is that the reception is being hosted by the White House specifically for the pope's visit to the US with the pope as the guest of honor. It would just as improper and a slap in the face for the pope to decline the invitation as much as it is for the WH to turn it into an opportunity to make a political statement. Now, if this was a reception for Planned Parenthood, the pope would be well within his right to politely decline the invitation.
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    Sep 19, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidMany people might feel uncomfortable at the prospect of attending a Vatican reception and being surrounded almost exclusively by catholic bishops and cardinals. If you choose to accept an invitation to someone's "house", you must be prepared to take the other guests as you find them. Provided they don't start lobbing the canapes at you, what's the problem?


    The difference is is that the reception is being hosted by the White House specifically for the pope's visit to the US with the pope as the guest of honor. It would just as improper and a slap in the face for the pope to decline the invitation as much as it is for the WH to turn it into an opportunity to make a political statement. Now, if this was a reception for Planned Parenthood, the pope would be well within his right to politely decline the invitation.


    Surely the White House guest list ought to be a reflection of the US as, among other things, a progressive and inclusive Western liberal democracy. - "This is our country and these are its people." Especially so, when the influential head of a somewhat bigoted religious organisation is the guest of honour.

    If the Vatican doesn't like it, tough.
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    Sep 19, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
    My neo-Nazi example may have been a bit over the top; maybe this one will make more sense.

    Suppose you're throwing a birthday party for a friend or relative. You happen to be friends with their ex and your friend or relative cheated on them so they were the one in the wrong in the divorce. Would you invite their ex to this birthday party? Of course not.

    Obama is the head of state for the US; it's his job to meet with other dignitaries and heads of state, and to treat them graciously, not to use the meeting for some sort of political game.

    There are a lot of Catholics in the US so the president can't just ignore the Pope. By inviting these people who make the Pope uncomfortable Obama is merely winning points with those on the left who will always vote Democrat. He's not doing anything to help win votes from or improve the opinion of those in the middle, who are the ones that really count in any election.
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    Sep 19, 2015 7:21 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidBy inviting these people who make the Pope uncomfortable Obama is merely winning points with those on the left who will always vote Democrat.


    Isn't the Pope "the earthly representative of Christ"? Jesus didn't feel "uncomfortable" around anyone and neither should the Pope.
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    Sep 19, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
    Considering that President Obama himself holds positions that are contrary to the Catholic Churches doctrine, it would be logical for the Pope not to visit the White House at all if merely having a difference of opinion meant so much.

    I could understand there being any issue if people who are clearly anti-Catholic had been invited, but that is not the case here.
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    Sep 19, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
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    Lumpyoatmeal saidBy inviting these people who make the Pope uncomfortable Obama is merely winning points with those on the left who will always vote Democrat.
    Isn't the Pope "the earthly representative of Christ"? Jesus didn't feel "uncomfortable" around anyone and neither should the Pope.

    Weak.
  • tj85016

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    Sep 19, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
    I think Lumpyoatmeal should be invited so he can perform a mass exorcism
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    Sep 20, 2015 12:27 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidI think Lumpyoatmeal should be invited so he can perform a mass exorcism

    Burning the evil ones at the stake would be more entertaining, and traditional.
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    Sep 20, 2015 1:47 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan said
    Ex_Mil8 saidMany people might feel uncomfortable at the prospect of attending a Vatican reception and being surrounded almost exclusively by catholic bishops and cardinals. If you choose to accept an invitation to someone's "house", you must be prepared to take the other guests as you find them. Provided they don't start lobbing the canapes at you, what's the problem?


    The difference is is that the reception is being hosted by the White House specifically for the pope's visit to the US with the pope as the guest of honor. It would just as improper and a slap in the face for the pope to decline the invitation as much as it is for the WH to turn it into an opportunity to make a political statement. Now, if this was a reception for Planned Parenthood, the pope would be well within his right to politely decline the invitation.


    Surely the White House guest list ought to be a reflection of the US as, among other things, a progressive and inclusive Western liberal democracy. - "This is our country and these are its people." Especially so, when the influential head of a somewhat bigoted religious organisation is the guest of honour.

    If the Vatican doesn't like it, tough.


    Hahahahaha. Nice try. As if the guest list of any WH reception is a reflection of the US. The US is rife with the unemployed, mental cases, drug addicts homeless, etc. who are living on the streets of cities across the US. I doubt a single one will get an invite to the WH as an example of "this is our country, and these are our people."

    In fact, people would be outraged if the Vatican hosted a reception for Obama and flew over hundreds of American homeless drug addicts, mental patients, and other marginalized members of American society to attend the banquet. And demonstrate to the world how the US treats the least of its brothers.
    They would say it was a slap in the face of the president and the American people. Although, that is exactly what Jesus would do. After all "Isn't the Pope "the earthly representative of Christ"?"
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    Sep 20, 2015 2:38 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThey would say it was a slap in the face of the president and the American people.

    And Jesus said, "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also."

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_the_other_cheek